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Rand Paul is a losing ticket.

Those who support rand are the ones that said Ron Paul had no chance.

Rand Paul chose to support Romney over his own father.

Get a fucking clue people.. If Ron Paul does not run again there is no way his son would be able to rally enough support. He is loved by neocons and hated by many independents and democrats. He cannot be trusted. He will choose party line over principal.

The only liberty canadate that will get support from the liberty movement is someone that voted and supported liberty in 2012. Rand Paul has many years to make up for his betrayal. He will never bring the liberty movement together so why waste time supporting him for president in 2016?? he is a losing ticket.

The only people I see at the moment running and winning in 2016 are.

Ron Paul
Jesse Ventura
Tom Davis
Judge Andrew Napolitano

Anyone who says these guys can't win are those same people that thought Romney could.

Just having these guys nominated would force real change in America winning no matter what.

Ron Paul - Republican

Jesse Ventura - independent

Tom Davis - Republican

Andrew Napolitano - Constitution

Another way to win is to flood the two party system with liberty minded people so do your job and vote.

The only republicans that won had the support of Ron Paul in 2012!



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Really?

All the downvoters on the Granger posts.

I swear some of you just see the name and get pissed off because she called you out for not signing up to be a delegate and get involved.

Get over yourselves. She signed an oath, her vote didn't matter, and she's been damned tireless about attending meetings and trying to bring people in the GOP over to the Liberty side of things.

Not liking someone isn't reason enough to start on the downvote spree. Read the friggin post and think about what's being said.

We all want the same thing here, at least I think I do. Granger has even mentioned support for 3rd parties multiple times and how great it'd be for them to have more influence, but sees the GOP as our only hope of actually materializing the message into results.

Too many of you criticize the small steps and just expect everything to happen overnight. We need a lot of little steps in order to take the big steps. We need people like Rand who will stop giving money to a few countries as a starting place towards getting them to step giving it to all countries. We need the people who will go to local GOP meetings and maybe only sway one or two people a month.

I always hear it from my training buddies, and it's true:

A 10 minute workout will ALWAYS trump talking about a 60 minute workout.

We need results and people willing to take small steps continually in the right direction. We need people who'll actually do work for Liberty.

Eric Hoffer

Utterly

pathetic... Nice to see that you got what you wanted, and it was worth it. Now, the rest of us, must figure out to survive... good luck to you. Obviously you think you won't need it...

I didn't get what I wanted

I joined the GOP to become a national delegate for Ron Paul and along the way I picked up a committee seat, which gave me the opportunity to be Ron Paul's volunteer campaign district leaders, which we did very well, but not good enough to win CA.

How you might survive is figuring out how you can get to a GOP meeting once a month and join us in restoring the Republic WITH RAND.

Allow this Dutchy to paraphrase you on moving Liberty foward

@GeorgeHenry85 -

You said:

"As long as that group agrees to obey the us constitution, that is the whole goal of the liberty movement."

I disagree, here's how I'd rephrase that sentence..
[My 2 (euro)cts, while they still carry some value ;-)]

"As long as government agrees to obey the US Constitution, that is a goal of the Liberty movement."

See my point?

Kind regs from / Amsterdam (clip) /, Holland,
Richard

R3V ON!

You know who could win in

You know who could win in 2016? Not Rand, the GOP will never let him get the nomination because he actually believes in what he says and that's unacceptable to them.

The next GOP presidential candidate will SOUND like Rand. He will use libertarian rhetoric, but he will be an imposter. Rubio maybe, or perhaps Ryan who is already well versed as a libertarian imposter. But not Rand, although he will help to pave the way.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Dr. Paul and Judge Napolitano in 2016.

A Ron Paul/Napolitano ticket would have the best chance.

I think Tom Davis has the

I think Tom Davis has the best chance behind Ron Paul.

Ron Paul would have slammed Obama but the GOP shafted him Tom Davis had Ron Paul's back till the end unlike rand.

Davis talks the liberty message much stronger than most, he has the fire in his belly and won't be playing along to get along.

Tom Davis 2016!!

For a long while there, I thought Ron had a chance,

and I supported Rand and still do. Also, Rand endorsed and campaigned with his father for more than half of the time Ron was campaigning. One thing I dislike almost as much as if not equal to liars, cheats, and thieves are...COLLECTIVISTS, and sadly your post reaks of collectivism.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

Yes I want a group of people

Yes I want a group of people that believe in individual liberty running the show!!

When collectivism is horizontal meaning everyone has their own individual independence there is nothing wrong with that.

As long as that group agrees to obey the us constitution, that is the whole goal of the liberty movement.

What the hell is your understanding of the liberty movement?

You sound like someone that would hate to see the neocons leave the republican party.

Sounds

And you sound like someone who doesn't know what collectivism means and lashed out instead of googling.

Eric Hoffer

I don't like collectivism

in all forms. How do you get the impression that I would hate to see the neocons leave, because I am against collectivism and those who put everyone in the same group with a label because they have a certain view, especially when it is their thoughts regarding an individual? My thoughts on the liberty movement? Sound money, constitutional governance, and a well educated populace, I think that sums it up quite well.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

You're ridiculous

The only people I see at the moment running and winning in 2016 are.

Ron Paul
Jesse Ventura
Tom Davis
Judge Andrew Napolitano

You say Rand is a losing ticket but Jesse Ventura is viable?

http://www.dailypaul.com/262216/jesse-ventura-goes-over-the-...

What would his platform be?

"Stop the Fed, Stop the Wars, Stop our Intergalactic Reptilian Overlords!"

LOLOLOLOL...you obviously have no business predicting who is viable and who isn't.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Don't worry about repitilians.

Al Gore 2016. Manbearpig is real, guys. Excelsior!

Intergalactic Reptilian Overlords!

I was looking for a name for my new band. Thanks!

In Liberty

whoops double post

I was looking for a name for my new band. Thanks!

In Liberty

You sound like a neocon and a

You sound like a neocon and a Romney supporter and one of those people that think 9/11 was orchestrated by 19 suicide Muslims.

Believing that a demonic reptilan force is controlling the worlds events for sadistic desires and fighting against it would get the support of millions of people around the world and in America.

Ron Paul lost because of people like you that could not open your mind to the idea that there is a grass roots campaign much larger than any party in America you closed the book of change by giving us more of the same.

Okaaay

Believing that a demonic reptilan force is controlling the worlds events for sadistic desires and fighting against it would get the support of millions of people around the world and in America.

Have you totally lost your mind? What it would get you is laughed out of the room, and rightfully so.

You sound like a neocon and a Romney supporter and one of those people that think 9/11 was orchestrated by 19 suicide Muslims.

If I don't believe in shape-shifting reptilian aliens controlling the world, therefore I must be a neocon? You're not making much sense pal.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."