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Ron Paul (Not Jesse Benton) Is Ultimately Responsible for His Own Campaign...!

Ron Paul (Not Just Jesse Benton) Backed Down to Romney Threat...! Dr. Paul did not want to fight to the finish when his entire grassroots was ready to fight to the bitter end, win or lose. Dr. Paul (not just Jesse Benton) didn't want to leave it all on the field to give himself a chance to win.

Just telling it like it is.

Submitted by a long-term Ron Paul campaign staffer (2008) and over the top volunteer for Ron Paul in 2012.

Ron Paul (not just Jesse Benton)stood down. And we were left in the lurch. Period. Sorry, that's just the way it is.



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It's important that we all understand this.

This can happen to any of us as well.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

You got bowling balls in your pocket?

That took stones.
Thank you, I believe you are 100% correct. What I saw as an "over the top" volunteer in 2008 made me nearly not return in 2012.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Saying he is responsible as manager for what those he appoints

do is not the same as saying he did it himself, and the huge difference is one of character, and to me, that matters.

Particularly when I was here when we were begging Ron to run and everyone was fine with his just turning all the campaign work over because he had his new committee and didn't particularly seem to want to run.

It turned out to be a mistake, not to make sure those managing mechanics truly shared and APPRECIATED his vision, (if that is what happened) imho, but we all wanted him to run even if he was turning it over, as I recall.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

It doesn't feel good

But I agree with you.

It's ALL on Benton.

Sorry. His ineptitude brought down the campaign. We won the nomination in spite of him, and were cheated out of it because of him. His ineptitude misled Ron into thinking he had no chance, and his contempt for the base was strange and unforgiveable.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Are you a Republican?

I'm getting the impression that those who never joined the GOP, didn't become Republicans, didn't try to become delegates, hoped the Ron Paul would FAIL the GOP nomination so he would run LP, or 3rd, or Indy or make his own party.. these non-Republicans are who blame Benton.

The truth is, it's their own faults for not getting with the Benton program, which Ron agreed to even when his campaign was being run by Kent Snyder in 07.. JOIN THE GOP.

Are you a Republican?

Stop trolling.

Party affiliation has nothing to do with it, since Benton intentionally tried everything to discourage and slow the momentum of Ron's REPUBLICAN DELEGATES.

So much for Benton's strategy of joining the GOP. The real Benton strategy was milking Ron's fame for a personal paycheck, courtesy of the effort and hard work of the base he did nothing but insult.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Hi Pauling: agree with your post but I'm not sure...

... who you are saying "stop trolling" to? Pls explain. Thx!

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Yes. I'm a republican...

I joined my local republican party, became a delegate at the district and state level, ran for state elector, tried to be voted in as a national delegate, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

I also worked simultaneously talking to the chairman of the CP, LP, etc. who were reserving a spot for Dr. Paul IF he wanted it, IF he lost the GOP election, IF he wanted to run simultaneously, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Worked on other contigencies as well, etc. ad nauseum.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

My post was not directed at you ChristsWorldOrder

I KNOW you are a Republican.

Yes. True that Benton screwed the campaign... However...

Ron is in charge of his own campaign and could obviously override anything Benton fed to him. Ron has ultimate responsibility for his own campaign, not his grandson in law.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Ron probably shouldn't have put Benton in charge...

but ultimately, Benton is still responsible for his own words and actions.

I don't play, I commission the league.

OF course Benton is responsible for himself... But...

Dr. Paul is ultimately responsible for his own campaign, even moreso than Benton.

This is NOT an anti-Paul statement. It's just a fact.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Saying he is responsible as a manager is not saying he did it

himself, and the huge difference is one of character, and to me, that matters.

Particularly when I was here when we were begging Ron to run and everyone was fine with his just turning all the campaign work over because he had his new committee and didn't particularly seem to want to run.

It turned out to be a mistake, imho, but we all wanted him to run even if he was turning it over, as I recall.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

Benton did not screw the campaign

Benton did an outstanding job and Ron Paul would agree with me.

Saying that "Benton did an outstanding job" is LAUGHABLE...

... and IF Ron Paul thought Benton did an outstanding job (I doubt that he thought this) then that is something Dr. Paul and the majority of the grassroots (probably 100% of the hardcore grassroots) have a major disagreement about!

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Please people

Learn to accept a little bit of reality or go back to watching Beck and Hannity in FauxWorld.

Now that the election is over

I hope we find out what Doug Wead was referring to when he said that Romney tried to blackmail Dr Paul. That was right when the campaign closed up shop and cancelled scheduled appearances.

The way I saw it

When the campaign reached plurality, they closed down because MSM would not report it. The "grassroots" were tapped out, the moneybombs were not hitting their marks.. RP was drawing thousands of people, but those people were not signing up, registering GOP.. so instead of spening what little money there was battleing the MSM censorship, knowing there is a convention, where we reached plurality, it was time to change tactics, begin focusing on the RNC, and that's what they did.. as the campaign here in CA did not stop, the RP campaign in CA was going full steam ahead, emails, conference calls, support.. as a committee chair, the campaign was very good to me and I never felt abandoned. It seems to me, the ones who felt "show is over" were the Ron Paul fan club (non GOP).

I know Ron Paul (thankfully) and Jesse Benton (unfortunately)...

I've been an insider (inside the 2008 campaign) and an outsider (hardcore grassroots volunteer in 2012 campaign. That's right, we were always outsiders in 2012). It's funny about the negative votes on my submission above because DPers are not usually reality deniers.

Ron made a BIG mistake by having his grandson in charge of the campaign. That was STUPID. Sorry, but it was. And Ron most definitely stood down to Romney when he could have stood up. He made it clear he didn't want to fight the good fight as much as his hardcore constituency.

Yes. Ron Paul has a good legacy. But really wanting to win the election that we all wanted him to fight hard enough to have a chance to win, not so much!

This is NOT an anti-Paul post. It is simply a reality post. It's a good thing to accept reality. It helps us to move forward.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

I can visualize this having

I can visualize this having happened.

Ron is all about the future viability of the liberty movement, and if he thought his personal destruction by the Romney thugs would have threatened the liberty movement he would have dropped out in a NY minute.

But... though this can be visualized, it doesn't mean it actually happened. Sources?

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

The sourc is Doug Wead's statement about Romney threat... and...

Our own individual two eyes about what happened when we were building momentum, large crowds around the nation, etc., even while the campaign began conceding to Romney

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

but Ron always did what the campaign said because he

wasn't interested in that part, that was the deal from the beginning. watch his Texas GOP convention speech the day after the email about not expecting to have enough delegates - hours before Rand endorsed Romney. That speech was not on the same wavelength. He spoke of 1976 being the last real RNC when he was a delegate for Reagan and the delegates actually had an opportunity to vote on the nominee from the floor. He spoke of what he would do as president. The title of his speech, AFTER the media had annointed Romney nominee and after that email was on two topics 'Republicans Uniting, and Balancing the Budget'. He said we shouldn't unite behind bad ideas but should unite behind the Consitution. If you watched just Ron's appearances you had a very different vibe about 'fighting for what we can get' (which is very different than throwing personal attacks) than if you were reading the campaign emails and watching Benton on TV.

I don't know where the disconnect was but I started noticing it in February.

I don't know what happened behind the scene, but the campaign emails aren't at all conclusive to me, given that disconnect.

And the CAMPAIGN seeing a potential Romney media storm as reason to stand down doesn't mean Ron was consulted in that. Ron wouldn't ever push to attack personally other people. I suspect the media team and campaign made those suggestions and all they had to do was not suggest it, with Romney.

I don't KNOW what happened. But Ron personally never made any of the moves that would cause me to doubt him after his long record of being Ron. And we DO know at least one point where staff said Ron said something to get delegates to comply with staff direction, when Ron had never said that -- the delegate call where they were told Ron wouldn't accept nomination from the floor even if delegates could get it for him. Tate had to send out an email the next day saying that was an error, and untrue.

I don't believe in 9/11 truth (just negligence) but I have never objected to those who do believe in it because when you don't have transparency about something people care about, they come up with their own answers. Unfortunately, that applies here, as well.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

Responsbility for the campaign starts at the top...

... with Dr. Paul himself. If the campaign leadership chose to standdown instead of saying "bring it on" to the Romney threat of anti-Paul PR attacks (per Doug Wead's testimony) and this was against Dr. Paul's will, Dr. Paul is STILL responsible for this.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Even IF Dr. Paul was unaware of the stand down to the Romney...

.... anti-Paul PR threat (that Doug Wead explained), Dr. Paul is STILL responsible for this stand down, since it is HIS campaign.

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Link? Because I don't believe it.

I saw (on video) Benton telling Ron that he got him off the debate floor fast because it was 'a mess' when Ron was listing off all the delegates he hadn't seen yet.

I might believe Ron was persuaded, due to his chronic low expectations, that it was over when it wasn't, since he isn't on social media, but that isn't the same as not being willing to fight.

I do remember that FAKE statement by a staffer before the RNC that he wouldn't accept the nomination if he could get it, and it had to be WITHDRAWN by Tate in an email -- and shows there were people in there willing to give fake info 'from Ron Paul' to 'make us do what should be done' in their view.

It will take a lot to convince me this isn't similar, but give us the links and at least give it the old school try, if you are going to throw this out there.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

Understanding the truth helps us

But this one needs corroboration. Who are you again? What is your name and where are you from? Can anyone from the campaign verify this?

Failing that, this has the appearance of a hit-and-run piece. Not saying it is, not saying your report can't be true. If it is true it's something we should know about and understand moving forward.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Are you looking for evidence from Benton, Hunter, or Tate?...

... What do you think you're going to hear from them about this?

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

No hit and run piece here. This should be prima facie truth...

... to anyone who has followed the campaign closely.

The hardest core activists for Ron Paul know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Dr. Paul's commitment to the fight in the final equation did not match ours.

Ron tragically went along with Benton

Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

The Threat. Maybe. Who knows.

We have the illusion of security in a crazy world of psychopaths.
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/10/who-killed-lucia-and-leo-k...