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The Liberty Message is poised for success. But ONLY if we approach others with love and respect

UPDATE: http://www.dailypaul.com/262313/14-million-opportunities

Let me offer some suggestions for what NOT to do today if we want to make progress in the future.

We should NOT be gloating, gleeful, spiteful or generally nasty to our republican friends.

I am not even calling or writing any of my family or friends today because I know that they are ABSOLUTELY, SUICIDALLY DEVASTATED today. The best approach is to leave them alone, sympathize if they call, and try to get them through the darkness.

ONLY THEN will they be open to the message you are trying to spread later.

And I believe that ALLLLLLLL of those Republicans who were Tea Partiers, and were not at ALL happy to have Romney as their nominee will be RIPE FOR THE PICKING later, as they see what compromise got them. They WANT liberty and fiscal responsibility, but in the passion of an election didn't have time or energy to ABSORB the message fully or to "take a chance" on being "different".

NOW they will be searching for answers, and we are ready to guide and teach them, but only if we have not become the SALT IN THEIR WOUNDS.

If you kick a dog while it is down it is VERY unlikely that it will ever trust you again. Today is a day to leave them be, try to sympathize with them if they call you, and be LOVING and RESPECTFUL of just how horrible they feel.

Can we be the Revolution of LOVE, or will we ruin our future chances to grow the message for a few moments of vicious glee.?

UPDATE: http://www.dailypaul.com/262313/14-million-opportunities

Viva la Revolucion

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Maybe they won't be quite so smug

after yesterday. But I'll pray for you! hahahaha

Actually, you're a "better man than I". I have one of those coming to our area in January. We plan to be out of town in order to avoid conflict!

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

I think...

that we really need to take advantage of these next 4 years. We should find 1 or 2 representatives of Liberty and bring them forth in future debates. I know we like the idea of a leaderless revolution, but we have to realize that people identify with personalities, shown by how many people were drawn in to Ron Paul. I'd personally like to see Justin Amash step forward!

Rand Paul / Justin Amash 2016
Continue the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION

IMHO, most people hate and

IMHO, most people hate and fear liberty.

Ah yes be sweet and nice to

Ah yes be sweet and nice to them as we are packed into that boxcar.

THEY MAY HAVE KILLED US. This is not a game. This is like your sibling testing to see if a gun is loaded by dry-firing it at your head. Would you be nice at that moment? Doubt it.

We were nice to them, look where it got us.

We should know every "Paulian" in our districts and states, so we know who to help and protect in the future. For the rest of them, be they brainless masses or your own family who just didn't get a clue, consider them zombies, who are dead and shambling and never to be human again, and write them off. Don't let them on the lifeboat. Let them get what they deserve for the only future liberty has is for good people to be stepping over the bleached bones of these morons.

Very poor analogy

The OP is right. Are we truly a R[EvoL]ution or not? [LovE]

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

Great additude

An eye for an eye! Stupid people should have listened to us! We should all huddle together and shun everyone else...like emperor penguins! Screw the world, we don't need um!

That's a hateful horrible point of view. You can't hate a blind man for walking down the wrong path.

If ignorance is bliss, Washington DC must be heaven.

You don't remember the

You don't remember the insults, the cursing, the sneering. It would be enough to have just dealt with ignorance, but the rank and file LOVED doing it. They relished in it.

They deserve what they get.

Our survival now depends on being a hard target. When it's time for a roundup, someone's gotta say "you and what global army and how much do you want to sacrifice?".

With the plan I see in this thread, it's going to me more like "yeah, they still come to the meetings. Just call the district chair and find out when the need meeting is, and when these (Ron Paul) people show up, arrest them in the parking lot. Take them to the connexes in the nearest abandoned industrial park for processing. Yeah funny how we keep the FEMA camps empty so our trolls can keep telling everybody that the camps are empty and all these disappearances are kooky conspiracy theory".

Keep waving the bumper stickers and founders' quotes and see where it gets you.

The movement wont grow and be EFFECTIVE

if we only sing to the choir.

There are many, many people out there who will come our way once they have purged themselves of the election nightmare and the brainwashing that was involved.

But they wont ever come around if their encounter with a Liberty messenger is one of nasty scorn on their darkest day.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Amen, Elviejo

I have resisted calling any family members, partly because they could use a silence break right now. Some Identificational Repentance may be in order as well. (Especially those of us who stated we would certainly not be voting for Romney). I may just call to say 'I love you' to my less Libertarian family members and leave it at that.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Freedom

I agree with this approach. Dr. Paul always seems to respect the liberty of the individuals and their entitlement to their opinions. Even when people are asking really basic questions he does not get angry, he just responds in a very clear and friendly way.

"If You Want to Gather Honey,

"If You Want to Gather Honey, Don't Kick Over the Beehive"

From Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. I highly recommend this book for its timeless ideas to help liberty win the hearts and minds of people who I believe deep down, want to hear the message, no matter what their current beliefs are.

We CAN inspire people!

I agree,Elvie

I have hope that we who support the cause of liberty ,can succeed even more this way.We have come so far since 2007.I believe we are WINNING.

"approach others with love and respect"

It can be hard, and I personally fail regularly (sorry if I stepped on anybodies toes) but it really is the only way.

As Libertarians, we should know that people are the owners of their own minds, and the only way you can change their mind is to show them something new, something worth changing it.

We have plenty to show them, and like Ron Paul says; they won't be able to un-see or un-hear what we bring to the table.

Truth, love, generosity, productivity.

"Greed" isn't the only factor at play. There are greedy people and there are covetous people. We need to raise ourselves above it, to position ourselves between them and represent justice, to show them how to free themselves and each other.

Translation of "KICK EM TO

Translation of "KICK EM TO THE CURB" does mean to extend foot and place on butt of neocon with force.
My opinion is to be just DONE WITH THEM, GIVE UP, LOST CAUSE

I was once one of them! What convinced me?

Ron Paul's gracious, reasoned approach in 2008, along with my husband's encouraging me to look beyond the 'man' to his ideals.

I found Ron Paul came the closest to the ideals I strive to live by, and actually lived his ideals. (And boldly spoke of their superiority, though remaining gracious to those who disagree --This just confirmed my husband's brilliance, and RP's strength of character.)

This is how we win in the end. Sticking to our principles, while being winsome and gracious, as Ron Paul so often is.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I wonder what you would become?

It's not all a tyrants fault. If you had to listen to people all day, begging you to answer their unjust prayers with government force, YOU'D become a butcher and a slaver too. If not out of necessity, out of disgust.

We as Libertarians should understand better than anybody WHY a Neocon turns into what they become. They need our help as much as anybody else.

I think you will be surprised

if you don't "kick" them today, that SOME will come around later.
No use wasting your energy on those who will not change. But ASSUMING that people are forever wedded to their positions and therefore causing them pain today, may be a counter productive measure.

SOME were simply pulled along by the momentum and were not "on board" YET, and it is THOSE that have possibilities in the future. IF we don't spit in their faces at their worst hour.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Tolerance is a hallmark

Tolerance is a hallmark libertarian value. Those who are sleeping we should try to wake up, but they have a right to choose to stay asleep. If we approach people with respect simply because they are a human being then this movement will grow.

Kick em to the curb. They've

Kick em to the curb. They've had 5 years of exposure to Libertarian ideas, and I think it's obvious: They HATE liberty.
We don't have time for phony overnight conversions.

yeah, it's incredibly hard

Yeah, it's incredibly hard not to get pissed off at my democrat former coworkers as well, as they truck along ignorantly thinking they've achieved something wonderful, bunch of idiots...

We had an awesome, honest, intellectual candidate running for the house here in Illinois, but the morons who voted didn't even watch the debates between the blatant statist democrat woman, loaded with cash and stupid ideas, vie against the young business owner who actually said he'd be willing to work for free and presented real solutions. He actually said that he genuinely just wanted to help fix this corrupt state...and what do the people in Champaign county do? They voted for the mainstream idiot overwhelmingly.

It just gets me so angry that people somehow think that politics can be anything but personal, considering that both left and right are essentially saying to us 'We don't like allowing you to make your own decisions in your life, we think we know better and should force you to comply with our political party', that's what infuriates me...the complete acceptance of dipping into our pockets and our personal lives and saying they're correct in doing so, I don't have much compassion for that.

I can't disagree more!

I think that is the wrong approach. Above all, all these Neocon Sheep Scumbags want is to win - and it obviously doesn't matter what their candidates stand for. So, show them how they could have won. Show them what an intelligent American citizen is - and how they are scum. It is pure tribalism that drives them so push it back in their face.

They are not good people. It is not time to grow the herd -- it is time to cull the herd. And, they obviously have weak minds, so hit them hard. Make them see the folly of the term "electability". Only through pounding them into submission can we change them for the better.

They are people that support the wanton killing of little brown children on a weekly basis, they believe in religious genocide, they are whores to the banksters, they submit to the party elders without even a question, they are beyond undereducated. We are the superior beings, we are the awakened. Forgiveness is the weak position, it assumes that they had good intentions and just got some bad information. NO! They are immoral and knew perfectly well they were just following the tribal leaders. Subconsciously they know they are weak and stupid - Harang them until that comes to the surface.

It is like basic training in the military. You have to tear them down to basics before you can build them into something strong. Most of them, I fear, even your friends and relatives, are beyond hope and should be forced into social seclusion. But, enough should remain to give us the upperhand once we convert them.

Were the British forgiven for the Boston Massacre? "Oh, it was a misunderstanding, sorry". No - it started a war they could not win.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

So is this your take on

awakened ex neo-cons.
"Neocon Sheep Scumbags"

"Show them what an intelligent American citizen is - and how they are scum. It is pure tribalism that drives them so push it back in their face"

I openly have admited that I was once a neo-con. I didn't follow a Tribalisim idea of any type, I honestly felt that supporting the GOP was protecting America from The whole Police the world thing. I served in the Army under Desert Shield and Desert Storm, my Commander in Chief was Clinton. Morale of the Army was at one of it's lowest points. I remember Bush seniors stupid NWO comment, and the growing UN problem. I just didn't know how to change things. Now I do and I have been doing what I could to do so. I don't have the time with this movement that many others have, but my passion is for the Country and the Constitution. I served to protect America for honorable reasons just as I supported the GOP in the past, I thought they represented the same goals, at one point they did. If you feel so strongly that all neo-cons are scumbags, does that apply to me as well? My only fault was not knowing about the Libertarians, or constitutionalist, or even Green Parties. I vaguely remember Ross Perot. Yes I saw the GOP changing and I didn't like it, That doesn't mean I intentionally tried to screw Libertarians or anyone else except for the Democrats I strongly and Passionately have disliked that party since about Carters presidency. I was only interested in fixing America which was quickly going in routes I couldnt fathom. I was trying to keep Personal rights and Liberties over group rights and tyranny, and I won't even start with my feelings about the Thought police.
Before I found that my beliefs are actually more in tune with Libertarians than the weirdly morphed GOP, the biggest turn off was the whole be tolerant of my opinion while I don't have to be tolerant of yours mentality and verbal judo that everyone kept tossing around. Given I never told Democrats or third party people crap like "You cost the vote F-Tard" which seems to be the infantile state of many GOP'ers nowdays, but I'm sure it comes from thier sincere, though very misinformed ideas that they are fighting to save America.
I have seen in the past weeks the same infantile remarks made by many frustrated Daily Paulers.
I am also very sickened that Dr. Paul got screwed by the establishment, and I am just as mad and angry that the supporters for Dr. Paul have been cheated and mistreated by those who still do not realize the fight they are fighting for is actually here with us and not against us. I as a Neo-con (when I was one) was the same person you as a Libertarian or Ron Paul supporter was and are, An American desperately Fighting for my Liberty, and trying to stop our rights from being systematically destroyed.
The majority of rank and file Neo-cons, do not realize they are what you would label a neo-con. They are fighting to protect America, they just haven't realized the GOP changed. They haven't got it that the Establishment is in control, and they don't know that they have been set up to believe that the Democratic party (Thier worst nemesis) is a pre arranged shadow opponent for the elite to blind them with creating fear mongering, by any method possible, convincing them they have to defeat their greatest foe from destroying this Country. They need to see the establishment for what it is, and yes they need to see that there is little difference in the two party system. Yes it is a puppet show, yes many of us get this, we were not born and raised knowing it, we were cultivated to not know this and trained into it, no better than animal obediance training. It is easy for some to see it, others don't want to see it and some won't ever see it.
In a way you are right I guess, The Neo-con sheep scumbags want to win, just like us.
I grew up before computers were an everyday convenience, I am 41. The older members of the Republican party have little if any dealings with computers and many are too old to give a crap to learn now. but the younger ones, raised by parents who convinced them "we have always and will always be Republican, are the ones who will use the great resources available to learn the truth. Them you can teach new tricks. If your anger was pointed at the Establishment and the leadership of the RNC i could swallow your remarks better. You said it yourself the party Elders, the spewers of the new GOP policies of fear and hate mongering are the ones you don't try to help, you are right they know what they do and they do it with intent. But try to back off the other Americans who though they havent realized it yet are desperately fighting for what they belive is as much a just cause as your own.
I rather doubt you have been a so called Neo-con, you do not see the other side as they do. Try to get this fact down, there are levels of Neo-cons, some don't see that they have crossed the line to fit that label. The ones that know are the trainers shoving thier policy of fear and hate.
A lack of political knowledge doesn't make anyone scum, it does make them misinformed, and quite possibly misguided.
It is no longer a matter of just Politics, it is a matter of Establishment and what it is.
That is what most of the body of the Republican party is not understanding, the same goes for the Democratic party.
I seriously doubt that the massive numbers of voters are intentionally trying to piss you off. They are not bad people. They are trained people.
Training can be changed, stop calling them names and stick to using your "Superior Being" self to educate them on the Establishment Maffia.

For the record, I am a fourth generation Veteran, my ancestors fought in all the wars, not because we wanted to destroy anyone or anything, I and my Ancestors did it to serve and defend America. The only America I know it includes every citizen whether I knew them/know them or not. I did it out of Duty and Commitment to everyone here in this Country.

I was a Neo-con, simply because I believed in the same thing you do, It was a party that I voted for, that earned me this label. I have never been a Bad Person, or Scum. I do not consider myself Superior to anyone, and I believe everyone can learn something new everyday.
If not this cause and this movement will be lost and Liberty will die. Dr. Paul does not advocate name calling or Pounding anyone.

I was a Neo-con, I am not any longer, you stand to gain so much more from educating no matter how annoying and mundane it may become, than you do by letting anger control your actions.

I truly hope the Daily Paul will return to it's misson of Liberty now instead of the pettiness i have seen so much of lately. All of you here are better than that and give so much hope to so many looking for the right path.

The first of my ancestors arrived in 1687, Indentured to serve another for 4 years, we fought in the Revolutionary war, Civil war, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and Served during Desert Shield/Storm, Now my Family and I serve The "Revolution"

I agree, unless these people attempt to blame me for

their failures.

At which time, I will unleash upon them a hellstorm of truth, with no mercy for their ignorance or stupidity.

That, or I might just laugh at them to their face.

But I will not allow them to continue to think anyone who didn't vote Romney is at fault without being challenged on it.

I confess and apologize

Through my frustration and anger at how ignorant Americans are, only because they have been indoctrinated by the public fool system and inebriated with too many harmful chemicals to count, I have attacked many on here who simply will not wake up and realize that they are being led around on whatever issue the PTB wish to divide the opposition to tyranny on.

I have used anger as a tool to perform "shock treatment" on people who are thoroughly brainwashed that, for example, voting matters or that it doesn't really matter who is counting the votes.

The insanity of one group of people being able to take the rights away of another group of people incenses me... especially when the people who's rights are violated do not even endorse that system with their vote.

http://www.dailypaul.com/260491/how-to-use-the-forclosure-cr...

Please help me restore the republic and common law. I believe I have a road map pretty well laid out and if the grass roots liberty activists would support that plan it could succeed - easily within two years. This plan has nothing to do with who is president.

On that note - many have told me if I would just find a way to persuade people rather than beat them over the head with my information, I'd have a shot at being president myself. The problem with that is that I do not want to live in a world of American sheeple who are so meek that a couple of words makes them shy away and not believe anything you say because they have a personal dislike for you.

I want to live in the land of the free and the home of the brave. I listen to my sworn enemies (verbally) to pull anything of substance out of their words and see if there's any way to add those ideas to my own. We the people really need to grow up and stop allowing the PTB to lead us around on our emotional leashes.

I volunteer to be your emotional drill sergeant. Do not allow your feelings to be so hurt that it actually demolishes your sense of reason.

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I agree with you 1,000%

And this is EXACTLY how Ron Paul operates.

Love, Class, Education.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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Wholly endorse this position.

My first victory: Old guard republican father has now decided to ditch the establishment and the media. I didn't bash him over the head, he admitted I was right about Romney and I said now we can finally work on holding this country's feet to the fire of liberty. He asked me where to go to get libertarian and freedom information, I told him the Daily Paul, Mises.org, and to follow Tom Woods, Andrew Napolitano and John Stossel.

Agreed but let's start tomorrow

:D

Agree 100%

The questions will come, in time. People learn best when they are actually looking for answers. Most will not be ready today.

This is the hardest approach

This is the hardest approach that goes against human nature, but it is also the ONLY approach that will work in educating people. It's easy to go around wiping salt in the wounds of others, but it takes a strong willed person to take the route elviejo is promoting here.

People who are able to turn the cheek and continue steadfast in their direction are the people that others who can't do so admire. Lead by example, and they will begin to follow.

VOTE THIS THREAD TO THE TOP!

Yes

I needed to read that. I will see my friend later today, a rabid Romney supporter, and I would selfishly love to rub some salt on that wound and gloat a bit. She's a Republican comitteee person and a total Party Hack- straight R voter with no clue about where any of the candidates stand on anything. A lot like the Granger girl that trolls for Romney here on the DP. I bite my tongue a lot. I'm not gonna say a word about it today, just offer condolences. She really has worked hard for the GOP this year. Now is not the best time for me to point out that her efforts have been misguided and wasted.