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"Pedophilia" on track to become "Minor Attracted" and protected as "sexual orientation"


"In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.
B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people.” The organization’s website states its purpose is to, “help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping, stigma and fear.”
In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

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had nothing to do with "religion" - your biases are showing.

One common area that I have also noted though - homosexuals will probably be the most livid group about this new development as they watch the psychologist and laws provide the same compassion, understanding, and protections awarded to homosexuals now shared with the pedophiles. After all, it is simply a matter of preference - right? They can't help how they were born (created?). I would think that homosexuals, of all people, would be most tolerant of others who may not fit into societies "approved" lifestyle.

Even if someone is "born that way", it does not make it normal.

People can be born with, or develop, defects and disorders. Some are physical and some are mental or emotional.

If I "prefer" to drink alcohol night and day, and I like it that way, is that a normal behavior or a defect?' Is my liver designed to process that much alcohol?

If I prefer to gorge myself on food and become grossly overweight, is this a healthy and normal behavior, merely a "preference" for a perfectly good, but not mainstream "lifestyle"? Is my body designed to handle that much food?

Maybe I have handwashing OCD. Or maybe I'm a "cutter". Or I'm bulimic. Am I hurting myself? If I like doing it, does that make it healthy and normal?

What about homosexuality and pedophilia? Just normal sexual variants? Ask: Was the human body DESIGNED for this behavior? The reproductive system is for procreation.

Ann in Florida

Uh, I was being facetious...

I think you missed the point.

You inject the word 'religion'

when this is about a moral code. Or are you incapable is separating the two?

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

A pedophile is a predator of children -- they are NOT homo

or hetero sexuals -- they prey on children.

If a man has sex with a boy he's not "gay" -- he's a pedophile.

Most likely the same thing happened to him.

If you believe in a free-society then you believe in self-defense.

Meaning it's your job to arm your children (teach them to fight, right from wrong, and to "report" to you when they've been molested); but let's face it MOST molestations is by the parents (usually the dad or uncle or other adult male figure).

Do you have any idea how difficult

it is to get a child to report when someone did something to them? Children see adults as authority figures and, as evidenced by the TSA, few ever report abuse perpetrated by authority figures and most succumb easily to the abuse! This is why the TSA gets away with what it does. Now if it works so easily on adults, how much easier does it work on children? You are expecting way too much from children.
Some years back, on three separate occasions, I asked gay men how old they were when they had their first sexual encounter with another man. All 3 said when they were very young. Granted, that's only three out of how many adult gay men, but I would love to know the stats on how many gays were molested by a same sex partner as a child. Someone once told me that most people's first sexual encounter usually (not always) determines that person's sexual orientation.
Another aspect is that adults who were abused as children either end up becoming abusers or seek relationships that continue the abuse. How many women continually fall into the same kind of abusive reletaionships with men?
And you really need to fix your last senetnce. You blame parents first when it's more likely that most molestations are perpetrated by people known to the child the authority figure.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

I homeschooled my child -- there was nothing to report

Homeschooling = Self-Defense (best defense of children).

When she played with other kids it was always under supervision (by me or my wife) -- we never let her stay the night at anyone's house (again best defense is a good offense).

When she was old enough to go off on her own she knew how to defend herself (hand-to-hand and in the use of a knife which I made her carry at all times).

Again -- Self-Defense.

Even when I was 6 I didn't see all adults as authority figures..

I think that's just because most parents tell their children naive things like, "respect your elders".

Like somehow all adults should be respected.

I saw my parents as authority figures, but the lady across the street who tried to boss me around... I would just stick my tongue out at her.

Maybe I was just a child with an abnormal amount of individuality and self will.

As far as telling people what happened to me when I was 6, I had no problem at all. I don't even get what you are talking about.

In fact the teenage girl who would fool around with me, got in a lot of trouble because I told people about it.

To be honest none of it even bothered me except for the fact my parents were so upset over it and that the girl lied about it later, but honestly that's understandable considering how much trouble it would cause her. My parents getting so upset and driving around the neighborhood telling everyone about it was really the truly stressful thing about it all.

I guess if some guy tried to stick it in my pooper and wouldn't take no for an answer I'd have a different opinion on the subject, but that's not what happened to me.

Because of this I've never understood the pedophile hysteria, and while I don't think what that girl did was right... I don't feel like she should have been put in prison or otherwise had her life ruined by the government in reaction to it. I can't say I was coerced into doing it...

She was around 15 at the time, and I was 6... Even if she had been 20 I don't see what major difference it would make either.

Honestly... the only reason why I even saw my parents as some sort of ultimate authority figures past age 8 or so was because I'd get punished if I didn't obey them. Same goes for my teachers. Any other adult would never have been able to force me into doing something I didn't wish to without physical threats, force, or violence.

Most of the people in this thread just come across to me as self-righteous and suffering from moral panic/hysteria.

I honestly probably wouldn't even remember it so vividly had my parents not freaked out so badly about it.

I believe it's much better if you simply educate your children about such people so they know that sex isn't something you just do willy-nilly and that there's no reason they should have to do something just because an adult tells them to, and that they should never be ashamed in telling someone they trust if something they didn't like happened to them.

The law is a blunt and unthinking instrument and does not take into account the specifics of each particular case. The hysteria surrounding this subject has caused a lot of innocent people harm... people who had perfectly healthy relationships. Just watch that episode of Stossel on the matter... a 16 year old being put on the sex offender's list and his life ruined because some girl who was 3 years younger than him lied about her age. And some father who is unable to legally be alone with his kids only because he had sex with his now wife when she was 17 and he was 18. Someone I know personally was put on the sex offender's list for having sex with one of his girlfriends when they were in high school, and she wasn't even a year younger than him.

If they are attracted to little boys

and not little girls, it's because they're gay.

A good listen

Free Talk Live has a somewhat recent episode where they spend almost the entire show discussing pedophilia. Well worth the listen, I would encourage you all to check it out.


Did you even listen to this

Before down voting it?

Now you're just being ridiculous


They don't have any good argument or point to add...

So they can only show they are reasonless animals acting on their emotions and personal prejudices.

When men and women formed partnerships

for survival, happiness, and to pass their seed on to the next version of their world, many humans who reached sexual maturity made their own choices about how, who, and when to form partnerships in life, subsistence, companionship, and yes, even pleasure. The arbitrary placement of age restrictions upon human beings declaring how and at what age they may decide between themselves to be a party to such partnerships is antithetical to basic human, INDIVIDUAL free will and exposes people to punishment by groups of others who claim to be 'protecting' them when, in fact, what may be occurring is the destruction of a partnership and the theft of money, reputation, and or liberty from HUMAN BEINGS who made a choice for themselves and tried to live their lives for the best possible fulfillment of their own needs and wants. Placing these people into groups according to the moment they happened to be born and treating them all equally is not justice, it's cookie cutter control for control's sake.

Peace, love, understanding, compassion.

Let's love and hate one person at a time and stop pretending that others victimize us by choosing what they want for themselves. Will mistakes be made, and bad partnerships fail and come apart? YES! But, that happens between and among humans of any and all ages.

One person, one case at a time. NEVER ignore the wishes of any person who is able to clearly indicate what they want for themselves in order to be happy!

Or, inevitably, YOU will be the one who is the target of the next 'one-size-fits-all' glove of 'standards of behavior' for INDIVIDUALS who are a certain age, shape, gender or belief.

the Golden Rule. Please, please, let's use it and be humane in our treatment of ALL our fellows, one HUMAN at a time.

Thank You!!!!

Lakeport Viper

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

What the

"The arbitrary placement of age restrictions upon human beings declaring how and at what age they may decide between themselves to be a party to such partnerships is antithetical to basic human, INDIVIDUAL free will..."

Oh yeah, right. That 3 year old girl with the big, sultry eyes really fell in love with that fat, hairy 65 year old man and wants a sexual relationship. I bet you still believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, too.

A society that refuses to protect its children is destined to destroy itself. Personally, I think you're sick for saying that children can make such determinations. And if you think you're espousing some kind of 'high-minded libertarian' ideology, you will seriously turn off a heck of a lot of people to libertarianism.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Pedophilia aside

Have you ever taken notice with how arbitrary this society applies "adult status" or how insanely the laws related to such arbitrary designations are applied.

Consider the case of a thirteen year old. He/She is told over and over again they aren't old enough to decide things for themselves, that the adults know what's best. If He/She decides to commit a a crime like murder, all of a sudden they can be charged as an adult. Where is the logic here? If they are told they are not adult enough to decide things for themselves, then how can they be punished for making adult choices? (please not I am not arguing they be let off as innocent. I am simply pointing out the arbitrary nature of defining adulthood with a number.)

Hmm, so because the state can

Hmm, so because the state can charge a 13 year old for murder it's ok for them to be raped by an adult. Your not doing well, maybe you should abandon this argument.

i believe

i titled that last response "pedophilia aside". I did so because I wanted to call attention to the arbitrary way society deems someone an adult. Using a one size fits all number does not make sense. Similarly, as far as the issue of consent for sexual relations is concerned we cannot always use age alone. I doubt anyone will argue a six year old able to provide informed consent. However, people develop at their own rate, especially in those teen years and to force everyone into your one size fits all system makes no sense.

I think you should find a

I think you should find a more appropriate term than rape. A thirteen year old is quite mature enough to know the meaning of the word no.

You've apparently never been

or even spoken with 13 year old girls. They are far from mature.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

So, your argument is that a

So, your argument is that a 13 year old does not understand the word no or that they don't know what sex is? I hope you don't have any children because you certainly don't know enough about them to give them credit for intelligence.

Very often very similar sentiments

and personal attacks are leveled at me whenever I use logic and human nature to address what is inevitably NOT a 'social' issue, but a choice between two people who do or do not choose to form a partnership based on the ancient idea of mating, coupling, and bonding with a mate.

I don't feel your mind opened to what I said and gave thought to what 13, 14, 15 year olds, etc. who feel they know what they want and whom, if they are not truly capable of making these choices correctly, at least should be left to sink or swim based on their own conception of how they want to exist.

I am not morally obligated or willing to insert myself or elected and hired gun-toters paid at my expense and that of my neighbors to threaten these people and/or cage them and remove them from their roles in the marketplace of free HUMAN BEINGS.

I know how you feel, I see a lot of people and hear from them that feel JUST like you do, and I don't want ANY three year olds or prepubescent children to be abused, sold, or brainwashed into doing something unnatural and/or disgusting. I just want victimizers to be held accountable and punished for forcing or defrauding the innocent or helpless, and for people who have reached a stage of self-determination for their OWN existences to be accountable to those who support them, or those with whom they choose to interact and partner with.

Peace, love, understanding, and tolerance, my fellow poster. Please try to be guided by them instead of grouping millions according to arbitrary numbers and handing out punishments to those who fail to follow rules that, by their very nature, cannot help but be arbitrary and therefore inapplicable to ALL who are claimed to be bound to obey them under threat of intolerant ostracization or kidnapping or theft of property and removal from productivity, to which each individual contributes what he or she can to the benefit of all in society, simply by making the next choice that betters their existence without damaging the proprties of or defrauding or injuring others in their community or family.

Blindly affixing standards of behavior to all, and blindly removing them from their places they have carved out for themselves among their fellows, is why we so many people in prison, so many people with needlessly ruined reputations struggling to regain productivity, and so many of these governmentally created victims relying on support that 'legislators' are only too happy to provide, at a benefit to their own enrichment, the furtherance of their quest for control, wealth and power, and as a 'feather in the cap' of ignorance that recoignizes these givers of, and creators of the need for, welfare or subsistence skimmed from the backs of those lucky enough to obey the rules or not to be caught breaking any of them as 'warriors for Justice' or 'protectors of the Children', when in point of fact these claims are all rooted in victimization of people who have truly done no harm, and use of those who remain 'free' to fund the kidnappings and break apart the families of many who did not ask for help or consider their choices to involve anyone else at all.

Such intolerance will one day find its way to you, and your plea of help for the 3 year old victim and jail for the 14 and 18 year old lovebirds who did not ask for nor need YOU to decide how they should live and love might be remembered by you as overstepping your bounds of actions you should take or endorse in the furtherance of whatmanner in which YOU believe all your fellows should interact, under penalty of LAW.

I hope to live in and/or pass on to my offspring a world in which they can choose what they decide is best for them by combining experience, education, and research to make those choices, and be free of the heavy hand of others who presume to know what the needs, wants, or victimized status are of people who they have never met.

Peace be with you, sir or madam, and your children, and may we all just be allowed to succeed or screw up on our own merits, and to reap the rewards and/or pay the consequences for all our INDIVIDUAL choices.



'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

Why should anyone allow anyone, especially teenagers to sink?

For the most part, teenagers are not rational creatures and work strictly on emotions. Have you truly forgotten what it's like to be a teenager with all its pressures for acceptance - regardless of what form that acceptance takes? Or are you a teenager pretending to know it all as most teenagters do?
I don't feel your mind is open to protect children from unwarranted molestation and seek to place the onus of a sexual relationship on the child while removing all responsibility away from the adult.
You dismiss the fact that there is a reason why they are called 'children'.
That you feel morally unobliged to do anything concerning pedophilia is a load of crap because you have inserted yourself into this thread with very definite parameters as to what can and can't be done. If you truly felt this was a nonsense post, you would have refrained from comment.
I know how you feel. You wish to be seen as someone floating high above in a state of rational 'peace, love, understanding and tolerance', but it's all a pretense and I see through you. You are not floating on some high plane, lofty moral cloud. Your words don't fool me.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Finally someone discussing this issue realistically

For sake of argument, let's say a nine-year-old person decides to engage in a sexual relationship with an adult.

Some years later they decide that they were molested.

Question: What changed in that person's mind that makes them feel that they weren't a conscious being capable of making decisions at such a young age but instead they were a victim?

my 'experience' was at the age of 6 and I clearly remember saying no and running away knowing that it didn't feel right but maybe I was an exception...

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Who sought out who?

Was the 9 yo seeking a sexual partner or was it the adult seeking the child?
How many 3,4,5,6,7,8 or 9 yo's seek sexual relationships with adults if they first weren't accosted by an adult to even know what the heck it was they were seeking?
It's the feakin' TSA - an authority figure wants to molest whoever and whoever caves.
And why are you putting the onus of that aberrant behavior on the child?

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

I don't understand that

I don't understand that attitude you have that in order to know about sex prior to the age of 18, you MUST have been abused.

This is a tough issue. Where do you draw the line? Certainly 18 is FAR too old. People used to get married and die before that.

By these people's logic Joseph was a "pedophile"

Even though it was common during that time for a man who was around 20 to marry a 14 year old. I don't see any evidence to suggest Joseph and Mary were any different.

Also, when I was just 6 years old a 15 year old girl used to fool around with me sexually... and I honestly can't say it was coercive. Now she was truly a pedophile, and while I'm not saying what she did was right... I just don't believe she should have been put in prison for it.

The law is a blunt instrument and many innocent people with perfectly healthy relationships in their teens have had their lives ruined due to the hysteria surrounding this subject.

I can't believe comments like

I can't believe comments like this get voted down. Take a dose of reason, people. You're letting emotions control your opinion, mainstream media-style!

Here is the first attempt to protect pedophiles by law


Links to the law and such arein the article. This was located by googling "pedophile legislation."
STOP being lazy, if you don't think something is true DO YOU OWN DUE DILIGENCE.
Just downvoting it because you don't like it is lazy and proves you are still a zombie.

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This reminds me of the bullshit my friend's mormon dad used to send him about how they're trying to make religion illegal blah blah blah!

I can do nothing but roll my eyes.