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Ron Paul Cost FLORIDA for Mitt Romney

The Ron Paul / Gary Johnson / Virgil Goode votes of 46,000 in Florida cost Romney the state of Florida.

Maybe since the Republican Convention was in Tampa Florida the people of Florida were more attuned to the blatant shenannigans and purposeful disrespect of republicans that supported Ron Paul.

So 46,000 florida people voted for conservatives that cared more about the constitution and liberty than Mitt Romney did.

The Republican party needs to learn that thier big banker fat cat days are numbered and that they need to listen to the rank and file.

(note: this comment is proposing a Theme. There are a lot of other factors that are relavent besides recorded vote count.)

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I live in FL and voted for

I live in FL and voted for GJ. I am very proud to have done so.

Nope. Sorry. Unless you can prove how many voted for

Obama and/or other 3rd party candidates, you can't make the claim.

See: http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/FederalOffices/

Romney has 47,477 votes less than Obama.

Johnson has 43,721

Goode has 2,547

I do see write-in candidates listed, but none of them have any votes. I don't see Ron Paul listed as a write-in.

Even if you give all of Johnson and Goode's votes to Romney, he still doesn't win.

And that doesn't even account for Stein, Barr, and the socialist parties' votes going to Obama.

Romney lost - all on his own.

Obama supporters cost Romney the election.

Obama supporters were more likely to vote for Romney than Paul supporters.

That's brilliant do you have a link to a source?


Romney is a Democrat.

My source is his record.

True but I think the red team and the blue teams supporters

only care about what shirt the candidates wearing now right now kind'a of like a sports team...

I was listening to PBS on

radio last night....at around 11:00 p.m. est, they reported the GJ had 41,000 votes in Florida.

It's More than 46,000 ... Roughly Twice That

Those are the obvious votes (assuming, of course, that all of them would have voted for a constitutionalist Republican like Ron Paul.) There are also an additional 3,800 or so votes for the "Objectivist" (Ayn Rand) Party, whose supporters may or may not have voted for Ron (or someone like him).

And then there are the Ron Paul Revolutionaries and assorted liberty activists who simply didn't vote, but who would have voted our way had they done so. Of course there's no way to actually count these, but we can make a rough estimate. Roughly 100 million Americans cast votes yesterday, but an estimated 90 million simply stayed home. If we assume that the non-voting Ron Paul supporters are average, then there were probably another 40,000 or so Floridians (46,000 x 90%) who might have taken part had the GOP actually given them a reason to do so.

So all in all, I think the number of potential votes is really nearer to 90,000.

How do you know those people

How do you know those people would have voted for Romney and not Obama?How do you know those people would have voted at all?There is no way to prove that.

You're Missing the Point.

It's not that they would have voted for Romney. It's that they in all likelihood would have voted REPUBLICAN had there been a decent constitutionalist like Ron Paul for whom they could have voted.

But you can't really say that

Because then there most definitely would have been people who liked Romney but who would have refused to vote for Paul or another constitutionalist. The effect is ambiguous.

Ron Paul did not...

Ron Paul did not cost Florida for Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney and the corrupt RNC cost Florida for themselves. Are you starting the Ron Paul blame game already?


In this case, "blaming" Ron

In this case, "blaming" Ron Paul is a good thing. it just means his numbers were significant.

I think that there ...

I think that there is a difference between "blaming" Ron Paul and acknowledging the strength and influence that he and his followers present. Maybe this comes from trying to put everything in the context of a sound bite. Using the word "blaming" seems to me to bring a negative or accusing type of inference.


Mitt Romney can blame himself, but

I wouldn't mind sharing the credit. He got what he deserved.

Haha! sucks to be them.

Haha! sucks to be them.

Southern Agrarian

anyone know when/where to find the FL Ron Paul write in #'s?

Will be interesting to see if those alone would have made the difference. I downloaded the FL results which includes some write-in votes by county but of course Ron Paul is not listed. http://enight.elections.myflorida.com/CompareByCounty/?Conte...
click on "data" "download election data" on lower left column

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

I wrote in Baldwin in AZ in 2008

Took at least a month or two before the write-in results showed up on the Secretary of State's website. Maybe sooner and it took me a while to find. It's not like they made it easy....

I was under the impression that

they just throw out your vote, or it does not count if you do the write in option? So I would be surprised if they tallied the "write in's".... which BTW I am in Fl .... and totally did the Ron Paul write in! I just could not escape my purist ways in the end.... LOL

"I don't know if the world is full of smart men bluffing
or imbeciles who mean it."

Keep waiting....

It will be a few days at least.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain


RomneyCare = ObamaCare
Drones = Drones
Debt = Debt
Fiat money = Fiat money
etc = etc

There was no difference between the 2 and when there is no difference it all cancels out and the incumbent wins. Everytime.

Romney was unelectable

The Challenger Has to Give the Voters a REASON to Support Him

It's a basic reality of politics that psychologically, voters are inherently conservative, i.e., they vote for the devil they know rather than the devil they don't.

Consequently, in order to win an election, the challenger has to DISTINGUISH himself from the incumbent to give the voters a reason to vote FOR him.

Romney failed brilliantly at this. You don't defeat Obamacare by offering Romneycare in its place. You don't run a pro-immigration challenger against a pro-immigration incumbent. You don't capture the White House by offering to engage in more of the same foreign policy disasters.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, would have succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams.

The differences between Ron Paul and Barack Obama on foreign policy, fiscal policy, the Federal Reserve, personal liberty and basic economics are so stark that no one could have failed to recognize them.

Everyone I met Loved Ron Paul. Only Neocons did not like him.

As I went door to door campaigning for Ron Paul, everyone desired my success in furthering him, and they knew who he was. GOP you stink. Take that and that. You got what you deserve establishment mean GOP. You ain't Christian. GOP you just think you are Christian. GOP , you spew hate. GOP, you got what you sowed. Plus anyway, President Obama is a Protestant Christian and he goes to church at St John's near the White House with his family. Before that President Obama attended a Church of Christ. Obama is not like his parents , who basically were not Christians. Obama chose to become a Christian on his own. President Obama reads the Christian Daily Thoughts every morning to start the day and be inspired by Scriptural thoughts. President Obama is not a Muslim, though he does love Muslims as individual people.

so you mean..

it was party a**holes and their shenannigans that cost them Florida...


You shall reap what you sow.


Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine