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The Ron Paul Factor - Definitive Results - OMG It's True!

2012 Election Results – The Ron Paul Factor

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I simply make the case that our Ron Paul Primary voters, if they held true and did not vote for Romney and the fake GOP in the General Election, we would have been the deciding factor in 4 key states: New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

The final General Election numbers which were released on CNN.com compared the the Primary Election numbers released on CNN.com. RP voters would have taken 64 Electoral College votes from Obama and given them to Romney.

The GOPs active campaign to lie, cheat, steal and purposefully disenfranchise liberty voters ultimately cost them the election.

My goal was to draw a distinction, not make 'multiplier' affect assumptions based on where votes might have went. I simply don't know these metrics and guess what.... neither does anyone else.

Here are the straight numbers:

Row 1: States that Obama Won in the General Election
Row 2: Ron Paul Primary Votes Results
Row 3: Obama vs. Romney General Election Results
Row 4: The Ron Paul Factor
Row 5: State Electoral College Votes

Iowa | 26,036 | 88,629 D+ | No | 6
New Hampshire | 56,848 | 33,746 D+ | YES | 4
Florida | 117,100 | 46,039 D+ | YES | 29
Nevada | 6,175 | 66,379 D+ | No | 6
Colorado | 7,713 | 69,517 D+ | No | 9
Minnesota | 13,023 | 225,213 D+ | No | 10
Maine | 1,996 | 90,969 D+ | No | 4
Michigan | 115,956 | 346,376 D+ | No | 16
Washington | 12,594 | 239,950 D+ | No | 12
Massachusetts | 35,219 | 698,021 D+ | No | 11
Ohio | 113,256 | 100,763 D+ | YES | 18
Vermont | 15,391 | 101,335 D+ | No | 3
Virginia | 107,451 | 106,726 D+ | YES | 13
Illinois | 85,747 | 825,506 D+ | No | 20
DC | 621 | 204,995 D+ | No | 3
Maryland | 23,609 | 586,258 D+ | No | 10
Wisconsin | 87,858 | 201,702 D+ | No | 10
Connecticut | 8,032 | 229,145 D+ | No | 7
Delaware | 3,017 | 77,071 D+ | No | 3
New York | 27,699 | 1,640,969 D+| No | 29
Pennsylvania | 106,148 | 283,694 D+ | No | 20
Rhode Island | 3,473 | 116,169 D+ | No | 4
Oregon | 36,810 | 132,554 D+ | No | 7
California | 199,246 | 1,403,172 D+| No| 55
New Jersey | 24,017 | 559,398 D+ | No | 14
New Mexico | 9,363 | 78,596 D+ | No | 5
Hawaii | 1,712 | 183,596 D+ | No | 4

The Ron Paul Factor Electoral Votes: New Hampshire (4), Florida (29), Ohio (18), Virginia (13) = 64

Obama Total Electoral Votes: 303 (Minus 64 = 239)
Romney Total Electoral Votes: 206 (Plus 64 = 270)

THE LIBERTY VOTE WOULD HAVE WON THE PRESIDENCY FOR ROMNEY!



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It was suspicious that they buried Rubio

When the hispanic population increased 46% over the last 10 years. The whole thing was designed to fail and baked in the cake a long time ago. I mean seriously... Was it like genius's sitting around and saying: Hey we know! Let's put a pasty white guy there to run who is symbol of what's wrong with America! Yeah, that's the ticket! One that is the 1% and who has been looting the people dry and offshoring jobs while America falls into decay! That'll work! We know that only 40 people will show up for his events. That will work!

Jeb Bush = death of the GOP.

Willard OWNED THE VOTING MACHINES and still lost. Jeb Bush would have no chance.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Silly willard, thinking he

Silly willard, thinking he co-opted the Ron Paul movement through rand and benton only to be outdone by obama co-opting his movement through the neocons and rove. WILLARD WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO LOSE, the voting machines just made sure it was close enough for long enough until the end to discourage republicans in general.

does this mean if a legitimate count was made that RP supporters would not have been the difference? no, it would have been more than enough.

The only plan here is to let Obama crash the economy and further soften the ME until they can come back full on boner in 2016 with whoever the GOP candidate is (probably Jeb). By then social conservatism's back will have been broken, allowing RINOs to do pretty much whatever the hell they want. And the dummy Randites will let them.

Disagree


The pundits are already talking about Jeb Bush as "the guy" in the GOP who can appeal to Latinos, and change the demographics back in favor of the Republicans, i.e. the savior of the GOP.

You also have to remember George W. Bush should have had no chance in hell back in 2000. Back then, unemployment was at 3%, we had balanced budgets, relative peace (compared to the last 12 years), and zero logic or reason to go back to the failed model of trickle-down "Reaganomics" for the wealthy -- which drove up the debt in the first place.

Yet Bush made the Election close enough for them to steal it right in the light of day. Why? Because the Bush's are a brand name. The U.S. Media and the Republican Establishment have sheltered them from their criminal record, and given them a free pass, and made them "royalty" in this Country. And because they hyped-up Bush as the "guy that you wanted to have a beer with" (ignoring his record, and complete lack of competence).

And just look what happened after Bush presided over the worst attack ever made on this Country, and created an unnecessary clusterfu*ck of a War in Iraq based on demonstrable lies, and drove-up the debt and created record budget deficits, and was found guilty of Human Torture programs (Hitler-esque) .....all of which should have driven him from office in shame? It didn't matter: Bush still won re-election again in 2004 anyway.

You see the problem? It doesn't matter what these guys do. Just like Dick Cheney can shoot a man in the face, and not go to Jail.

The Bush's have mastered CIA criminal BlackOps techniques that include theft of Elections better than anyone else has before or since. They stole two elections in 2000 and 2004, and also murdered Senator Paul Wellstone. The can turn on The Network more completely and better than anyone else -- which assures that the impossible happens, and that the false becomes the reality, or a losing hand is made to appear as a winning hand. They also own the U.S. Supreme Court and U.S. Justice Dept. in a way that nobody else does.

Romney is a powerless serf in comparison to the Bush Family. This is the family that is responsible for so many things: Kennedy Assasination, Iran-Hostage, October Surprise, Iran-Contra, Banking Scandals, False Flag Ops, 9/11, Wars, Human Torture, and Stolen Elections.

Anytime that Jeb Bush wants, the GOP Nomination is all his...no matter who else is in the race (and anyone else will be pressured to leave, and the sea will be parted to ensure Bush wins).

Winning the general election is just a Black Op for these people.

Beware....

Let's make Sure

This never happens. It is time for the facists Bushes, Rove and the neocons disappear from the U.S. Political scene!

Well, sure, there are a lot of variables,

but you can't cover every possible situation. The fact is, the GOP dished on Ron Paul and we all became bitter towards the GOP. I myself, voted for Johnson. I couldn't stand the thought of voting for either Obama or Mittens. Politics is all about building coalitions. The GOP treated Ron Paul as if he had leprosy. As for variables, look at the results on the chart for Florida. Ron Paul polled enough votes to have swayed the outcome there AND he didn't even step foot in Florida to campaign!!!!! What if he had????

alan laney

Actually there are a number of variables...

...that makes this analysis misleading. As was pointed out below, your chart assumes that NONE of the Ron Paul primary voters voted for Romney; obviously not true.

On the other hand it omits potentially more important factors.

How many Ron Paul Republicans who could have actively campaigned for Romney but instead just voted for him, sat out the election/voted 3rd party, voted for Obama, or even actively campaigned AGAINST him?

The multiplier effect of a political activist is something that almost no one can quantify.

But one thing everyone acknowledges is that the Ron Paul Republicans are some of the most ardent campaign volunteers.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

See my update in my original post.

You're right, but your comments deserve a much deeper analysis which I implore you to spend time determining to the closest standard deviation.

Your analysis would require tremendous resources and time to acquire even semi-accurate results.

I simply make the case that the RON PAUL vote, if none of our Primary voters cast a ballot for Mittens in the General Election, then we would have been the deciding factor in 4 key States: New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

Good luck to your pursuit of the deeper ramifications.

Mittens and the broken GOP lost for many reasons. This is just another example.

C4RP

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Watch this dry yet astonishing Dr. Robert Beck cancer treatment lecture on Google Video - search "Suppressed Medical Discovery" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk

Your reasoning is based on an unproven assumption:

That everyone who voted for Ron Paul in the primaries did *not* vote for Mitt Romney in the general election.

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George Dance

Robbing Ron Paul
http://www.nolanchart.com/article9813-robbing-ron-paul.html

Yes, you're right.

I thought I could help answer a basic question many here at the DP may be interested in seeing some hard data on.

Please see my response to the comment above.

Kindly,

C4RP

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Was thinking the same

Was thinking the same thing... Thanks for saying that.

What Ron Paul proved was that the GOP could get hispanics, moderates, independents, and women. Someone needs to pull that research together.

Yeah...it also does not take into consideration

the votes that gary johnson won though, so that would help the liberty factor...so we will never know...it is possible that there was a liberty factor maybe not technically a ron paul factor,but really they are so similar.

The Gary Johnson Factor

So as I was pulling data from the Primaries, not all of the information (vote totals) were available for Gary Johnson, and often his totals were too minute to make any type of difference. ie. a few hundred votes or a few thousand in the each State during the Republican Primary.

I did not include Gary Johnson in the General Election votes as those were likely RP voters from the Primary and Gary Johnsons totals were not general available for the General Election.

Most Kindly,

C4RP

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Watch this dry yet astonishing Dr. Robert Beck cancer treatment lecture on Google Video - search "Suppressed Medical Discovery" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk

measure your johnson

gary johnson numbers available here:
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/president/us
click 'show all candidates'

where he did better than average:
NM 3.5 MT 2.9 AK 2.5 WY 2.2 ME 2.0 IN 1.9

Operation "Told You So!"

Everybody needs to print off the all telling chart and fax it in to every GOP office they can think of, State, local and National. I see no reason we shouldn't rub their noses in it, kind of like the treatment they dished out to Ron Paul.

alan laney

Wait at least a day

We'll seem more classy that way.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

An incredible blunder by the GOP.

Not to make nice with Ron Paul. IF, they had recognized the Ron Paul factor and made just one little concession, such as "We will Audit the Federal Reserve", and embraced Ron Paul for his patriotism, the dumb ass GOP would have their boy in office. But no! They did everything they could to distance themselves from the throngs of Ron Paul people. How'd that work out, GOP? The GOP leadership is really lame.

alan laney

karma is a bitch

karma is a bitch

Establishment says its Alienation of Latinos and Women

Don't expect the media to appreciate our role in Romney's defeat. They are already talking incessantly about the GOP's branding problem with Latinos and women!

6 months ago Doug Wead said we were over 30% of GOP vote block

Doug Wead spokesman for the Ron Paul campaign stated on MSNBC I believe it was the we were over 30%+ of the GOP voting block. That was prior to a boatload of huge rallys all across the country that the media gives squat for coverage. Thats 9+ million votes percentage wise. We do have the numbers to control election outcomes. Now all we have to do is eliminate electronic voting machines. We have 2 years to do it.

Eat it Mittens/GOP/RNC cheating operatives.

They were warned in February and that went all over the net.
http://www.dailypaul.com/215856/the-ron-paul-supporters-creed

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

That is the deciding factor.

The electronic voting machines and the counting of the votes altogether must be overseen and independently verified. Unless this is done there will never be a possibility of winning. This as you say must be priority one.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

oh well . . .

and now our neo-conservative family and friends can blame us for Obama--

:/

I made my choice; I wrote in Ron Paul.

I guess the backlash is coming--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Yep. Thanksgiving will be

Yep. Thanksgiving will be interesting in my family too :)

Southern Agrarian

I want

I want them to blame us. Then we can explain WHY they have to blame us.

They can shift and move. We don't. Eventually they shift our way. "If they can't beat em, they join em."

Eric Hoffer

I agree with you Eric Hoffer

Great comment. I'm proud to have written in Ron Paul.

Laurelai

Tell em they're done without us.

Tell them they should have listened to the Libertarians rather than cheated us.

Tell them their games and their party are over without us, and if they want to be Socialists, go be Democrats. We'll replace them with people who want liberty.

Awesome

Awesome

Southern Agrarian

Interesting - Thanks!

I was watching last night to see if it would come down to Florida and whether the Gary Johnson votes would have changed the outcome. It did not, but even so, I'm sure there were many Dems who would have voted for Dr. Paul vs. Obama had he been the nominee.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

You're welcome JO. When I

You're welcome JO.

When I was making the final tallies I didn't know what to expect because there were huge vote totals in some states that Ron definitely didn't affect. I the end there were 4 close States and these accumulated to 64 Electoral College votes. It was incredible to come to this realization, late last night, and know that the GOP made their decision to lose this election a long time ago.

C4RP

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Watch this dry yet astonishing Dr. Robert Beck cancer treatment lecture on Google Video - search "Suppressed Medical Discovery" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk

Not all Ron Paul supporters voted for Johnson. Maybe 33-50%

The Libertarian Party from what I have seen here is a waste of time. From a purely strategic point of view taking over the Republican Party with the platform put together by Dr. Paul in its entirety would win the general election in 2016. This would be after the economic meltdown and the war that is sure to happen in the next four years. people will be ready to listen to the truth by then one hopes.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)