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"Pedophilia" on track to become "Minor Attracted" and protected as "sexual orientation"

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"In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.
B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people.” The organization’s website states its purpose is to, “help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping, stigma and fear.”
In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

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NOT corrected. Recognizing homosexuals as abnormal is not

fear of them. It is recognition of fact.

Or maybe you would care to argue that pedophilia also doesn't exist, only pedophobia does?

If it needs to be stated - I neither FEAR nor would advocate DISCRIMINATION against homosexuals - just as I neither fear nor would advocate discrimination against heart patients. But I still recognize that both have illnesses.

How is it even possible

To compare love between two consenting adults and an adult who coerces young children for sex? Have you MET any gay people? Gotten to know them and their dreams for their lives? Homosexuality is about as much a mental illness as being left-handed is. They are normal people with different sexual tastes, and thats it.

Can–O–Worms here - Why is it that when we hear of

sexual abuse cases with minors they invariably involve children of the same gender as the adult?

Why is there such a high proportion of homosexual cases of sexual abuse of children over heterosexual abuse of children? Is someone going to claim the heterosexual ones simply aren't reported as much? Is it that only high profile deviants engage in homosexual child abuse, but your average, everyday, one-off deviant is more likely to engage in heterosexual child abuse?

I don't imply that straight people don't abuse children of the opposite gender. But why are they so low in number compared to people who abuse children of the same gender?

THAT is why people closely associate the two.

THAT is also why people ascribe a large proportion of people being "gay" to being abused as a child rather than as simply being "wired differently."

I know people personally who are wired differently. Some choose to be gay. Some choose to be straight. I also know people personally who are wired straight but chose to be gay. Every single one of them was abused as a child by someone of the same gender.

I wonder what the data on the rest of the population looks like. Would it show a similar pattern?

I would offer that there is a large majority of people who thinks it would and THAT is why they hold the views they do.

This is a good page to read

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation...

It has a lot of info discussing this subject with sources. One of the paragraphs mentions pedophilia isnt an attraction to any gender specifically but to age.

Thanks, I'll look over it in detail later, but a cursory glance

brought up a problem.

I'm not proposing that pedophiles prefer their own gender over age, but rather, if age is the only attraction, why are more of these cases with the same gender than with opposite ones? What does the data show? (that link may have it, I'll have to read more)

What I caught at first was that link wanted to talk about people's perceptions of gays and pedophiles. That is what we are discussing here. But what is at immediate issue is what are the relative incident levels?

If gays are only 10% of the population (just to throw a number out there randomly) then that means only 10% of pedophiles should be gay. But is that the case? Are gays not disproportionately represented amongst pedophiles?

And if they are, does this mean in reality a larger percent of the general population is really gay, or does it simply mean gays are more likely to be pedophiles than straight people? (not that all are, but a larger percentage are)

I would summarize it for you

But I wouldnt do it any justice, I do believe most of your questions will be answered once its thouroughly looked over, its quite long.

Love has nothing to do with it.

Sex is not love you pervert. They want deviant sex because that is what gets them off, nothing more. So you can't argue against deviant child sex just because you don't like it. That makes you a hypocrite.

They want deviant sex because

They want deviant sex because that is what gets them off, nothing more.

Do you know any gay people? Who made you the authority on what gay people "want"?

I don't play, I commission the league.

You have proven to me that you have never once met a gay couple

You talk of things you know nothing about, you are the only hypocrite here. Im assuming you are married or have a significant other. What if the world was reversed and heterosexual love was 'abnormal'. How would you like me to tell you that your feelings for your woman wasnt love but perverted lust. Youd feel indignant. Why? Because I know nothing of you and your feelings to your woman, its not my place to judge. How people can be so arrrogant and tell people how they feel or supposed to feel is baffling.

"What if the world was

"What if the world was reversed and heterosexual love was 'abnormal'"

Then we wouldn't have babies and we would die off in two generations. AS WE SHOULD.

Why not ask "What if the world was reversed and grown men HAD to sleep with children?"

Its an absurd and ridiculous premise.

"How would you like me to tell you that your feelings for your woman wasnt love but perverted lust."

You can love anything you want to. You can even love a tree, a sunset or a dog. But when you want to have SEX with those thing - it is perversion.

You have a hard time thinking outside the box.

There's this thing called invitro fertalization thats very popular amongst gay people. That and surrogate mothers make continueing the population not an issue. Its not a ridiculous premise, its called walking a mile in someones shoes and seeing from their perspective. Or as Ron Paul would say 'living by the golden rule'

Also, whem have trees, sunsets or dogs been able to give consent to sex?

I'm not telling you that you can't do what you want to do.

As a libertarian (small "l") I believe in equal protection under the law, and you have the right to do anything you want in the privacy of your bedroom. I am not with the Santorum bedroom police.

You have the RIGHT to be mentally ill. Just like a heart patient has the RIGHT to be physically ill.

Im happy you believe in equal protection

But the similarities stop there. Homosexuality is as much a mental illness as being left-handed is. I have a lot of gayfriends who are some of the best people I know who have their shit together better than most people. Hopefully you too will meet such wonderful individuals as I have so you have review youre beliefs.

I have some friends who are gay,

They are nice people too, even though they are mentally ill.

I have some friends who have heart ailments.

They are nice people too, even though the are physically ill.

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What about love between 3

What about love between 3 adults? Then maybe 5 adults together all having dreams? Sounds so great doesn't it?

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

Yeah, actually that does sound great, I love threesomes.

I personally dont give a flying fuck about what people do in their bedrooms, if they are able to love three people and they can make a system where it works in their interest, good on them. You know, sometimes when a man and a woman are in bed, they can do some kinky abnormal stuff. Does that mean they have a mental illness? Is the only normal sex acceptable to our society, heterosexual missionary style? If so, Ill stick with the 'mentally ill' people.

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I personally......

Find it pretty comical your DP name has the word "Lady" in it! Need any suggestions for future names?

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

I feel your attempt at an insult is pretty comical

I dont answer to words that were invented to shame women. You think me a slut or a whore? Thats fine. Im a lady who knows what she wants and isnt afraid of chauvinists and their judgmental mindsets. Have a nice day.

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ok im sorry

la·dy (ld)
n. pl. la·dies
1. A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
2.
a. A woman regarded as proper and virtuous.
b. A well-behaved young girl.

My idea of what a lady is was wrong.

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

You know what they say

Well behaved women rarely make history ;)

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So thats what you are into

Making history huh. Are you bumping your comments up and mine down? ;/

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

Lighten up a little

I dont think my name is going to enter any text books, but Id like the people who know me remembed me as someone who was true to herself even if people disagreedwith it.

And to answer your question, no I have not. There has been a very odd mixture of voting going on with me in this thread :/

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Cool

that's a great goal. I hope you keep that way of thought. I would like you to know that in no way am i hostile towards you even though we are on different sides of the coin about the original issue. It is sometimes hard to know how people truly feel, if all you do is read the text. It's like text messaging over a serious argument. Someone might not truly understand the sincerity behind the issue. Keep on keeping on Lady_PHX.

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

Likewise

Id love for more debates to end this way. Peace brother ;)

"If so, Ill stick with the 'mentally ill' people."

Sounds like you already are.

And why is that

Because my tastes dont conform with yours? Because Im not prudish enough? By your definition, 98% of the populace has some form of mental illness.

98% of the population is homosexual?

I tend to doubt it.

Kinky stuff between men and women is comething absolutely different.

Kinky stuff between men and

Kinky stuff between men and women is comething absolutely different.

How so? It's still two consenting adults.

I don't play, I commission the league.

I don't share your opinion

but I respect that you don't automatically consider "abnormal" as reason to discriminate.

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Disgusting

Disgusting.

I can think of a couple things I'd like these so called psychiatrists to experience, say, in a prison of grown men locked up for violent crimes.

That might help them get clues on when and why some things are never "overstated".

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