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A Gallon of Organic Milk is now $6 a gallon.

It's become impossible for my wife and I to eat healthy foods. Organic milk is $6 a gallon (regular milk is $4 a gallon) and all fruits and vegtables or essentially any food that is good for us has exceeded the prices we can afford.

Isn't it ironic that food and gas are not included in the Governments inflation calclator?

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Raw milk cheese

Is also a lot more expensive

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Over $7 here in MN


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☠ Pasteurized Milk ☠ vs Raw Milk. Wanted! Died or Alive! 1938

☠ Pasteurized Milk ☠ vs Raw Milk, 1938 ☠ Armchair Science, London

☠ [1938] "With regards to the prevention of souring; sour raw milk is very widely used. It is given to invalids, being easily digested, laxative in its properties, and not unpleasant to take. But, after pasteurization, the lactic acid bacilli are killed. The milk, in consequence, cannot become sour and quickly decomposes, while undesirable germs multiply very quickly.

☠ [1938] Besides destroying part of the vitamin C contained in raw milk and encouraging growth of harmful bacteria, pasteurization turns the sugar of milk, known as lactose, into beta-lactose — which is far more soluble and therefore more rapidly absorbed in the system, with the result that the child soon becomes hungry again.

☠ [1938] Probably pasteurization's worst offence is that it makes insoluble the major part of the calcium contained in raw milk. This frequently leads to rickets, bad teeth, and nervous troubles, for sufficient calcium content is vital to children; and with the loss of phosphorus also associated with calcium, bone and brain formation suffer serious setbacks.

☠ [1938] Pasteurization also destroys 20 percent of the iodine present in raw milk, causes constipation and generally takes from the milk its most vital qualities.

☠ [1938] In face of these facts-which are undeniable-what has the Pasteurization Party to say? Instead of compelling dealers to set up expensive machinery for turning raw milk into something that is definitely not what it sets out to be — a nutritious, health giving food — let them pass legislation making the dairy-farmers produce clean, raw milk — that is milk pure to drink with all its constituents unaltered.

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Keep hammering away, Mark.

Keep hammering away, Mark. Great information.

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Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

See if you can find a local

See if you can find a local farmer that will sell you milk for "not for human consumption" Organic milk that is pasteurized is still not good for you. You should only take raw milk and cheese or not at all. You can get by without milk or get your own goat...

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"organic food" is any food

"organic food" is any food that was normal 70+ years ago.

people today are paying more for less.

Leftist organic cows go on strike, organic milk prices soar!

THIS is why we shouldn't allow cows the right of collective bargaining. They just start mooing and mooing for more "rights".

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.


The Guernsey I used to milk is prob'ly heading up the whole movement! She was a right fuss!

What would the Founders do?

You shouldnt drink cows milk ...

anyhow. Almond and Coconut milk is getting good. Its about the same price, but I think it might be the stable one with cows milk continuing to rise in price. But...what do I know. Anyhow, Organic milk has been about 6-7 dollars for a long time now. Except Horizon which fetches a steep 8+ dollar price tag. WTF its milk.

I have started fruit tree/bush planting to become more self sufficient. Blackberry, now blueberry, and possibly rasberry by spring. Plus 1 peach tree. In my front yard, I have planted Kiwi and strawberries as ground cover and will soon make a 12 x 12 garden for veggies.

Americans need to start thinking self sufficiency. The world can feed everyone, IF everyone works to feed themselves. Obviously if you live in the city in an apt. its difficult.

Why not?

I had an intestinal illness/condition (as a result of food poisoning) which lasted for over a year. As soon as I was drinking raw milk regularly for a couple weeks, it was GONE. I haven't had the opportunity to drink raw milk for months now, but the problem has never returned (knock on wood...).

The beneficial bacteria/probiotics and such in raw milk are very good for most people.

Just askin'. No disrespect.

What would the Founders do?

Watch "Food, Inc" and "Forks

Watch "Food, Inc" and "Forks Over Knives" for some good lessons.

We had to give up our raw milk share

I know how you feel. This past summer we had to give up our share in a cow where we were getting our raw milk. We also got rid of satellite TV the same week, so at least that choice made us healthier. I would literally not have the gas money to go pick up the milk, and it just got to the point where we just couldn't do it anymore as a fixed expense with a contract. I would love to have our own goat or cow, but then we would have to build a shelter, so we can't do that either. It is getting harder for families who won't take the government handouts.

Keep in mind...

...organic milk is always going to be more expensive than regular milk. The reason farmers started producing milk using the techniques that the organic milk people dislike is precisely because those techniques increase productivity, and therefore lower prices.

This is one reason why I'm not a big fan of the whole organic movement. It seems to me the world is better off with lots and lots of non-organic food at low prices than with a lot less organic food at higher prices. Of course, everyone ought to be free to buy what they please. Just saying that if you have a vision of a all-organic world, make sure you understand that that's going to be a world of hungrier people, even if what little they do eat is higher quality.

The same with the "eat local" movement. The reason food is grown in certain areas and transported long distances is precisely because that's the cheapest way of producing food. If everyone ate local, prices would be higher. Same for "buy local" in general, for all kinds of goods.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."


Look around. Government-subsidized cheap food is NOT the solution to the problem Look at the obesity epidemic which is driving a health care epidemic. This stuff doesn't nourish people, it just fills them up. I mean really.


The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

My state (ME) has a minimum

My state (ME) has a minimum price that a gallon of milk can be sold for in stores. Are other states similar?

The US government

...has been supporting milk prices (i.e. keeping them artificially high) since the 1930's, for the benefit of dairy farmers, and at the expense of consumers. The system changes from time to time, so I'm not sure exactly how it works at the present moment, but over the years they have done everything from production quotas (forcing farmers to produce less in order to raise prices), to minimum price controls (can't sell for less than that price), to the USG itself buying large quantities of milk on the open market in order to raise prices. This is the reason the USG gives free cheese to public schools. It's also the logic behind food aid to foreign countries: the USG buys all this food in the US and has to get rid of it somehow without pushing down the prices of food in the US.

It's a completely insane system from the point of view of anyone but the bureaucrats (who get to multiply their numbers and salaries) and the farmers (who get to make more than they would on the free market).

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Corn costs to feed cows and 40% for biofuel

The drought that caused the corn cost to go up and dairy farmers said they would forced to raise milk prices and it will be worse next year.
We never should've allowed Corn to be used for Biofuel and this is why too. 40% of corn is used for fuel.
Farmers as many know were feeding their livestock candy for carbohydrates instead of corn because of costs.

Cows are not supposed to eat corn

They just feed corn because it's cheap and filling. Do you think a herd of cows, left to choose for themselves, would rather graze on a field of grass or munch their way through a cornfield.

Anyone raising cows ought to watch this

For people with just a few cows or other grazing livestock, this saved us enough money that we could afford to go to organic feed:

For commercial operations:

Apply these concepts to feeding the humans on your family farm, and you might start to see this is truly revolutionary stuff.

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Is there a farm nearby where

Is there a farm nearby where you can negotiate purchases directly with the farmer?

Well, 6 bucks a day if you are like my family comes out to

180 bucks a month.....and 2160 to by milk for a year. Now add in how much you spend on soft cheeses, butter, cream, whipped cream, yougurt and you will realize dairy is an expensive habit.

When you consider it costs somewhere between 400 and 600 dollars a year to keep a dairy cow and about ...oh I don't know 1200 dollars. You can see how if the economy keeps going like it's going we will hall be sporting a cow or a goat and a sprinkling of chickens. Many of us will resemble the little rascals with neighborhood houses and goats in the alley way and chickens and ducks in the yard.

That....or gubberment cheese may be on the menu for us all

It's already like that here.

Well, kind of.

Several people in my neighborhood have chickens, roosters, and geese, and I'm pretty sure at least one guy on my block has a goat.

The guy next to me has a bunch of ducks living in a pond he built in his side yard. It provides some nice scenery, but those ducks never shut up! That's when I send the cat out to play. ;)

I wouldn't mind moving to a farm for a year or so, just to learn the ropes. I can read all the books and watch all the videos I want, but the best education is experience.

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you're lucky. I 'm not allowed to have chickens in my town

OH we can have a couple of huge noisy rottweilers if we choose but a couple of harmless chickens or a goat is against the law.

Necessity may change that soon.

An ordinance or code perhaps? Consult natural & Common law.

Whose law? Your state legislature passes laws. Your local government does something else. More or less, I don't know. Sit at town council meetings and observe quietly their action. Then study what action you wish to take. You may have to assert your right to your enjoyment of your property. Take time to observe others. Learn from their actions. Much of the town council action is spending other people's wealth. Taxpayers and property owners seek ways to enjoy their wealth & other property themselves.

This means, with neighbors agreement, most local issues may remain local. With neighborhood support, most town councils go along to get along. Most all issues such as restricting property use are the taking of property rights (what you can do with your own property). Natural & common law doctrine roughly abide, 'Government cannot take a man's property, nor restrict his use of it without just compensation.' Just compensation is seldom pro-offered. There is a long history of restriction being placed on private land use, only to be removed by concerted clams against the state by property owners. Eliminate the restriction or pay just compensation.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

That prices are what they are

That prices are what they are is (another evidence) government regulation helps not you and me the commoners but helps the long established manufacturers and growers of food. Government and some companies, again, those of long standing, have been working together since those companies' inceptions.

This relationship is protectionist in that it makes difficult or impossible for us normal people to enter food production and selling. Here, protectionist means guard against competition and especially would-be competition unless the would-be competition adheres to the regulation because if it does its food quality will be less than that of the long established ones or if not so then better and far outside affordability of the average person. Consequently, the big players get bigger because competition shrinks, where more and more people go to the existing places, giving false readings on the stock market and in our media news of a strong economy. Consolidation is what that dynamic is.

What is ironic is that people -- and I don't know if you, go213mph, are among them -- who advocate government involvement regardless government's location (whether local, state or federal) in food quality control complain about high prices. More government control, more central planning, can produce only one outcome: worsening food quality and prohibition of the individual to create his own food because seed, land and resources to cultivate increase past his financial reach or because if he can afford it he'll have to prepared attack from the government (physically, probably) and financial onslaught from the government and the long established food companies which is to say fines, fees and court costs. The latter effect, the prohibition, carries forward consolidation, therefore breeds dependency and eventually slavery.

The answer is what it's always been: STOP the government, STOP the centrality. Deny government's involvement in food is to deny its attacks and attacks from companies. Simpler yet: No centrality=freedom.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I DO NOT advocate government involvement

in fact, I'd like to abolish the whole damn thing! I'd rather pay the mafia shake down money than to keep funding this monstrosity of evil called "Government".

Good to hear. So you are

Good to hear. So you are against government mandating GMO food labeling? I hope you are, but not only should you be against that mandate, you should be against the government (at any level, again) attacking food sellers who do or want to label their foods GMO free. The former activity, the government mandate, and government attacking sellers for labeling their food GMO free, is a DOUBLE WHAMMY against freedom and should, as clear as day, spell collusion.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

I'm against GMO's and

in a free market if the consumers were alerted to the fact that manufacturers were doing things to their product (in this case food) that most consumers do no want ...it would be up to the market to decide if GMO's were put on the label. No I don't want to be told what to put on the label but consumers would demand it or else they would start shopping and buying foods that DID have it label.

Do you not want to know what is in the food you buy?

What Does Raw Milk Taste Like? (Maybe a Stupid Question)

How does raw milk taste, compared to pasteurized-milk? How many calories is it per serving?


Joe in MD


Raw milk is rich, creamy and delicious

We live in a state where it is illegal to sell. So we buy it illegally from farmer who has grass fed cows, for only 3 dollars a gallon. We can't drink pasteurized, as we are lactose intolerant. And if we don't drink it fast enough, and it sours, it makes the best pancakes, biscuits, etc. I don't know how many calories it has. Just that it is so easy to digest, and dipping the cream off the top, adding it to the leftover coffee, with vanilla and maple syrup and ice cubes, is the height of delight for the afternoon break.