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My Son the Communist

"My stepson is 16. He posted on his FB that he is now a communist. He is just doing it because he knows it pisses me off. I acted like I didn't care and posted the following (below). Then I changed his password. He had no idea I knew his password. It is still there for all his friends to see. He is really pissed off. I took the door off his bedroom. He has no privacy now.

I took all his video games and stuff and set them up in the sun room for his 8 year old sister to use. Instead of giving him his weekly allowance, I split it up between him and his sisters. Then I took him down to Lucky's supermarket and made him apply for a job. They hired him the next day. But I told him he has to bring home his paycheck every Thursday so I can split it up amongst everybody. He is not very happy. His mother is backing me up 100%. His work load is almost unbearable for a 16 year old.

com·mu·nism (kmy-nzm) - NOUN: A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

... Garrett, since you into communism-I will support you. To keep things at home in the spirit of things, all of your possessions are now shared with your sisters. You will now have to share in the workload of chores at home. All of them.

Since your mother and I are Capitalists we are exempt. Since you are the only communist at home, you get to do ALL the chores."

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why the downvotes? this is a REPRINT from another site!

i don't think is katniss's own experience. please correct me katniss if i'm wrong.

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Oh my......do you have children?

I would hardly call the process of teaching a life lesson "brute force". It is a parent's JOB to teach the important lessons of life.
And at 16, this is NORMAL behavior, and requires intelligent and imaginative responses.... which this poster used.

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Better in the household than later in the courts

I think one responsibility of a parent is to show consequences to the children. Consequences that are not as severe as being caged with killers and rapists.

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oh yes I have children....And I've spent their entire childhood

and into their teen years loving, teaching, and training them so that something like this never happens. My parents did the same with all 8 of us kids, and guess what--we've all carried on their faith and values. Once a child hits his teens--it's too late for the use of force to work for anything more than temporary restraint. Like another comment noted--his friends (the ones he sees as loving him) will merely convince him that 'this is not real communism'.

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After doing this for a while,

After doing this for a while, give him a taste of freedom! A paycheck earned is a great argument in it's own right, and getting his stuff back and owning personal property will mean more. Then show him the Federal withholdings on his paystub.

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Also, I had pretty socialist

Also, I had pretty socialist views at his age and only learned better living on my own. Being forced to take responsibility for myself gave me a better appreciation for other people and the money THEY worked for.

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Good lesson.

Good lesson.

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Lol

That's hilarious!!

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tasmlab's picture

Introduce him to Molyneax

He can learn about libertarianism AND escaping abusive parents at the same time.

Since neither of you can enact communism nor capitalism in the world for real, I would recommend keeping the exchange to ideas and debate. Give him examples of freedom, not power.

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Escape Abusive Parents and

run right into the Arms of Communism? Those "abusive" parents were parenting communism real-life so the son that they love can see the difference between communism and a loving family.

IMO the things done were not to punish, but the things done were to show real-time how it is to be treated by criminals who call themselves communists. A "reality show" of sorts.

Do you really think that his step-mother is going to continue a "communist" system at home after her son comes to realize just exactly what communism is all about?

No, I do not agree that she is an abusive parent, but an instructive parent at the cost of her own time and engergy, and sometimes instruction comes from knowing better by experience.

Better have that experience given by a loving parent when it is an experiment than under the control of criminals when it is no longer an experimental experience, but a tyranny from which one cannot extract one’s self.

I do not imagine her son, who is being "gently" instructed will espouse communism as an ideal; unless her son is determined to be in the hierarchy whereby he exercises tyranny over others. Then we can "wish him luck" as he climbs to the top over the dead bodies of his countrymen.

IMO he is getting a lesson in tyranny up-close and personal, and I would imagine at the same time there are some very instructive conversations.

Why are we crying out for Liberty here from sea to shining sea? Is it not because we are experiencing tyranny? IMO, We need to be very careful and alert because when people cry for liberty there are certain wolves who would like to be the “liberators.” Her son NEEDS to know better for his own sake, the sake of all of us who love liberty, as well as for the sake of those who do not know better.

Why is her parenting style being questioned when the real concern needs to be: Why does her son think Communism is a good thing?

Why does any 16 year old in the United States of American think that Communism is an ideal situation? WHO has her son been listening to, and WHY is anyone putting that idea into his head, and for WHAT reason is that idea being put there?

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Humiliation?

That they are teaching him liberty and requiring him to work is superb (a good discipline in any situation) but hijacking the Facebook account and taking his earnings are actions to humiliate and subjugate - hardly building a relationship of respect and mutual value.

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Ahhh

What if they are all having a big party this weekend. All his facebook friends over to the house to celebrate his door being put back on his room and all of his pay and toys being returned to him - and the son as King of the Party crowned so by his step-dad?

I told Katniss, that I think that family needs to report here ASAP in the morning so we can see how they are all feeling about their little SitCom, or Reality Show, or Parenting 101...

It is interesting to me how so many of us have differing perspectives. It gives me something to think about :)

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Thanks for your thoughtful replies

I thought you made some good points. It's hard to tell from the post how interactive and instructive vs. combative the interaction was

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One thing I did notice after interaction on this post

...it seems they are both peeing on each other...a sad state of affairs. Perhaps that is a clue. Your perspectives were interesting as well. Thanks for discussing.

Escape Abusive Parents and

run right into the Arms of Communism? Those "abusive" parents were parenting communism real-life so the son that they love could see the difference between communism and a loving family.

IMO the things done were not to punish, but the things done were to show real-time how it is to be treated by criminals who call themselves communists. A "reality show" of sorts.

Do you really think that his step-mother is going to continue a "communist" system at home after her son comes to realize just exactly what communism is all about?

No, I do not agree that she is an abusive parent, but an instructive parent, and sometimes instruction comes from knowing better by experience.

Better have that experience given by a loving parent when it is an experiment than under the control of criminals when it is no longer an experimental experience, but a tyranny from which one cannot extract one’s self.

I do not imagine her son, who is being "gently" instructed will espouse communism as an ideal; unless her son is determined to be in the hierarchy whereby he exercises tyranny over others. Then we can "wish him luck" as he climbs to the top over the dead bodies of his countrymen.

IMO he is getting a lesson in tyranny up-close and personal, and I would imagine at the same time there are some very instructive conversations.

Why are we crying out for Liberty here from sea to shining sea? Is it not because we are experiencing tyranny? IMO, We need to be very careful and alert because when people cry for liberty there are certain wolves who would like to be the “liberators.” Her son NEEDS to know better for his own sake, the sake of all of us who love liberty, as well as for the sake of those who do not know better.

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yes but i don't believe parents like these are necessarily

loving--see my other comments

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I tend to see it this way

the father, who could be so busy working or hunting or fishing or racing or watching football, etc, etc, etc, could have walked into the 16 year olds room and beat the tar out of him. Smashed his computer, video games, quit giving him an allowance, and told him to get out.

Instead, the father himself, drove the son down to the grocery store and helped him get a job. The father took his own time to take the door off his room...a very personal message that in communism you have no privacy...your room is not even your own.

The father took the time to post and change the FB password leaving a message for this young communists friends to follow. The father could have made up lies about all the boys friends and made them hate him by disinformation as done in Communism, but didn't. However he did make an example out of the boy...as done by Communists.

The father took the time to set up a Communist system in the home and explain to the boy how this communist system would work, and is now having to use his own time to manage this system.

The father did not take away the boy's allowance, he only split it between the rest of the family, as was done with the some of the rest of the boy's stuff, as would be done in communism.

The father is not taking all of the boys paycheck, only spliting it between the family just like in communism, except sometims you don't even get a check after working because there is not enough money to go around...guess they don't print it like we do here...another subject :)

Really, I do not hear punishment in this father's dialog, I hear him working with the boy. Can you imagine the "step-father" is even giving this none-birthed son an allowance. That says to me that he is loved and cherished and is being taught to be responsible for his words and actions...lovingly, not punitively.

he seemed more concerned that the boy was p***ing him off

than anything. I feel like asking, "don't you care that your son's soul is lost--that something you've done or not done as a parent has led him to this path? Stop being so concerned about your pride, and build a relationship. In the teen years, it's too late to think that a mere 'teaching a lesson' is going to do any good"

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Maybe

his concern was that the boy would want to p him off? How do you know the boy is lost?

I can imagine the boy and the rest of the family having a big laugh once this little exercise is complete. I don't know, I guess I just am not seeing the parents the way other are. If I ever had to do something like that in my home, there would be lots of communication involved...much more than what could be shown in a blog spot. I would use the experience as a teaching tool, not to punish.

I guess without talking to any of the parties involved it really is wrong to judge either way. I could be completely wrong about the family atmosphere.

excellent suggestion

Molyneax has a way of reaching the youth that most others can't duplicate.

Plus he is in Canada where he lives out statism / socialism (even worse then our statism) everyday.

Tyrannical parenting indeed.

All despots want to stomp out dissenting ideologies. I can see why your child rebels from your indefatigable authority.

I can't believe this is on the front page. Yesterday DP had the old mean ugly lady up front and center to embarrass her. This place is getting really hateful.

29 up-votes? I guess RP's lessons of live and let live didn't get through to many.

live and let live does not work out practically in a family

situation. if dad is making the money and paying the bills and mom is keeping the home and children---then the children must have some responsibility. without it they will be bored, unfulfilled, and grow up to become bullies; and the family will not be able to function as a healthy unit. that being said--read my other comments on this issue.

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How is requiring someone

to live out the ideologies they espouse equated with "stomping" them out, unless of course the ideology is a good one only until you are actually required to live it. That has always been the problem with communism...explained the right way it can always made to be sound appealing (promoting the "common good", helping the disadvantaged, etc. etc.) that is until you actually try to put it into practice. Sure, the people that are getting something for nothing like it just fine, except in reality the items they are getting for "nothing" are actually provided for and paid for by somebody else. Like "free" healthcare, that is absurd. There is no such thing as "free healthcare"...the doctors, nurses and hospitals are in fact getting paid, but it is coming from someone else who had to actually work to pay them. Many people will claim that socialism is more in line with bible teaching (helping others in need), but that is completely misleading. The bible also states that those who do not work for their food, also will not eat. The bible promotes self accountability on all fronts and in no aspect does it advocate taking by force something which was earned by another and giving it to someone else, I don't care what their need is. Charity, by it's very nature must be done voluntarily, or else it fails to become charity altogether.

Thanks so much for posting this. Your point is well made and it would be great if more parents would take the time to show their children exactly what socialism results in firsthand. I think you would see the number of socialism promoters drop rather quickly.

My concern is more of the stealing of the password,

the public mocking, the authoritarian answer to learning about the best social order, the squashing of the questioning of authority, and the punishment for thinking.

I am not defending communism, socialism, or capitalism. I think the parent needs to learn more about these social orders.

Definitions:
Communism: No private ownership of the means of production nor personal property.
Socialism: No private ownership of the means of production.
Capitalism: No public ownership of anything.

These are merely social orders, not government types. The parent should learn the difference. Acting like a tyrant just because of an age differential is not a good lesson either.

I prefer capitalism. Some don't. The Israeli kibbutz' are communistic societies without the government force. Why should libertarians be concerned if some people want to live like this? Just don't force it on others.

Oh no his legal guardians

Oh no his legal guardians took away his video games and made him get a job! Call the police! Call protective services! CALL the president!

Southern Agrarian

I know

that your post is a joke and it made me chuckle, but then I gave it more thought and what's sad is in reality this kid could go to school, tell a teacher what his father is doing and everything in your comment could become reality.

lol

People have a right to vent. Its a free country. You don't have to read these articles if you don't want to. No one is twisting your arm.

FYI. Parents have a right to teach their kids anyway they so choose. For now at least.

This is not how I would do things, but to each their own.

I did not vote you down, so I

I did not vote you down, so I want you to know that, but I'd like you to read my comment below if you have a chance http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2826420

Very nicely put, Bear.

I know we are all libertarians here. We believe the means of production and personal property should be private. Communists don't. It was not until the Trotsky revolution that the authoritarian vanguard party ideas were combined with communism. I am completely fine with people liking and wanting communism, or a vanguard party with socialism or capitalism. To each his own. Forcing my beliefs on others is antithetical to libertarianism. Communism doesn't work for one reason - motivation. The tyrannical state is the power structures answer to that. It is not what Marx espoused. It is not what communism is about. People chose to live in the Israeli kibbutz. That's their choice. It is not a bad one. It is different from the ideologies of the DPers.

If the child of a communist was learning about libertarianism would a tyrannical response be the answer? Not for me. Everyone needs to learn from their mistakes. The poor kid is trying to use his head. I commend him for it. I would give him some books or offer him some Rothbard free online books, videos, or podcasts. Stealing a child's password, making a fool of him in front of his friends is, well, stealing and mean. Teaching by example is a far better method. Punishing the kid for thinking is disgusting.

I suppose the stealing of the password and mocking him for all to see is what just pisses me off. It is no wonder we live among sheep. Parents nastily punish their children for thinking.

I have a friend

who tries to get me to see the difference between who is using the tool of communism; i.e. if a criminal is using it, the system will be criminal. I have to admit whenever I see the word communism all I can think of are the blood baths associated with Russian, Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese & Cuban style implementation and I fear that style of implementation here. Voluntary communism is one thing. Forced communism is another. Perhaps we do not know all the story of what that boy believed. I do think he is definitely thinking though, about different styles of communism…after all, one might say that living in a family setting is communism on the most simple and generous level.

"I suppose the stealing of the password and mocking him for all to see is what just pisses me off. It is no wonder we live among sheep. Parents nastily punish their children for thinking."

It is funny, I don't come up with the same feelings about that as you do. Perhaps different life experiences? Maybe those friends spend lots of time at that house and it is all a big joke. I don't read anything vindictive or punitive into the story. But I have read the comments and I see alot of people do, and I will think more about it.