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Doug Wead: Rand Paul 2016

For Republicans, there is a silver lining to the re-election of Barack Obama. The door is now open for real change in 2016. The recently adopted Romney Rules at the RNC, which would have locked out any true democratic participation and guaranteed eight more years of GOP establishment, top-down, Brahman-style, domination, are now moot. The gate is open...

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Aahhh...no

I'm pretty sure I won't vote for Rand. Thoughts could change, but at this point in time, I don't see it happening.

And, Romney Rules now moot???

Excuse me, Mr. Wead, can you clarify why the Romney Rules are now moot?? Even tho, yes, they won’t be used now to prevent a primary challenger to Romneyin 2016 had he been elected here…won’t they be utilized to help ensure that establishment gets their desired candidate in 2016?! Am I missing something Mr. Wead?!?!?!

Yeah I had the same thoughts.

I think that Doug was thinking that they had been designed to be used by the INCUMBENT GOP president (presumably Romney) to insure a smooth and tightly controlled re-election convention in 2016.

Of course Doug is wrong. The insiders wanted this to quash the grassroots from EVER having a voice at any future RNC.

Doug must not subscribe to the paranoid world view that I do. He seems to think that politicians like Romney (or McCain or Bush) are acting rationally and in the best interest of their own political careers.

He's wrong. They are tools of the Conspiracy and (like McCain's endorsement of the TARP bailouts in 2008 and Romney's handling of the Ron Paul delegates) their actions are so obviously self-destructive to their personal careers that they can only be explained in terms of that Conspiracy.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

No thanks Rand..let's have something more unexpected, new,

creative, fresh, for 2016..3rd party victory, first time that's ever been accomplished (since after the 1800's at least lol) would fit the bill for that.

NO ONE YET for 2016

I think Gary Johnson put it well when he said he didn't even want to go there since folks are ready to barf over 2012 about now.

We really need to get a grip with the knee jerk reactions of wanting to hitch our wagons to people that we are "certain" are friends...

Time will tell and it will be obvious who the leader(s) is/are IF we are quick to listen and slow to speak. Keep your eyes open and go SLOW about hitching up -yes even to Ben Swann!

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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The local church(not a building -a people) is the missing link. The time to build is now.

American Christian...Reality Campaign is Needed

I agree, American Christian, ...100% although some of my reasons may or may not be different than yours.

I am not "anti" anyone at this point. I support all working within the Republican Party for change, but I am "anti" exclusivity. I am for anyone who is a "true" liberty candidate at any level in any party; however, I am against anyone riding on Ron Paul's coat tails, even his son. Rand has to stand on his own merit and actions. I "am" skeptical of all "labels" and "parties" right now in 2012 as they all seem to be in need of defining by re-defining themselves for me to place my "trust" in any.

Doug Wead said much that I agree with...and some things I strongly disagree with. He made it clear that he is on the Rand Paul for President, in four years, Campaign. Even if that turns out to be our only or best choice in 2016, I believe Doug made three strategic errors. 1. Timing 2. Exclusive rather than Inclusive 3. Playing on Ron Paul's devoted followers in an overly flowery manner.

1. The time is ripe to get behind one candidate.

This sequesters the leaps in consciousness that are critical to any movement forward to action only within one, despised at this point, party. This turns off the younger generation which was either apathetic or largely, through misplaced idealism, democratic. It marginalizes those "thinking" younger voters who said "neither R nor D" and turned to the Libertarian Party, sometimes with little scrutiny of the transitions within the LP or the candidate put forth.

2. The time is ripe to embrace the Republican Party.

To me, the time is ripe to let the Republican Party (and all other parties) know that we reject them unless they undergo major changes because we will not again fall for the tricks and empty rhetoric. The "emperors" (whoever they are) or the R's and the D's and the LP's and all others that are and will be have no clothes. I would like to see them in Liberty Wardrobes that I can touch and feel and believe in.

3. Playing on Ron Paul and emotions and the use of "flowery language" to do so.

I can (probably largely due to being a wordy and emotive female) go flowery with the best of them. I might even use "autumn leaves blowing in the wind." However to use words like "embrace and cherish" party poopahs is a stretch for me. A repugnant stretch. I am more interested in how old they are and likely to die and how many will fall by the wayside as they, like the rest of us, have to fight a declining economy. And, finally...I would like nothing better than to see Ron Paul statues in city squares as long as they stood for a champion of liberty, a man with courage. However, to suggest that the only way that might take place is in 2012 to get behind his son bothers me. Rand Paul should not ride his Dad's coat tails and Ron Paul's legacy should not depend on his son becoming President.

I want to see a Reality Campaign. Just one example: Best way to fight foreign intervention IS to appeal to the emotions with the reality of the lies swallowed in order to sway a supposedly moral people to murder their their brothers and sisters. Follow with what a peaceful world would look like and why the powers that be do not want that. Close foreign embassies by exposing the "fact" that they are not what we "think" they are. Follow that with what true cultural exchange and diplomacy would look like and the "good" that could accrue. ETC.

I am done. Thanks for the band-width or whatever it is called Michael.

fonta

No, sorry, but NO to Rand...

No, sorry, but NO to Rand... BEN SWANN 2016!!

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Jeb Bush 2016!

just kidding

How about Paul Wolfowitz?

...Dick Cheney?

...Cass Sunstein?

...the reanimated corpse of FDR?

...that squid-monster from Lord of the Rings?

Wait, no, I got: Honey Boo Boo. Snookie VP.

Campaign slogan: "Why Not?"

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I wouldn't be suprised.

I'm still waiting for them to pull out George. P. Bush...Jeb's half-hispanic son...

http://anoddlittleplace.typepad.com/ellens_nest/2005/02/groo...

They call him "47" - as in the 47th President.

I'm still down to make a Paul the 45th (Cult 45???). If Rand gets the Nomination I'll vote for him (especially if he picks an Amash type VP).

Jack Wagner

Whoever our candidate is in

Whoever our candidate is in 2016 they will need lots of money. We should all put 50 dollars a month into silver and save it for the next election in case there is a candidate that we really like. If a good candidate does not emerge then you still have the silver.

I prefer

Ron Paul 2016

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

As would we all...

...but he's not going to run. I'd bank on that.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

"as would we all"

It's only a day after the eletions. I think it was a big surprise when he ran in 2011, let's wait for them to announce it themselves

But I encourage Dr. Paul to announce everything ASAP. We MUST spread the message of liberty, and ron paul's announcement can be like oil is to our fire.

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

Andrew Napolitano/ Rand Paul

Andrew Napolitano/ Rand Paul 2016!!

This is the real post

Not the one trying to ask for concessions from Rand Paul to "win them back."

The painful truth is, Rand Paul doesn't need all of our hardcore activist votes. He needs the votes of normal folks...

How

did he get elected? If it weren't for his father's supporters sending him money. But I suppose now that he's rolling in the big-time, he'll have cash enough.

This aside

I'm all for someone to run against Mitch McConnell, a Ron Paul Republican has to run against him, Any good Candidates out there in Kentucky?

Michael Nystrom's picture

I'm all set - but good luck

Politicians are a reflection of society. I think Ron Paul demonstrated that well. He was a good reflection of the values expressed here on the Daily Paul, but we were definitely in the minority. We understood him. He resonated with us. But the other 90% of the country couldn't hear his message.

In order to win, Rand is going to have to pander. Because society isn't ready. The elections are a dog & pony show, and he'll have to play that game. I can already see it. It is going to piss a lot of people off.

Like with his senate campaign, the diehard, true believers will be the springboard of the campaign - the energy used for liftoff. That is what this whole post is all about: To try to capture the "momentum." To get all the lost people whipped up in a frenzy. You know the ones I'm talking about. The selfless ones looking for direction, looking for meaning and purpose, and who manage to find it in a political campaign or a movement. The ones who quit their jobs to travel across the country, sleep on couches, and spread the "good word," at great personal cost to themselves. The ones who sell their meager possessions - up to and including their blood - to donate to money bombs "for the greater good." Meanwhile, political operatives behind the scenes rake in six figure salaries.

Once a certain altitude is achieved from the fuel provided by these true believers, and that fuel has been exhausted, that segment will be jettisoned by the campaign. There simply isn't enough money to be milked from those people, and there aren't enough of those types. But they will serve their purpose. And then the campaign will move up to the next stage of wealthier people, and the next, and the next.

These days it takes half a billion dollars to run a presidential campaign. By then it will be even more - maybe a round billion. You don't get that kind of money without tapping the bankers and defense contractors, and the hedge fund managers and let's face it, they expect a return on that money. Compromises are made, because they must be.

We saw what happened to the idealistic young candidate from the left who went to change Washington - Barrack Hussein Obama. And what happened? No change. The forces were to great, and the favors he owed to those who put him in power too heavy. For all his talk about financial reform, Tim Geithner got the post at Treasury. Ben Bernanke got his contract renewed.

This is a well written post. It whips those up who are susceptible into a orgiastic frenzy. The election just ended, but they can't wait to get started! To those I say good luck. You'll get a great education.

Someone asked me what is my solution. Again, politicians are a reflection of society. Change society and you change the leaders they will allow / tolerate. As far as that goes, I can't do anything but offer an example of integrity to those who I interact with. I can change myself. I can't change others. I don't suffer from delusions of grandeur, that one man can wave a magic wand and change the country. The country does not want to be changed. The vast majority of the country likes things just fine the way they are. Didn't yesterday's election prove that?

Start small. Start with yourself. You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

I'll root for Rand, the same way I root for the Patriots each Sunday. But I'm done with moneybombs, and donations to politicians. If someone wants to run the Daily Rand, then it is time for me to move on and make way for someone who is a true believer who can fulfill that role. Whoever that is will do a fine job, I'm sure. Be warned, it is a thankless, difficult, stressful task, and more work than you can ever imagine.

As for me, I'm going back to my farm to till the good earth. Or as Bob Dylan would put it, I'm going back to New York City, I do believe I've had enough!

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

I think

after seeing Jesse Benton get a job with Mitch McConnell that I am going to be very cautious about putting support behind just about anyone, even the DP. Yep. I'm lookin' around with skepticism and even elsewhere, perhaps there will be no second chance since we've gone over the cliff. Only time will tell if we even have that opportunity again...ever. Obama could call a state of emergency and forestall elections until some unknown time because of some ambiguous terrorist attack. We could be so poor that we're eating bugs; it could all be just like it was in 1970, but who's to say what will happen? But you keep up your work, and I'll watch from the distance. It'll be interesting to see just what happens.

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I couldn't agree with you more Michael. Going to be off for a bit myself. Will still drop in from time to time but had a rude awakening over the last few years that has me drawing the exact same conclusions as you. Thank you for putting up with so much headache/nonsense at your site for all these years man.

I couldn't disagree more strongly...

Firstly, your characterization of the "true believers" being exploited by the campaign is off, they do what they do voluntarily, and it serves a purpose, a purpose which they believe in; hence they do it! Kind of like...I don't know...someone spending time and money on the thankless task of running the DP? Do you feel exploited? Or did you contribute to something worthwhile? to call it exploitation is to trivialize everything people sacrificed for the effort.

The rest of what you say sounds to me like a series of excuses and justifications for quitting. No one questions your contributions thus far, nor will they question you if you choose to leave the movement, but is it helpful or hurtful to paint this pessimistic picture? To make it sound like Rand will coldly exploit his supporters, or necessarily sell out to the establishment to win? Do you want to discourage others from participating? Are the odds against us worse or better than they were before 2008, before 2012? If people had taken the attitude evident in this post, would we have even what we have now? No, we wouldn't.

...Do whatever you like, but I am disappointed that the owner of the DP would speak this way.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Michael Nystrom's picture

I don't really care if I disappoint you or not

I don't even know who you are, so that is pretty much irrelevant.

Believe what you want, do what you want - it has nothing to do with me. The only thing I'm trying to do is to get people - the people who are reading this - to think with their God given brains and not go rushing headlong into something based purely on emotion.

Beyond that, do whatever you want, and enjoy it :)

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

And I'm trying...

...to prevent people from falling into irrational defeatism.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Michael Nystrom's picture

People? What people? Who is falling into irrational defeatism?

If you're trying to prevent yourself from that fate, then admit that to yourself and the rest of us. But who are these mythical 'people' that you are trying to save? I haven't seen any evidence of irrational defeatism here.

Sounds like you've got the Atlas Complex - you've got to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders - to hold it up - keep it from falling out of the sky. For if not you - then who? Who will keep these poor people from falling into irrational defeatism?

Again, I would say: Start with yourself. Trying to save anyone who doesn't want to be saved is a fools errand. Yet when they are ready to change, their own transformations will occur effortlessly, and independently.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

"who are these mythical 'people' that you are trying to save?"

The people reading your posts in this thread, the same people you're referencing here:

The only thing I'm trying to do is to get people - the people who are reading this - to think with their God given brains and not go rushing headlong into something based purely on emotion.

You "haven't seen any evidence of irrational defeatism here"? Really? I have, right here:

the diehard, true believers will be the springboard of the campaign - the energy used for liftoff. That is what this whole post is all about: To try to capture the "momentum." To get all the lost people whipped up in a frenzy. You know the ones I'm talking about. The selfless ones looking for direction, looking for meaning and purpose, and who manage to find it in a political campaign or a movement. The ones who quit their jobs to travel across the country, sleep on couches, and spread the "good word," at great personal cost to themselves. The ones who sell their meager possessions - up to and including their blood - to donate to money bombs "for the greater good." Meanwhile, political operatives behind the scenes rake in six figure salaries.

Once a certain altitude is achieved from the fuel provided by these true believers, and that fuel has been exhausted, that segment will be jettisoned by the campaign. There simply isn't enough money to be milked from those people, and there aren't enough of those types. But they will serve their purpose. And then the campaign will move up to the next stage of wealthier people, and the next, and the next.

Translation: Don't volunteer or donate to any liberty candidates, they're just going to use you and throw you away.

In order to win, Rand is going to have to pander....These days it takes half a billion dollars to run a presidential campaign. By then it will be even more - maybe a round billion. You don't get that kind of money without tapping the bankers and defense contractors, and the hedge fund managers and let's face it, they expect a return on that money. Compromises are made, because they must be.

Translation: Political effort is futile because whoever you support will inevitably sell-out.

That's what I call defeatism, and since it's based on incorrect interpretations of the facts, I call it irrational defeatism. What people read influences them, more so if the author is someone they respect. Hence, your posts here have influence, and your posts in this thread IMO have a harmful influence. Hence I criticize what you've said.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

ytc's picture

. . . or you are trying to have Michael N THINK & serve as

YOU want him to. . . to suit YOUR aspirations, wishes & hopes. Good luck and have fun constructing YOUR ideal activists' website, NowOrNever!

My apologies...

...for wanting the Liberty Movement to continue. How dare I.

As for this being Michael's website, yep, it is. In my book he'll always be a good guy, but that doesn't mean he's right, or that he shouldn't be criticized when he's wrong.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Michael Nystrom's picture

What we've got here, is failure to communicate

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Friend, what I suggest you do is practice your political skills. Its not just the big guy on top who needs political skill. Because if this is your strategy to build support, all I can say is ... good luck.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Whatever that means....

The facts are what they are. The posts are here for anyone to read. I said what I needed to say.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."