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California Proposition 37 hasn't lost yet: MASSIVE vote fraud reported

http://www.robertscottbell.com/marquee/did-prop-37-really-lo...

John Rappoport is an investigative reporter, who short while ago posted an explosive story.

Vote counting and reporting from California is all smoke and mirrors, whoa!!!

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I was told all counties in California have been asked, not ordered, to report in with those figures. It’s voluntary.

So I picked out a few of the biggest counties and called their voter registrar offices. Here are the boggling results:

Santa Clara County: 180,000 votes remain uncounted.
Orange County: 241,336 votes remain uncounted.
San Diego County: 475,000 votes remain uncounted.
LA County: 782,658 votes remain uncounted.

In just those four counties, 1.6 million votes remain uncounted.

The California Secretary of State’s website indicates that Prop 37 is behind by 559,776 votes.

So in the four counties I looked into, there are roughly three times as many uncounted votes as the margin of Prop 37′s defeat.

And as I say, I checked the numbers in only four counties. There are 54 other counties in the state. Who knows how many votes they still need to process?

So why is anyone saying Prop 37 lost?



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FBI ALERTED TO NO ON 37 WEB OF LIES

The No on 37 committee and campaign may have violated criminal statutes. As word of this gets around, a growing backlash could ensue against the anti-labeling effort which was an utter sham in California.

http://www.carighttoknow.org/fbi_contacts

Voters and FBI put on alert: Massive deceptions found in the No on 37 campaign, all documented www.currentsoftruth.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/voters-and-fbi

Monsanto Funded Anti-GMO Labeling Campaign Gets Away with Impersonating Govt. Agencies. (a felony)
www.naturalsociety.com/monsanto-funded-anti-gmo-labeling-fda

Again, I ask the question

Would Ron Paul vote for government labeling? We are asking the government to force companies to label their food. Your asking for the same people who are probably paid for by Monsanto to force labeling. Remember, Ron Paul stated that the best regulation is the free market. So, do we abandon the free market because Monsanto has a monopoly, because they are corrupt and evil? This isn't very libertarian, and it's not something Ron Paul would stand for, and it makes us look like hypocrites. There are already companies who CHOOSE to label their food "Non-GMO", so support them and take money away from those that don't label. Vote for politicians or call your politician and get them to take legal action against Monsanto for polluting farmers fields with their seeds, with out permission. Their are many ways to defeat Monsanto without violating the constitution, and with out abandoning the free market principles.

I ask the question

If labeling is so bad, why did the companies like Monsanto spend so much money to stop it.

They seem to have no problem "less calories" on their stuff.

In addition, while the free market option might work in the long run, in the short run entire states will have been contaminated by GMO crops.

Think about it from their

Think about it from their point of view. Additional regulations and labeling increases their costs and makes them less competitive. That is why they fight it.

Update after Thanksgiving weekend

Big update after long Thanksgiving weekend....As more and more votes get counted, the Yes on 37 votes keep tearing into No on 37 votes. This isn't over yet by any means!

As of Updated: 11/26/2012 5:00 p.m.

Total votes remaining to be counted: 958,311

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012-elections/nov-general/p...

reporting as of November 26, 2012, 2:58 p.m.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

Yes 5,711,828 48.1%
No 6,173,705 51.9%

This is very significant, because the difference in vote count is now only 461,877 - the lowest it has ever been. And the Yes count percentage is the highest it has ever been.

In roughly 1 week, between ALL the votes that got counted Yes received 782,246. No received only 665,642. It continues to be lopsided in favor of Yes. I am by no means willing to concede defeat on this yet for Yes on 37.

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Bump Bump

BUMP!!!!

Suspense - Going down to the wire!

And the suspense continues as more and more votes are getting counted. The gap keeps getting NARROWER and NARROWER!! It has never been this close. There are still a large number of votes to be counted. Here are the details as of night before Thanksgiving (Wed. night):

Updated: 11/21/2012 5:00 p.m.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012-elections/nov-general/p...

Number of uncounted votes: 1,022,922

reporting as of November 21, 2012, 5:13 p.m.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

Yes 5,603,286 47.9%
No 6,099,474 52.1%

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Vote counts narrowing the gap

Encouraging news to report after end of Friday Nov. 16.

The gap narrows between Yes and No votes.

Updated: 11/16/2012 5:00 p.m.

Total Number of Unprocessed Ballots: 1,722,249

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012-elections/nov-general/p...

reporting as of November 16, 2012, 5:26 p.m.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

Yes 5,329,994 47.6%
No 5,869,382 52.4%

Votes remaining to be counted are still more than 3 times the margin of difference AND the margin of difference keeps getting narrower. It's not narrowing as fast as I hoped. Regardless, the fact that it keeps narrowing AND large number of votes still remain uncounted is encouraging. Will keep tracking this till its closure.

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What Prop 37...

may end up achieving is a false sense of safety. We know the gov't is in bed with Monsanto. I imagine they could easily find a way to not label a GMO product by some technicality...like how if they use a small enough percentage, MSG & aspartame can be added to our food under the title, 'natural flavorings'. I think RP has made a similar point.

Bump

for a very valid point. :)

Just open the box and see

Was if finally determined that Prop 37 itself was a fraud?

That using government force producers to disclose what is in their products is a mistake.

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Openness and disclosure

In a free society, transparency and disclosure of food products is necessary for an informed consumer to make a choice. A rule which enforces that on companies that don’t really wanna' seems like one good use of government.
What is the argument for companies not having to disclose what is in the product? cost?
Making the info available on a web site would be enough. Those that want to go the extra mile will provide one of those smart phone scan tags. Producers that use other products can simply link to the other vendor’s info. Most companies have a web page anyway, and the cost of one is negligible.
We have technology, why aren’t we using it intelligently to solve issues?
Of course, the current government would use it as an excuse to tax and otherwise harass small companies and force some labeling laws that cost a fortune. That is one argument against it that I find reasonable.

Just open the box and see

I want to know what's in food

If it turns out that GE corn causes infertility in the third generation, like some farmers claim with their hogs, will libertarianism be salve to the grandchildren? You can't have children, but at least we don't have forced labeling? (Paulreal, do you proofread?)

2 day update

Update after 2 days and things are now seeming suspicious. Actually they already were seeming strange after end of yesterday. But I at least wanted to wait for 1 more day before saying "conspiracy!".

The counting of votes from this report keeps getting updated regularly. It got updated at least 3 times yesterday & maybe twice today.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012-elections/nov-general/p...

Updated: 11/15/2012 5:00 p.m.

According to this, as of end of Thursday more than 1.7 million ballots are still unprocessed. Meaning, about 600000 votes got counted in last 2 days. [Per my keeping tabs, around 400000 were processed yesterday & around 200000 today.]

But the bigger issue is that actual reporting of vote counting hasn't been getting updated since end of Monday at all! Timestamp in following link

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

still says:

reporting as of November 13, 2012, 5:24 p.m.

It has been way more than 1 week since the actual election. Is spite of the Veterans Day in between, this is far too long for actual counting and certification of votes.

I have good reason to suspect results have moved favorably for "Yes on 37", that they're stalling on updates. Also 37 was the only big money, big publicity proposition on the ballot. Rest of the propositions either didn't have much lobbying to the extent of Monsanto OR the results just weren't close enough.

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One more day was lost yesterday due to Veteran's Day.

As of end of Tuesday, more than 2.3 million ballots remain uncounted. Meaning, close to a million ballots got counted on Tuesday.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012-elections/nov-general/p...

It does appear that Yes votes have narrowed gap as a result of ballot counting. But this is definitely nowhere as much as I was hoping for. The change is miniscule.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

Yes 4,929,582 47.2%
No 5,508,063 52.8%

Will counting out remaining 2.3 million ballots change the outcome? I have no idea. Quite honestly it seems unlikely. I continue to hope against hope. But counting of about million votes not changing the outcome significantly is VERY discouraging.

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Finally!

Yes!

The official Yes on 37 has issued a statement that nothing has been decided yet, they are by no means conceding any defeat.

http://www.carighttoknow.org/151504/vote_count

"As with every election, not every ballot is counted on election night and currently the California Right to Know campaign is awaiting a final vote tally from the state."

This is very encouraging. I think uncounted ballots from Los Angeles County can very well tip the balance of this one.

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Yet more government waste in the making.

Government isn't a necessary evil it is necessarily evil.

We have a vote, they have buckets of money as Members of the Federal Reserve family of Companies. The vote comes every few years, they have money all year round.

However, this is an important issue. I would rather avoid gmo foods, In a hundred years i'll see how it works out.

If your shooting for 150 years, it pays to be careful and I don't trust the government. Nothing gets better for me.

But if a company could come with a cheap, reliable test for gmo products, i'd grab one or two.

How about using a freelance organisation or COOP to reduce the burden of discovery with some friends?

How about eliminating patents on food commodities? Eliminate the government subsidy and patent protection for living organisms.

We are paying for federal government to finance and regulate genetically modified produce as a favor for Federal Reserve member companies.

How invested is California in the success of gmo? City, County and State,

Now, we are asking government to label something where they have made these huge investments? They expect huge flow of franchise taxes into the US Treasury.

I just can't find an upside to getting government involved. If they do, what motivates them to do a good job? Great Pay, Benefits, an Endless Pension,...

Free includes debt-free!

I am amazed!

I am amazed at all the down votes for people who don't want prop 37! Let me ask you all who support this, would Ron Paul vote yes on it? Do you see Ron Paul saying "yes, we need government to force companies to label whether or not their food is GMO"? I ask this because I see a lot of liberty people wanting this, and I believe it goes against everything that we have been taught by Ron Paul. Yes, Monsanto is evil, and yes they have paid off politicians and have a HUGE advantage, but what politician is not bought off by some company??? Every politician is in the pocket of either the FED, Monsanto, or some other major corporation, but does that mean we should go to the same people and have every company forced to get labeled? We attacked and condemned Paul Ryan, Romney, and George Bush for saying they must abandon their free Market principles to save the free market. Do we do the same?

It's not abandoning the free market

It's forcing GE companies to identify themselves and their products, after they have successfully bought off or forced down all attempts to even comprehend and identify what they're doing. People believe the GE crops are the same as what their grandparents ate. It's an unprecedented agro-industrial three card monte perpetrated in alliance with federal officials, regulatory agencies, and academia.

No

It's not free market if you are using government and force to do it, period.

It's liberal Californians

in a voter initiative hoping to expose the most corrupt corporation since earth formed. If a thug entered your house and threatened your wife and daughters, would you resent the presence of the police because it wasn't free market?

Principles of liberty need to be informed by facts on the ground. Talk a bit more about how GE foods, under the radar, have come to be 90% of processed foods, and how libertarian principles can restore wholesome foodstuffs. Convince me! I'm your most promising audience.

Worse than zombified sheep

Do you know what is worse than "Zombified sheep"?

It's the ridiculous ideologues who live in a vacuum calling themselves "free market libertarian" purists, YET participating in government related elections.

Ron Paul himself is enough politically savvy and did not threaten to take away medicare or social security of people already enrolled in those things.

If you want to be a free market purist and don't want any government involvement, why are you even participating in government related elections? Be voluntarists and anarchists and participate in your pure free markets. Rest of us closer to reality understand force of government as a necessary evil in super-serious issues like these.

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GMO kills (period)

I have come to the conclusion that Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) fall against Libertarian principles for polluting your neighbors land, air or water. GMOs released into nature cause our food chain to be caught in a cycle of destruction and disease. Seeds spread throughout the environment via natural biological processes, such as wind, turning soil, and through our landfills.

GMOs are a BioWeapon as dangerous as slow kill viruses.

Trying to play God with mankinds food is disasterous.

While I agree with free market principles of consumers making informed decisions not to buy GMO food. It is clear that the poorest and least educated in our society will fall the biggest victim of this raping of our food. GMOs essentially target poor people but affect everyone!

Lets pull our heads out of our asses and come to grips that GMO's are BioWeapons and no level of remuneration will ever pay back the disruption GMOs play on our planet.

Outlaw GMOs immediately.

C4RP

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I Voted Against It

It's what Ron Paul would have done.

Forced speech is not free speech.

The government should not be in the business of intervening between consumers and suppliers. Consumers have to tell suppliers what they want, and they'll get it.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

VOTING is one means that

consumers have to do just that: tell suppliers what they want.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

What the heck you talking

What the heck you talking about. There is a difference in this. It is known to be harmful and destroy the land. Its like a weed that never dies. Anybody who doesn't want to know what is in there food is nuts. There is a difference between a free market and a poisoned market. They are taking nature and manipulating it. Suing these companies is useless since the government is controlled by them. The only way to make a stand is to vote for labels. If you would of voted yes you would of saw 95 percent of your food labeled GMO. Your vote missed on all levels.

corn

the problem is the gmos are currently mislabeled. if you were to want to buy corn and it's labeled corn you think you are only getting corn not some spliced franken fruit or vegetable with centipede genes in it or what ever other monstrosity they added. maybe they should come up with new names for the new things they created

I would agree

if these were legitimate products. They're abominations. They have no place in a free market. If the regulatory agencies and courts were not dominated by the companies, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The liberal Californians put it on the ballot through a voter initiative. Good for them. The federal government has assumed a role of keeping dangerous products off the market, and they've failed at that role. The public has ceded that territory to the government in their thinking. Ron Paul wants to eliminate Social Security, but he's not going to put Seniors on the street. Eating the food, and losing our heritage crops are more immediate threats than adding an item to the list of labeling requirements.

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As of Friday afternoon, close to 3.3 million ballots remain uncounted. I have no reason to believe this Proposition has been defeated yet. Our election process has become all hijacked and opaque.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/2012-elections/nov-general/p...

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No evidence of fraud.

what I see is provisional and write in ballots that have yet to be counted. This needs to happen by hand and will take longer. To imagine that all the provisional and write in votes are going to be yes on prop37 is clutching at straws.