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Post - Election Day Open Thread - Obama Wins; The Ron Paul Factor; Nullification in WA + CO;

Please contribute your news, observations and insights below:

Well everyone, this is IT! Election day. Did you vote? Was it crowded? What did you see / hear / observe? Please post your news, updates and insights below. If there is a specific issue you'd like to address, please feel free to start a new thread, but first check to see that it hasn't been posted already.

Thank you everyone, for everything.

Michael

Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48
Rasmussen has Romney at 49%, Obama trailing by 1, and 2% for everybody else (Libertarian, Green, etc.)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obam... h/t Drudge

Poll: Dead heat in battleground states
Politico/GW University poll shows 47% apiece for Romney and Obama in the battleground states. Interestingly, Romney grabs independents at 47 percent to 32 percent, a change from 2008 when Obama was strong with independents.

A failure to break 50% usually means trouble for the incumbent, but this race could go any which way.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83380.html h/t Drudge

First Results from NH: Tie
Continuing with the tie theme, the first results from the first town to vote in NH, Dixville-Notch: President Obama 5, Gov. Romney, Virgil Goode 0, Gary Johnson 0.

This is the first time that Dixville-Notch has voted a tie; is this a harbinger of things to come?

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/06/could-a-tiny-new-hampshi...

Third Parties: A Waste of Time?
Libertarian professor Randy Barnett says in the WSJ that third parties are a waste in the first-past-the-post system. Rather, libertarians should work to move the two existing parties toward liberty views.

Meanwhile, the Libertarian and Constitution parties have earned enough votes in past elections in Missouri to register candidates on par with the GOP and the Democrats. Third-party votes could reach 6% in Missouri this year.

What effect do you think third-party votes have on the election(s) this year?

Ron Paul: Best-Of Compilation
Here's best-of compilation of Ron Paul videos as we face this election that doesn't feature him on even a Congressional ballot for the first time in a long time: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL712F9B27550BCB07

Obama Predicted to Win Ohio
CBS News is predicting Obama will win Ohio. Without Ohio, it makes it very difficult for Romney to win.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57546123/obama-projected...

Obama Wins Battleground States
NBC News reports Obama winning in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Iowa. The GOP failed to take over the Senate, with a 50-50 tie being broken by Vice President Joe Biden.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/06/14976592-oba...

Third Parties Poll 1.5%, Could Decide Election
Third parties are polling 1.5% in Ohio, and could decide the election. Caveat: Johnson is polling 0.9%. Added to Romney's 48.6%, it still doesn't match Obama's 49.8%.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/18382/third-party-candidat...

Liberty Candidate Kerry Bentivolio Wins in Michigan
Preliminary results put Bentivolio (R, MI) US House candidate over the top.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/11/kerry_be...

Ron Paul Republican Justin Amash Stays
Liberty Republican Justin Amash keeps his US house seat in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20121106/NEWS01/3...

Anti-Obamacare Propositions Mostly Pass
Thinkprogress whines about anti-Obamacare propositions on the ballot on Election Day: "Wyoming’s Amendment A, Florida’s Amendment 1, Alabama’s Amendment 6, and Montana’s Measure LR-122 would all prohibit state residents and employers from being forced to purchase insurance or participate in any externally-imposed health care system.

In Missouri, Proposition E seeks to prevent the state from instituting its own health insurance exchange."

Wyoming Amendment A passes
http://www.kulr8.com/news/wyoming/177592381.html
Ballotopedia link

Florida Amendment 1 fails to get 60%, getting only 48%
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/florida-constitutional-am...
Ballotopeida link

Alabama Amendment 6 passes
http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2012/11/amendment_2_approved...
Ballotopedia link

Montana Measure LR-122 passes 176,456 for and 92,020 against
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/viewart/20121106/NEWS01/311...
Ballotopedia link

Missouri Proposition E passes with 62%
http://www.kcur.org/post/missouri-voters-pass-proposition-e
Ballotopedia link

Ron Paul NH Chairman Andy Sanburn Wins
Andy Sanburn (R) wins another term to the NH Senate. He scraped past Lee Nyquist with 15,435 votes to Nyquist's 15,225, requiring a recount. Sanburn has been a key liberty ally in the first primary state.
http://bedford-nh.patch.com/articles/recap-recount-likley-be...




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I told you so.

Let the conspiracy theories

Let the conspiracy theories begin! Blah, blah, blah ..... The neocons lost period. Thank God. BTW: the neocons are dying off -- Florida is a good example of that with the GOP loss.

Be great if it's true

But they still have control of the party and did we just show them that neither preaching economics with Romney nor embracing the libertarian vote with get them anywhere?

The numbers show that the

The numbers show that the Libertarian vote does not apply. It's the non voters and the independents...which RP could have garnered but we don't have the proof to show them.

Malarky...

I don't buy the "official results" for a second. While I'm aware that there are a whole lot of Obama sheeple out there, I think a more accurate and realistic vote count announcement should look like this: Obama:12%, Johnson:10%, Ron Paul write-in:9%, Romney:8%, Jill Stein:5%, and American citizens who didn't vote:56% This is is allowing for an error margin of +-2%.

Participate in America's future- Research Ron Paul- Truth will Prevail! You too, will be proud one day, to be able to say: "I was a Ron Paul supporter."

BTW

If the MSM can just randomly make up election results and call them facts, why can't we?

Participate in America's future- Research Ron Paul- Truth will Prevail! You too, will be proud one day, to be able to say: "I was a Ron Paul supporter."

2010 vs. 2012

Remember 2010? The GOP got huge victories due to the Tea Party voters.

But the neocons gave a big middle finger to anyone wanting to cut government.

And then they get smashed in 2012.

First, this is a GOOD thing. It shows that there is still a large number of Americans who want smaller government and they are not fooled by the big government spenders, regardless what label they use.

Second, we should constantly remind Republican voters that their party has been taken over by neocons, that neocons are actually socialists and not conservatives, and that they will continue to lose, lose, lose as long as they allow neocons to control the party.

GOP nominates yet another big government liberal -- and get what they deserve.

well said.

we got what we deserved

dave anderson

Math Check..

So... Obummer got 59.9 million votes, Rumney got 57.7 million votes.
Thats 117.6 million votes. I don't know how many were for the other
Parties, so let just say 1 million.

US population is roughly 314 million, with probably only of voting age
around 250 million.

This is roughly 1 out of every 2 people voted. Highly unlikely to me...

Please check me on this.

Ron Paul 20_ _!

Sorry, the numbers are a little off

The link below is a little outdated, but you get the idea.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_eligible_voters_are_regis...

How many eligible voters are registered to vote in the United States?

About 150 million. There are 207,643,594 eligible voters in the U.S. The census bureau estimates as of July have the US total population at 303,824,640. As of the 2006 general election the Voting Age Population (all adults) was 225,964,346 whereas the Voter Eligible Population (adults - ineligible people like felons or non-citizens) was 207,643,594.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

Cool Thanks!

for the info.

Reformation preferred

I had really no hope in this election since watching the end of a long primary process. By process I'm referring to many entities involved such as RP, DP, the media, the caucuses and the types of people involved in all of these.

I have no hope in the electorate as is. We The People of this once great and prosperous country behaved with deception and obliquation to achieve positions of power. To me it was blatant, flagrant and too common for there to be integrity in the selected candidate's claim to power. The victor's followers appeared as a rancorous mob as they mocked those, even in the same party, who sought fairness in the process. It reminded me of the attitudes of the people who lived in Vanity Fair as depicted in the book Pilgrims Progress. The people were filled with hatred, no idea of justice, no compassion for those who sought after proper order and fairness in our electoral process. The care for the fellow citizen or dare I say brother or sister who has been wronged or oppressed has fallen from our society. Where has that attitude of disdain of tyrants gone? Where is that desire of right and freedom?

If we do not return to what is virtuous, we will all become a nation of people with hearts filled with ressentiment (no I didn't misspell resentment). The nation will not survive with this in the heart.

Ressentiment defined here. http://old-aldy.xanga.com/769246612/putting-my-finger-on-the...

For America, I've always preferred the idea of reformation of the hearts and behavior rather than the violent revolution of a government. The minds of the people will not be changed without first changing their hearts. This begins at home with the Father teaching the children, Father does mean author. What are you planning for your spouse and children? We have a generation of freedom haters. Let us recover by writing better ideas in the hearts of our next generation. This is how freedom is handed down. Freedom can't be sprayed on, rubbed into the skin, or hung on the body it has to be taught and planted in the heart and mind. True freedom doesn't come without Christ in the heart. The last few generations have failed at this for many reasons.

For those of us who loved the Republican, or Democrat candidates...

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

For those of us here who deny that God and a saving faith in Christ is needed in the hearts of a people, "Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants." - Benjamin Franklin

Have a blessed day.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

Stock Market Melting Down

Stock market down and looks like it is likely to continue to drop.

- Higher taxes in January.
- More economic uncertainty.
- More government spending, with a takeover of medicine.
- Not to mention further destruction of fundamental rights.

Not that "The Other Obama" would have been any better.

OTOH -- more printing of money will eventually lift the market, until it doesn't. For now and through the end of 2012, look for selling before taxes go higher.

The stock market always sells

The stock market always sells off after a presidential election because part of the uncertainty is gone. Remember, traders make money on both sides of a trade. Don't imagine for one second that the performance of the overall stock market is the final word on whether or not people are making money.

It starts.

It starts.

It takes a tyrant...

... abusing federal powers to motivate the people to Nullify against the Federal government.

Mitt's slightly less big government policies might have strung things out further and given the Dems the chance to say that Mitt's solutions, which won't fix anything anyway, are the reason why things aren't yet fixed in 2016.

Let Obama keep doing what he is doing. It will make the inevitable get here faster. It's like tearing off a band-aid.

Yep! There were only a couple

Yep! There were only a couple advantages I saw in Obama. One, we'll go down faster which will be a HUGE wake-up call to Americans once the pain hits. I'd rather do it now, take responsibility for the mess, than leave it to my child. We do have some people who will scream for the government to help them; similar to when Hitler was accepted. But there are enough libertarian types now I think that maybe others will listen (I'm praying anyway). The other thing I saw positive in Obama (if you can call it that) was standing down on attacking Iran when Netanyahu was whining only a couple months ago. I don't know if he was using wisdom to stand down or only holding out until the "time is right" such as economic meltdown. Someone even suggested maybe he started reading some of Dr. Paul's books and possibly understanding. I highly doubt it but one can only hope. If he truly meant to undermine the Constitution by becoming a "Constitutional scholar", maybe he read Ron Paul writings to undermine him too but changed his mind! Yeah! Well, again, one can only hope. sigh

They will still blame the rich and capitalism to justify more

socialism. You can count on that.

I wonder if these numbers are genuine.

Here is a Youtube from the Judge Judy show in October in which the results of the general election are posted and Romney loses to Obama by just over 2 million votes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgYTw06Te1Q&feature=g-all-c

That would be about the number of votes taken away from Romney by Ron Paul. Of course this was in October so once again the election was rigged as we suspected it would be. I thought they had chosen Romney but I was wrong thank goodness and Obama has been given another four years to preside over the Fall of the Republic.

This is a "good" result for the rEVOLution. It means that in 2016 there can be another kick at the can. Maybe in the next four year the grip of the oligarchy can be weakened and liberty may triumph.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

You POS!!! Wanting the fall of our Republic makes you an

enemy of this nation. Go move to Russia you bitch.

You POS!!! Wanting the fall of our Republic makes you an

enemy of this nation. Go move to Russia you bitch.

* "That would be about the number of votes taken away

from Romney by Ron Paul." Gingrich warned Romney about the consequences of dissing and cheating, but he would not listen. I wasn't for either to win, just hoped for real gridlock. Alas and alack, even gridlock will not repeal the evil laws that have been passed under this Occupant's rule.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Bittersweet

This is certainly bittersweet. I had been thinking about comparing RP primary votes and GJ election votes in various contested states to Romney's margin of loss. Thanks to Canada4RonPaul who did it for us here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/original?value_op=%3E%3D&voteval%5B...

The obvious potential flaw in this logic being that it does not adjust for RP primary voters who bit the bullet and voted for Romney. That said, I would bet that at least 50% of RP's primary voters - and if I had to estimate based on my unscientific sampling of friends and known RP supporters, I would say closer to three quarters - did not vote for Mitt Romney. It looks like this would have been pretty close. That said, the GOP will never admit that. The pundits will not address it in all of their limitless analytic wisdom. Frankly, it does us no good either way, and the fairly overwhelming success of Obama proves the terrible state of affairs of this country (not that Romney would have been any better, but at least he dressed in freedom-loving clothes most of the time).

The silver lining that I take from these results is the fact that the likelihood of the crash happening on a central-planner's watch has increased tremendously. Obama will now have eight years to implement his agenda on us. My money says things will get very ugly during his next four. At that point, the future of freedom and humanity will likely depend on how Americans respond.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

Ron Paul Romney supporters

I have come across quite a few people both in my home state of Indiana and my current state of Missouri who voted for Paul in the primary, but they are not actually committed to the cause of liberty--just tea party types who are not crazy about war and don't blindly follow the Limbaughs and Hannitys. They voted Romney in the general. I think they are a bigger piece of the pie than most people realize. They just don't visit message boards like the Daily Paul and register their opinion to us.

Stop celebrating as if we won

Stop celebrating as if we won the election! we did not win. Come on now people...we really do not want this thing hanging on our backs. Things are about to get real bad.
Yes, we were right. We told them Ron Paul or 4 more years of Obama. They, lied, cheated, and stole then they lost. But re electing Obama is far from any accomplishment I want to claim.

Nobody on here is celebrating Obama's victory

but you can't deny it was a good thing that Romney lost. All shadenfreude and Ron Paul vindication aside, we know Romney would not have cut spending. This makes Obama a tiny, eetsy bit better, since he is less warhawk-ish and less influenced by the crazies that want to bomb Iran. And we all know the number one libertarian issue is peace.

EDIT: Also, when the economy tanks, at least it will now not be blamed on the free market philosophy.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

I agree absolutely. I always

I agree absolutely. I always said...4 years or 8? When the economy tanks under the dems it will be our chance to rebuild. The people will beg for a President Paul. But the celebrating needs to stop today. I do not want to take credit for this. Let the blood be on the hands of the GOP.

with either one . . .

suffering--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--