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California Proposition 37 failed to pass.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

YES: 3,402,151; 46.1%

NO: 3,974,122; 53.9%

I guess people in California think ignorance is bliss for GMO "food"...



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You are talking about

You are talking about spending, not about taxation.

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Exactly my point..I was talking about sales tax then YOU brought

up the rest lol.

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Ah, OK, I see. But what is

Ah, OK, I see. But what is your point? NH has no state sales tax, but it does have income and corporate taxes. It still collects a lot of revenue relative to its GDP relative to other states.

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They're actually working on doing away with property tax and a

number of other taxes. Taxes from individuals are not necessary. The Constitution deals with taxes for the government in Constitutional ways. We could have everything we have now with not a drop of income tax from anyone but those avenues... government spending is the biggest tax of all and it needs to be brought down. Not just cut.

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Florida income tax is 0

Sales tax is only 6%.

Two things:1) Florida is a

Florida had GDP of 754 billion in 2010. They had revenue of 61 billion. That is a tax rate:GDP of ~8.1 percent.

By comparison, California had GDP of 1.9 trillion with revenues of 133 billion. That is 7 percent.

Texas is very similar to California; GDP of 1.3 trillion with revenues of 70 billion. This is 5.4 percent. They don't have an income tax, but a quick look at their books show that they have unusually high selective taxes, "other taxes", and taxes on interest income.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Welll they either got a deficit or they have yet to break

the massive tax hike to us. We are still at 6 percent sales tax state wide with occasional counties or cities adding on a half percent or so.

I believe that in 2010 they

I believe that in 2010 they had a mild deficit. Sales tax revenue is about 3.9% of GDP. They also have many other sources of income (like tobacco tax, corporate income tax, MV licenses, "other" taxes, income from tuitions, 6 billion from unspecified areas, etc.).

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

The state income tax will go from 10% to 13%

for high earners-the highest rate in the nation. It is not reasonable.
You have to look at the nasty conditions the schools are in-more money isn't going to help those schools, it will just redistribute the money to teachers.

Taxation is theft. Increasing taxes is grand larceny!

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Yeah, but California allows

Yeah, but California allows so many deductibles and exemptions...

I've never believed in this mumbo jumbo of taxation is theft. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't work. Move out of the state; move out of the country. Renounce your citizenship. Options upon options.

California is the most economically powerful state in the nation. It has a highly trained workforce, booming industries, a good social safety net, and people generally enjoy a very high standard of living. The government plays a part in that, and it needs to be funded.

Now, I don't know much about CA's budget. I am 99% sure there are things they could cut from the budget to balance it instead of taxing it. But without question taxes need to exist.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

"The government plays a part in that and it needs to be funded"

Shouldn't you be posting that left wing socialist drivel on the daily kos instead of the daily Paul?

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All I am saying is that If

All I am saying is that If Californians want to have government, they have to pay for it.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Why can't the government be voluntary?

We have volunteer fire departments.

That said, I'm not against government on a very very small scale with extremely limited abilities.. We passed that 100 years ago.. People have paid enough.

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Is someone forcing you to

Is someone forcing you to stay in the USA? To keep your citizenship? Maybe you should sue your parents for making you a Us citizen against your will!

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

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No but that's really irrelevant.

. I will say this though.. If you don't like what we're trying to do, you can leave anytime. I, however, plan to stay and fight.

Technically though, yes, they are.. I cannot leave without getting the permission of the government. They actually believe, as it is evident through their policies, that I belong to them.

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Actually yes

If you want to leave the country and renounce your citizenship you have to pay an exit tax on all your assets .
If you decide just to leave you are still subject to pay us taxes on any foreign earned income

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When I worked outside of the

When I worked outside of the US I did not have to pay taxes on any foreign earned income as long as I paid foreign taxes. Anecdotal, to be fair, but still true.

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Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

The concept of statists is "only government"

And the statist schools teach that nonsense

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Define "government"

If it means paying increasing amounts more for "education" that gets worse every year, then certainly we don't need to continue to fund that government failure

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I know little about the

I know little about the quality of CA education. I do know that it's university system is the envy of the world...and it produces a workforce that attracts businesses to the state like bees to honey. It provides the research infrastructure that led to the Silicon Valley...etc., etc.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Lol and that is why silicon valley firms have to raid India

For engineerrs as there are not enough qualified American born ones

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Yeah, because the supply of

Yeah, because the supply of qualified students has gone down while demand has skyrocketed. Can you imagine the talent gap without what these schools are generating?

Would you like to be like Alabama or Florida?

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

The supply of "qualified" students is the issue

The California state schools spit out an endless stream of mindless graduates burdened with government guaranteed loans
Even with these large number of graduates most of them are unqualified to do real engineering work having been fed a daily diet of socialist keynsian politically correct palaver.
Thus silicon valley firms need to get engineering workers from India
And you think we should still raise taxes to pay to have as many kids as possible to be indoctrinated with Marxist ideology and to learn no marketable skills other than union leader or community organizer?

Btw private schools work no need to have public ally funded state colleges

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Keep in mind that the

Keep in mind that the unemployment rate is only 3% for people with a degree from a UC...so I think their skills are fairly marketable.

How the hell does socialist keynesian politically correct palaver have to do with engineering? Engineering isn't economics.

Yeah, silicon valley firms get IIT (public school) trained engineers from India.

I think, Californians have to think. The private sector solution to this problem is to bring in immigrants/move the company to the areas where the talent is available. If Californians want to change that, what are they going to do?

Another example; look at a nation like France or Germany. Their population growth is a real problem; there is going to be a labor shortage (there already has been). The solution so far has been for companies to leave, or bring in immigrants. The people of Germany and France hate this. They don't want immigrants. So what did they do? They gave taxpayer incentives to have kids, to boost population, to keep the ethnic population they prefer.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

The us kids take the mindless liberal arts programs

And not the more rigorous engineering courses so they I'll equipped to do engineering work
That 3pct number you provided sounds made up

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BLS;

BLS; nationwide:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

3.8%

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

California's unemployment rate is higher than the national

Average
10.2 pct according to your beloved BLS vs 7.9 pct nationwide

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&...

And the bls counts underemployed and part time workers as "employed" and it doesn count those that have given up work living in their parents' basements.
The official BLS under e,ployment rate in Kalifornia is nearly 20pct-yes, a fine job those schools are doing boosting the economy!

http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm

California public colleges are not turning out graduates with engineering skills they a re turning out mind mush

It does not justify a 13 pct tax rate no matter how you slice it

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How does that logically

How does that logically follow?

Just because Californians are on the whole more unemployed vs. the rest of America, doesn't mean that Californian college graduates are more unemployed vs. the rest of America/rest of college graduates.

Your second point about the BLS is also irrelevant to this discussion, since we are talking in relative terms.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

California:Higher Taxes/Higher Unemployment

Texas: Lower Taxes/Lower Unemployment
As Archie Bunker would say: Case Closed

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How stupid do you have to be?

How stupid do you have to be? And you are quoting Archie Bunker?

Correlation does not equal causation, first of all. And one data point is not a correlation. For example, Mass. has lower unemployment than Texas with twice the taxes. Hell, North Dakota has 3% unemployment with one of the higest tax rates in the nation.

Another example, historically California has had high taxes (as you say) and fantastic employment...similar if not better than the unemployment in Texas.

You piqued my interest, so I did the following study.

The correlation between tax revenue and unemployment is practically zero...meaning that there is no correlation. Here is the data. This is total revenue (state AND local) - insurance income and federal contributions, for 2010.:

State Unemployment % Tax Revenue to GDP
Alabama 8.3 15.9%
North Dakota 3 23.3%
Nebraska 3.9 13.2%
South Dakota 4.4 14.5%
Iowa 5.2 14.9%
Oklahoma 5.2 13.7%
Utah 5.4 12.2%
Vermont 5.4 10.8%
Wyoming 5.4 16.0%
Hawaii 5.7 12.5%
New Hampshire 5.7 16.3%
Minnesota 5.8 13.4%
Kansas 5.9 12.0%
Virginia 5.9 14.1%
Montana 6.1 14.3%
New Mexico 6.4 15.2%
Massachusetts 6.5 14.2%
Delaware 6.8 11.8%
Texas 6.8 15.7%
Maryland 6.9 13.1%
Missouri 6.9 13.4%
Louisiana 7 15.9%
Ohio 7 13.9%
Arkansas 7.1 16.9%
Idaho 7.1 12.6%
Wisconsin 7.3 15.2%
Alaska 7.5 16.5%
Maine 7.6 12.3%
West Virginia 7.6 12.9%
Colorado 8 14.5%
Arizona 8.2 15.0%
Indiana 8.2 17.3%
Pennsylvania 8.2 12.9%
Tennessee 8.3 14.5%
Kentucky 8.4 14.6%
Washington 8.5 14.0%
Florida 8.7 15.9%
Oregon 8.7 14.3%
Illinois 8.8 14.4%
Connecticut 8.9 17.8%
New York 8.9 11.3%
Georgia 9 14.4%
South Carolina 9.1 11.5%
Mississippi 9.2 13.6%
Michigan 9.3 17.4%
North Carolina 9.6 12.0%
New Jersey 9.8 14.1%
California 10.2 16.6%
Rhode Island 10.5 14.9%
Nevada 11.8 17.0%

If you just look at state revenue, you get a very mildly negative correlation, which implies that as revenues go up, unemployment goes down. However, just looking at state revenue ignores the potential damage of local taxations on the state.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a