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Post - Election Day Open Thread - Obama Wins; The Ron Paul Factor; Nullification in WA + CO;

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Well everyone, this is IT! Election day. Did you vote? Was it crowded? What did you see / hear / observe? Please post your news, updates and insights below. If there is a specific issue you'd like to address, please feel free to start a new thread, but first check to see that it hasn't been posted already.

Thank you everyone, for everything.


Poll: Romney 49, Obama 48
Rasmussen has Romney at 49%, Obama trailing by 1, and 2% for everybody else (Libertarian, Green, etc.)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obam... h/t Drudge

Poll: Dead heat in battleground states
Politico/GW University poll shows 47% apiece for Romney and Obama in the battleground states. Interestingly, Romney grabs independents at 47 percent to 32 percent, a change from 2008 when Obama was strong with independents.

A failure to break 50% usually means trouble for the incumbent, but this race could go any which way.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83380.html h/t Drudge

First Results from NH: Tie
Continuing with the tie theme, the first results from the first town to vote in NH, Dixville-Notch: President Obama 5, Gov. Romney, Virgil Goode 0, Gary Johnson 0.

This is the first time that Dixville-Notch has voted a tie; is this a harbinger of things to come?


Third Parties: A Waste of Time?
Libertarian professor Randy Barnett says in the WSJ that third parties are a waste in the first-past-the-post system. Rather, libertarians should work to move the two existing parties toward liberty views.

Meanwhile, the Libertarian and Constitution parties have earned enough votes in past elections in Missouri to register candidates on par with the GOP and the Democrats. Third-party votes could reach 6% in Missouri this year.

What effect do you think third-party votes have on the election(s) this year?

Ron Paul: Best-Of Compilation
Here's best-of compilation of Ron Paul videos as we face this election that doesn't feature him on even a Congressional ballot for the first time in a long time: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL712F9B27550BCB07

Obama Predicted to Win Ohio
CBS News is predicting Obama will win Ohio. Without Ohio, it makes it very difficult for Romney to win.

Obama Wins Battleground States
NBC News reports Obama winning in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Iowa. The GOP failed to take over the Senate, with a 50-50 tie being broken by Vice President Joe Biden.

Third Parties Poll 1.5%, Could Decide Election
Third parties are polling 1.5% in Ohio, and could decide the election. Caveat: Johnson is polling 0.9%. Added to Romney's 48.6%, it still doesn't match Obama's 49.8%.

Liberty Candidate Kerry Bentivolio Wins in Michigan
Preliminary results put Bentivolio (R, MI) US House candidate over the top.

Ron Paul Republican Justin Amash Stays
Liberty Republican Justin Amash keeps his US house seat in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Anti-Obamacare Propositions Mostly Pass
Thinkprogress whines about anti-Obamacare propositions on the ballot on Election Day: "Wyoming’s Amendment A, Florida’s Amendment 1, Alabama’s Amendment 6, and Montana’s Measure LR-122 would all prohibit state residents and employers from being forced to purchase insurance or participate in any externally-imposed health care system.

In Missouri, Proposition E seeks to prevent the state from instituting its own health insurance exchange."

Wyoming Amendment A passes
Ballotopedia link

Florida Amendment 1 fails to get 60%, getting only 48%
Ballotopeida link

Alabama Amendment 6 passes
Ballotopedia link

Montana Measure LR-122 passes 176,456 for and 92,020 against
Ballotopedia link

Missouri Proposition E passes with 62%
Ballotopedia link

Ron Paul NH Chairman Andy Sanburn Wins
Andy Sanburn (R) wins another term to the NH Senate. He scraped past Lee Nyquist with 15,435 votes to Nyquist's 15,225, requiring a recount. Sanburn has been a key liberty ally in the first primary state.

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Okay to show you how sick our country is

Roseanne Barr came in 5th with 36,435 votes. You can't make this stuff up.


of course no Ron Paul listed.

My guess is we will never

My guess is we will never know. They don't want to encourage us.

Have you ever checked out

Have you ever checked out Rosanne Barrs platform? I heard her on a show once and I kind of liked her. She's pissed.

Bad on RKBA, though -

last time I checked, anyway.



My bad...

"Right to keep and bear arms"

Oh...I did not know that

Oh...I did not know that about her. Guess I never looked into her too much as I never considered her a serious candidate.

I haven't checked recently

maybe she's reformed (somehow, I doubt it).

The Peace and Freedom Party has been around since the
Sixties, but this is the first time since the Seventies that
they've done much of anything outside California.

Still, they've got about 60,000 registered voters in California
whereas the Libertarian Party has less than 300,000 nationwide.

Have to love GJ and Judge Gray racking up over a million votes,
though - a big and appropriate f___y___ to Romney and the neocons...

The LP party can thank ROn

The LP party can thank ROn Paul for that one.

Indeed -

they can (or should, anyway)

John Goodman could have really cleaned up!!!

or imagine if Leonardo DiCaprio was running(justin bieber's not old enough yet)!!!!


She is beating Rocky Anderson!

What sickens me even more is...

The fact that 112 million people voted for either Mitt Romney or Barack Obama.

according to who?

I don't trust the electronic voting/reporting

Lessons from Ross Perot

I got to thinking about Ross Perot. The last time there were 3 candidates in a presidential debate was 1992: Bush, Clinton, and Perot.

In 1992, Perot was LEADING in the polls with nearly 40% of the vote in June. But in July, there was all sorts of turmoil within his campaign. Someone within his campaign was accused of being a CIA Bush-backed plant, intent on sabbotaging the Perot campaign from the inside (sound familiar???).

That same month, Perot -- leading in the national polls, mind you -- DROPPED OUT of the race. He first said the Republicans (aka Bush) were threatening his daughter (sound familiar ???).

Problem was, he didn't have any hard proof to offer. He just dropped out and a lot of people thought he was nutty.

And then ... he dropped back in. He re-announced he would run and he used his own money to run TV ads (infomercials). These were VERY popular.

By October, he was back up enough in the polls to get in the debates. With just a month to go before election, with being in the debates and running his own informercials on TV, he went from under 10% in the polls in early October to getting 19% of the vote on election day.

If he had run a real campaign, and not dropped out, he could have won.

Not that that would have been a GOOD thing. He WAS nuts, as far has some of his ideas were concerned (such as random house-to-house searches "just to see" if anybody has drugs).

But the POINT here is ...

(1) Media attention, in whatever form -- as long as it is not negative bashing (like Ron Paul gets) -- is a KEY to winning elections.
(2) Money is the other key.

There are A LOT of people who are fed up with the corrupt political system -- have been for years. But they continue to vote for Dumb and Dumber (or Corrupt and Corrupter) because they buy into the bull that there are only two choices, and they NEVER see any other choices in the media.

This applies to any political office, not just the president. Actually, I think the state offices might be a better route to go -- focus on candidates who will enforce the 10th Amendment from the state legislatures.

But when it comes to presidential elections, are there any wealthy libertarians out there who might be interested in running for office?

Romney made it as far as he did for one reason and one reason only: he has money, and he used it to fund PACs and other organizations to buy good media backing.

Just some random thoughts on a crazy night ...

I've been thinking about

I've been thinking about using strategically placed Title 47, Part 15 unlicensed low-power transmitters in conjunction with billboards. These transmitters are very low power and absolutely require height to perform cleanly for a radius of ~ .5 mile. * A few of these transmitters should cover any moderately sized city. The billboards can state the AM frequencies used along with other brief information. Use the billboards as a method of exposure and the AM transmitters as a method of response and elaboration. I'm almost willing to wager on the effectiveness of this approach compared to a normally run campaign for a FRACTION of the cost. Sure, every city would need several dedicated volunteers to site and operate the transmitters to broadcast rebuttal information relayed to the local network. Maybe this concept sounds nutty and amateurish, but I think it would work after the initial shock and awe. ;)

* Any height more than ~ 1' above the earth requires NO RF ground or an elevated counterpoise.

I don't know anything about this topic.

Let's say you wanted to broadcast to a city that has a population of 50,000 people.

How many towers, transmitters, offices would you need?

How much would the infrastructure cost to put up?

Is there any government regulation at all?

How would you staff the talk show hosts, the support staff, and how much would it cost?

Could you solicit advertisers for the "station?"

Any problem with the broadcast frequency encroaching on a "normal" station and them taking action?

Sounds interesting.

Visit www.part15.us for more

Visit www.part15.us for more information. Most of the information is quite technical but I have a thread here which generalizes some of it. Currently, disregard the DRM portions:


If one uses I A.M. Radio's gear at ~ $500 per installation, you'd probably need at least 5 installations at a cost of $2500 for the equipment. Understand that these TX are very low power and DEMAND excellent locations which naturally include height above surrounding terrain. Each TX could be located in an individual's home as the units are small. The antenna is simply a monopole (fiberglass whip) about 9' in height so it MUST be hoisted into the air for clean reception. However, hoisting the antenna into the air brings some limitations with it, e.g. no PHYSICAL ground if more than ~ 1' above the earth. Yes, regulation is covered under Title 47, Part 15.219 specifically. See the website, www.part15.us for more information. Any staffing would likely be technically oriented volunteers so costs associated with personnel would be minimal. For regional campaigns, some computer link would be required to coordinate information before it could be broadcast locally on the MW (AM) band. It is legal to solicit advertisers for your station. Finally, under Part 15 rules, the broadcaster must not interfere with a licensed, i.e. "normal", station. Simply scanning your area for AM broadcasters with a receiver should identify any local broadcasters for you to avoid. Furthermore, as an unlicensed Part 15 broadcaster, you must be willing to accept interference. Therefore, any publication of AM frequencies should include several alternate frequencies, e.g. 520, 1650, 1690 ... up to 1710 KHz in case of transient interference. Naturally, your station will only use one frequency at a time.

what I remember is the

what I remember is the bilderberg got together, and after the meeting Ross was gone for a bit and came back.

Same as Ron Paul after bilderberg this year, remember?

I did not know that ...

... but it is not surprising.

I suspect that the newsletters were part of the Ron Paul disappearing act.

The GOP rejected its life

The GOP rejected its life boat, and instead wrapped its arms around another big government loving neocon anchor full of nothing but superficial platitudes, and they wonder why sank once again to the bottom.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl


Obama deserved to win. They elected a crazy guy as their candidate. Romney is a liberal one year and a conservative the next. The American people are not imbeciles!

No time to waste!

We need to work hard over the next 2 and 4 years to get things rolling for liberty candidates, which includes money bombs, since the GOP will only withhold funds. We also need to spend the next 2 years making calls and spreading the word of liberty! If we can be both financially and strategically prepared for the next elections, I believe we can be more successful. I believe we should either start a Liberty party, or join ranks with the Libertarian Party, but I tend to lean toward the Liberty Party. Of course, we can always choose to change the party from within, which will be a challenge as well.

If you wanted to win...

If you wanted to win the presidency, you should have taken the threats from Obama more seriously, and taken Ron Paul more seriously. Ron Paul had serious issues that he would have brought to the table during the general election, and he had the power to rally the base and bring almost every self-identified independent voter over to him. It is absolutely ridiculous that the man was relegated to giving advice and talking points to the news media during the course of his campaign.

So as much as it is a victory for Obama, who really cares? The Republican Party refuses to change with the times. You've got a nutcase Congressman claiming that rape is God's will. When these clowns in Washington with their 7-11% approval rating get their act together, and stop blocking every single piece of legislation for 4 years, maybe you'll see a Republican president.

When they start addressing who has financial control of this country, and start running on a platform of campaign finance reform again, maybe you'll see some activity. Now let's see you run against someone who isn't even running for office in 4 years... all of a sudden you'll discover that you're running against your constituents.

If the Republicans don't shape up they're going to start losing seats in the house in 2 years, and it will be a well deserved smack upside the head from the American people. It's not like NO ONE noticed what the House has been doing for the last 2 years -- i.e. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The 2 year filibuster cost you the presidency. It's as simple as that. The mission was never to improve the country. It was to cut taxes by 15-20% on the top 1% of income earners and "make Barack Obama a 1 term president" with absolutely no original thinking or ideas to campaign on themselves.

Start by kicking the goddamn lobbyists out of your offices you greedy bastards.

What are you talking about?

The House of Representatives has been trying to get something done for the past two years but, couldn't because the worst president in U.S. history and his party of government wouldn't work with them.


The speaker of the House met with the President ONE TIME during a golf game. That hardly shows me any leadership from either side. Why did House Republicans block the job repatriation bill? The Bring Jobs Home Act. http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-spread-despair-block...

Because they do not have a pro-US agenda. They have a pro-whoever-is-giving-them-money agenda. I have no love loss for Obama, either, but at least you know what you're getting. Saying that he is unresponsive to the House is ridiculous. It's not his job to call the Speaker of the House every day and ask him to do him favors. We have a separation of powers for a reason. The president executes the laws. If Congress can't pass any, it's because they are incompetent.

I didn't check, but, I'm willing

towilling to bet Ron Paul was one of the Republicans in he House that blocked that repatriation bill.


It is a protectionist bill, but at this point, there are some areas where the outsourcing of jobs has gotten criminally out of control. I write criminally on moral and ethical grounds. We seem to be past the point of no return on repatriation if we do not encourage it through the tax code. Trying to legally stop it with tariffs and so forth will be even a worse move... As we move towards the financial point of no return, God help us all. Seriously. :(

J.Bush vs H.Clinton

J.Bush vs H.Clinton 2016..something to look forward to.

The real disappointment is the dismal support given to GJ and JS, and other liberty candidates in general. Makes you wonder how many really support the liberty philosophy.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

I would not consider Jill

I would not consider Jill Stein a "liberty candidate".