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"Pedophilia" on track to become "Minor Attracted" and protected as "sexual orientation"

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517

"In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.
B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people.” The organization’s website states its purpose is to, “help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping, stigma and fear.”
In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

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This major foundation of libertarianism applies...

whatever *consenting adults* do between themselves is none of yours, mine, or the government's business.

Children are not consenting adults, and libertarianism would not tolerate pedophiles acting upon their urges & preferences.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Not that I'm an advocate for pedophilia -

but at what "age" should one consider adult consent?
Yemen says it's age 9.
Bolivia defines it at the age of "puberty" (and thanks to steroids that is decreasing dramatically)...it's not uncommon for age 8 in girls currently.

I agree with you - however the debate will be over what constitutes "age" of consent - wait and see.
When the child belongs to the state - the state will determine the age of consent based on the state majority wishes.
Some psychologist are actually debating at what age a child becomes a "functioning human" (Age 3 is one consideration)deserving of any rights at all.

Whether sexually "accepted" behavior is guided by religion - or government - it is more complicated - and more slippery a slope for our future - than most people have given thought.

When I consider at what age the average individual ..

.. becomes self aware enough and likely to have the capacity to make sound decisions, understand consequences of many of their actions, and learn to accept them in our culture?

It really is at about about 18. Some much earlier. Some never.

But most? About 18 or so.

I could imagine some other cultures, where kids are not coddled so long, and where kids are needed at a young age to work the land, contribute, and be responsible, where the necessities of life require that they mature faster (and they do) ... it might be a little younger.

But here? No. It's about 18.

Do not confuse ability to consent with ability to function.

You advanced data points about the functional ability of children to engage in sex.

One of those points may well be the physiological drive to engage as a result of the onset of puberty.

But the physical ability, and the physiological drive to commit an act, is not the same thing as the ability to rationally determine that is the best course of action for you.

Certainly, the Age of Reason comes into play. This is where you are first cognizant of consequences and the ability to think things through. This can vary, but is historically held to be approximately age 7.

But that doesn't mean any 7 year old can rationally think through any or most of life's most difficult decisions. It simply means they are having the first inklings of how to think through something at all.

There is simply not enough practice with reasoning, not enough information, and not enough experience in a child over 7 or under even 17 or 18 to be able to make rational decisions concerning sexual relations.

Hell, there are legal adults that don't make such rational decisions in that arena.

The difference legally here is that legal adulthood means there is no longer going to be interference with your lack of rational decision making in order to protect YOU. (but actions may certainly be taken to protect other FROM you.)

That is the entire purpose of legal adulthood.

Therefore, it matters not at what age you can physically perform an act, or even what age you can rationally think through the consequences of performing it, or what age you can handle the psychological effects, but rather at what age for ALL issues, is it accepted that you will not be interfered with as long as you aren't harming others.

17-21 is that general range for legal adulthood. It varies by State. And unfortunately right now, it varies by issue. It should not vary by issue at all within the same State.

We should no more consider you an adult at 18 for the purpose of signing contracts, entering legal agreements, prosecuting you for crimes, allowing you to hold title to property, being able to smoke tobacco, join the military, and vote, and then not consider you an adult for purposes of alcohol consumption until you are 21, then we should consider making a special exception for sexual relations and consider you an adult at an age between puberty and 18.

Some good points

Piaget believed that after about age 12 kids can understand abstract concepts and reason logically. But as you stated, today's youth do not mature as soon as in the past.
The debate on this issue (pedophilia) will end up being about "age of consent". And many ideas and considerations, including yours and the other response poster who favored age 18, will all be tossed on the table for discussion by the state. It will also involve age of consent (without parent involvement) for vaccines, abortions, birth control, etc. as the battles rage.

"But as you stated, today's

"But as you stated, today's youth do not mature as soon as in the past."

Being exposed only to stupid and useless shiat (movies, Disney Chanel, reality shows, youtube, Facebook, sitcoms, clubs, drugs, alcohol, most people mature around the age of 25 and some even later.

I'm not expectin everyone to be like Alexander The Great or Napoleon when they are 17 years old, but today's society is very immature compared with hundreds of years ago, when kids where having responsabilities since they where 5 years old (feed the animals, chores around the house,protecting their family, etc).

Whn my mom was 5 she had stuff to do at her grandparents little farm, today my 11 years old nephew doesn't give a shiat about ANYTHING except video games and acting like the idiot kids he sees on Disney Channel, and most of his classmates are the same, their brain seriously underdeveloped.

I agree..

The age of consent may not even be pushed lower when directly addressing sexual activity at all, this was recently proven true to me when my daughter had her biometric fingerprints taken without consent by her school (here in the UK), this was to be used for access to library books and cashless systems.

The directives given to the school, used the excuse that children above 11yrs (younger if judged capable) where able to give their own informed consent, therefore the need to inform us parents was not required.

It was months before I found out about it!

As you can imagine, I was furious and demanded the school destroy the data without delay.

As a matter of fact, I used sexual consent as part of my argument, when the teacher told me about 11 year olds being capable of making informed consent I asked her if that meant I would be OK to go out onto the playground and get myself a date for the night?

Of course I was being sarcastic but I think she got the point after stumbling for a while about why it was not the same.

My daughter now has a library card and uses cash to pay for lunches and school outings.

She is now informed enough to question the wisdom of "Authority" and consult us as parents before agreeing to ANYTHING the school wishes to force her to accept.

Since then we have prevented her from accepting vaccinations and medication, lunchbox and bag searches (looking for "unacceptable food products"), CCTV cameras in toilets and changing rooms and many other things that young children could be vulnerable enough to accept without question.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/cctv-cameras-sch...

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/childhoodvacc...

wow

you need to write a post to make more people aware

All you describe is so scary!

All you describe is so scary! I believe Britain is the test case for what is coming next to the U.S. So I guess we can expect to see the same things here soon since it seems they successfully rolled out those programs over there.

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Not just in the UK

Victoria,

This is the VERY design of ANY socialist STATE's public schools system. Whether it names itself as such or not :

to take YOUR kids away from you and your spouse, as parents.

To mock your family values, challenge your authority, and instead to praise them, THE STATE, and everything it teaches.

THE STATE has a single obsession as far as kids go : DENY your natural parents right, and pretend to see the kids as "self-informed" enough, preferably COMPLETELY behind the parents' backs.

Indoctrination to further feed them into THE STATE, their turn. As civil servants preferably, or left out to the private sector but well taught before they leave the school system of how "bad" capitalism, or free markets are.

At the dawn of the 21st century it seems now that THE STATE has new plans re: morality and the use of children by STATE perverts. So, they begin slowly... but surely... by trying to get mentalities ROTTING first... betrayal the language, of course, always a first step... renaming downright PERVERTED CRIMES into rhetorically defended "sexual preferences".

Yes, you can go THROW UP, now :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Ferry#Major_works

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+1 .

+1

PERIOD

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So, for all of YOU (us) to know :

So, for all of YOU (us) to know :

the "doctors" say it is OKAY to have other adults have sex with YOUR kids.

The legislator can now follow up on this and make it legal.

Oh, and how dare you find it immoral ?

You must be an intolerant pedophiliaphobic cretin. No, wait : you are sick to not see it as a matter of preference.

Nevermind the age or psychological fragility of kids before adult time maturity.

Send me YOUR little girls and boys, all your pre-teen sons and daughters :

I know a guy in my neighborhood who feels bored for years, now, but bear with me ...

... I ***PREFER*** that he doesn't meet MY kids.

But him to meet **YOURS*** that's all fine. You don't need to be around to watch, anyway.

Come on, don't be intolerant... Don't deny his pedophile "rights".

Thanks !

P.S.
How sweet... I see one downvote. Whoever did it either :

didn't get my sarcasm

OR

feels that these doctors are right to not see pedophilia as such a big deal.

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This EVIL Trash Is Not Going To Fly. The World Would Rise Up.

This EVIL Trash Is Not Going To Fly. The World Would Rise Up.

The Illuminati have pushed The Human Race far too far.

We need to re-start The Space Program and send these Demons off-planet.

The People of This World would not care ONE BIT whether Child Abuse became legalized or not: WE WILL RISE UP AND MAKE GOD'S LAW!

I do not have children yet, but if somebody hurt my child:

I would not call The Police. I will simply rid the world of one monster myself.

Children are sacred. We we all children at a time. I had the happiest childhood and now that I am an adult, I want to pay back the favor - God's Favor - and ensure every child in my life has a happy childhood as I had.

I am a musician and I teach kids for free. I know The Arts will keep them away from "the wrong crowd", will raise their self-esteem, make them belong to "the good-kid crowd, the Artist's Circle".

It is am amazing sight to watch after they learn their first song from an artist they admire: They look at me and tell me: Wow! I can play it now! I can be a rockstar! (((Tears!!!)))

"You can be anything you want, my little friend. Always believe in yourself, study every day, stay away from the bad kids and you will become the artist you want to be. Get toghether with the other musician kids in your school and start your own band. I will gladly help you. When you have your first show at your school I will be in the front row cheering you on and someday, you are coming onstage with me to play one song with me. Keep practicing. I just gave you an hour lesson and now you have to pay me so: Go help your mother for one hour".

That is how I teach kids not only music, but gratitude, morals and life lessons.

RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION: There is a child in your life who needs you.

Find that kid and protect him / her from this dangerous world.

Now I am going to cry a river with my morning coffee, Calling All The Angels.

http://youtu.be/BxJIrDxSpIg

Wisdom Strategies

The world isn't going to rise up.

Especially Americans.

They are going to take it and accept it.

They'll even beg for this into law eventually.

If Americans were ever going to "rise up" they would have done it long ago.

Everyone keeps putting lines in the sand and saying "don't cross" as they conveniently ignore every other line that has already been crossed that they caved on. They will cave on this one too.

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It's like a can of worms...

just like polygamy it will return as soon as we make marriage equality the norm. Then the age of things will lower. Then animals will enter the picture. The hole thing is sick. One man one woman is all i will stand for. Just like my dad and grandpas did.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

If you right-wingers would have allowed for "civil unions"

back in the 60's or 70's when all's gay people wanted was to have the same insurance benefits, tax breaks, and inheritance protection straight couples had "marriage" (as defined by Big Gov't) would not be on the table.

Basically you "allow" two consenting adults to enter into a contract with each other and that you don't give "un-fair" advantages to ANYONE (married couples).

The other soultion would have been to eliminate all advantages to being married (tax breaks, insurance, inheritance, beneficiary etc).

But THAT type of thinking would require an understanding of how a court system would work in a "free-society" instead of the unionized "force-agency" system we have now.

That's why gays unionized and are now winning elections -- because people like you started this particular "groupist war"

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I agree

With you on the tax breaks 100 percent. I think the issue is a state issue not a union issue. I guess it's one of the flaws that are bound to happen when you get group of principled Judeo Christian men together.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Actually,

What would be even better is for the government to butt out of people's marriages. The government shouldn't be trying to manipulate people by offering them tax cuts or government-granted rights just because they form a union, nor because they don't.

Bull!

The reason that the deviants have made so many gains is because of the corruption in our government and judicial system. They are allowed to unionize while at the same time decent moral people are being gagged and hog tied so they cannot fight this kind of crap. Screw you and your deviant apologetic ignorance.

If you believe in "free-markets" then you MUST

believe that the gov't should not "certify" contracts between consenting adults.

If "gays and lesbians" are deviants to you then you MUST have Big Gov't to regulate them.

They made "gains" like all other unions made gains by immitating the "gains" of the first unions (union of the wealthy -- the owner-class of 1790).

Every union that has ever formed watched and observed "how" the wealthy unions got power -- When you have a system where everyone can vote and everyone can lobby then you will have union formaiton.

You live in a union my friend -- you swim in the same pond.

I have predicted this for years...

Even though many who heard my predictions called me "loony"...

Once the door opened and homosexuality was considered simply as a "sexual orientation" then all sexual preferences could/would eventually be classified as "a matter of preference"...including pedophilia, beastality, voyeurism, etc.

So go the desires of the people - so go the "current" definitions.
And apparently pedophilia is becoming common - you know we can't keep firing our great coaches simply because of their sexual preferences.

Imagine the politicians we'd have to fire!

The judges!

There'd be hardly anyone left in any position of power ANYWHERE!

Damn near all of them are deviants. (not all, damn near all)

THAT is why this is being pushed. Because they nearly all have a stake in it.

Politically correct or not.

BOTH pedophilia and homosexuality are mental illnesses.

Bigotry at its worst.

The fundamental difference between pedophilia and homosexuality is easily understood by anyone with a functioning brain cell, which you apparently lack.

I don't play, I commission the league.

Your Condesceinding comment

There is a difference in degree but none of the two are justifiable. You are trying to use the 'liberal media argument' to disqualify as stupid everyone who is not homofilic. If you want to do that I can find many people with high IQs that are not homofilic/homofascist and chances are that you are not that high IQ either.

Corrected for you

"BOTH pedophilia and homophobia are mental illnesses"

You're welcome.

homophobia

is a natural aversion to a disgusting life CHOICE.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

Its a natural aversion

By bigots who can't comprehend people who are born different then they are

There is no such thing as homophobia

It is a made up word to make normal people seem sick and deviant trash seem normal.

Wow

But if the psychologist follow the above trend and classify pedophilia as simply a "preference" as they have homosexuality - will those who don't approve of pedophilia then be classified as having "pedophilia-phobia"...
and become the ones with the mental illness? LOL
Just because YOU don't approve of pedophilia - how dare you call them abnormal. You are just afraid of them.