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Seeking Your Advice On Becoming A Prepper

Hello Friends of Liberty – Would any of you who have experience in the following areas be able to help novices such as my husband and myself? We want to get prepared for the fiscal fall and in general be prepared for storms or power outages, etc and not be dependent on the government past a week for food, or a day if its below freezing. We appreciate the principled independence of the users of the Daily Paul and thought we could get some good advice:

1.Is it wise to withdraw our IRA and turn it into hard metals, such as gold and silver?

2.If so, what gold and silver have you found to be the best with the least amount of profit being swiped off? (ex: do you recommend buying it from an actual store or is there a lot of overhead we'd be paying for to keep their heat and lights on?)

3.Coins or bouillon?

4.How do we know what do look for to make sure, if needed, we can easily sell it to convert to Federal Reserve notes in certain situations?

5.What places have you found that have long-life food that actually tastes good and is affordable?

6.Any tips on what to do with water? How do you store that kind of quantity of water?

7.What about defense? Most of ours was destroyed in a flood. What do you recommend we acquire?

Thank you VERY much!



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First rule about being a prepper is...

I thought it was pretty funny when someone pointed out that all of the people who broadcast how prepared they are will likely be the first targets by government or standard looting in a crisis.

If you are serious about prepping, it's probably best to not tell anyone.

This is a good point

but I don't see much problem.

I'd say it's wise to get friendly with neighbors and help them be prepared. When SHTF they will be either with or against you and it's better with so they shouldn't need what you have.

Nobody else doing random looting would know. And I don't think home invasions would catch on. I've been paying attention and Americans have been stocking up on arms, says news reports not having anything to do with this site.

As far as the government it would be more a problem if there were not so many of us. I think we underestimate how many of us there are. Two examples: I walked into a McDonald's and was surprised to see a Ron Paul sticker someone put on the door. Another time I was at a library checking the Daily Paul and someone comes up from behind and whispers 'You support Ron Paul?' 'Yep' [fist bump] :) I've seen similar stories mentioned on this site.

I agree that it's a dumb thing to brag about

But I don't talk about prepping to brag. I talk about prepping to show people that it's something that sane people do. I talk about prepping because I want other people to be prepared. To me, prepping and liberty go hand in hand. Talking about prepping might make me a target, true enough, but this is something I'm willing to take some risks with, because it can save other people a lot of headaches and heartaches.

The other side of that coin is

that if your neighbors are all prepping, there will be less risk to you when it is finally needed.

1.Is it wise to withdraw our

1.Is it wise to withdraw our IRA and turn it into hard metals, such as gold and silver?

---I wouldn't, I would reallocate. You should instead have that money moved into mining stocks and away from treasury bonds. Treasury bonds are what is directly effected from a currency change which also effects Bank CDs and deposits. Remember it is the Federal Reserve Note that will collapse and will be replaced with some other form of currency. Commodities will still be needed be it cotton, grain, and etc. That is if its a hard crash. In a soft crash businesses will still be around and providing dividens.

2.If so, what gold and silver have you found to be the best with the least amount of profit being swiped off? (ex: do you recommend buying it from an actual store or is there a lot of overhead we'd be paying for to keep their heat and lights on?)

---I would go with physical coins at a local dealer. Go for .999 TROY ounce silver and get as much as you are comfortable with. If you have serious money, go with small gold coins IF you can still buy them. The gold ship has sailed for many people back in 2011. Silver is still something you can get in large quantities.

But WHY should you do this? Only to protect your current value. The prices may go up and down, but when I did it, I KNEW I was simply trying to protect 5,000 dollars of savings in 2007-8 money. Now I have peace of mind, not getting richer. If you want to accrue a revenue generator, you need to invest in mining stocks that generate profit to shareholders.

3.Coins or bouillon?

---Coins generally. Bullion is just a different retangular shape, they come in 1 Troy ounce as well. As long as it says .9999 or .999 Troy Ounce. Companies may want to sell a collectable bullion of 1 troy ounce silver, but it is no different in value than 1 troy ounce of silver coin

4.How do we know what do look for to make sure, if needed, we can easily sell it to convert to Federal Reserve notes in certain situations?

---.999 Troy Ounce is the undestood industry standard. 24 or whatever karat whatever is just jewelry and subject to the dealer offering price.

You want to look and see .999 or .9999 and then see "Troy Ounce". That is subject to market value and will be typical to the price asked unless it is a rare coin with historical value. THEN the numestic value will increase beyond the normal currency exchange.

5.What places have you found that have long-life food that actually tastes good and is affordable?

---You can make your own Pemmican.
http://www.paleodietandliving.com/paleo-diet/pemmican/

6.Any tips on what to do with water? How do you store that kind of quantity of water?

---I don't worry about this personally. We have access to well water where I live and a wind powered water pump.

7.What about defense? Most of ours was destroyed in a flood. What do you recommend we acquire?

---You'll have to explain why your defense was destroyed in a flood there. But generally do TWO things.

1. Buy firearms/weapons and learn about them and how to use them. (It isn't enough to know how to shoot, but you also need to learn how to clean, if you are not able to add multiple types of ammo to your gun, and etc)

2. Find local Ron Paul supporters and prepper groups and get yourself in a network with them. You need people you can trust and are concerned the way you are and are ready to prep and are already prepping. You can either find that from a local area Ron Paul group a lot of the time. If not, such as your Ron Paul group doesn't have any body who is as familar with prepping as you. You need tap into the brain pool of prepping organizations so you can pick up on knowledge such as farming, water distilling with heat, food storage, coordinated defense strategies against looters/or other threats.

You don't need to pool your resources unless you situation is just generally bad. You don't want interdependence. You want each member in the group to be self sufficent. What you want from your network is a tight organization and multiple contingency plans.

Some people may not be taking this prepping too seriously

to those people, I strongly suggest you at least buy 2 weeks worth of food and water. By then any rioting (should it even happen) should subside and goods should start to flow in slowly.

Other than that, you need to strengthen your community bonds and relationships. You need to look out for one another in time of unrest.

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1. Depends on the specific IRA you have, and what options are available in it. Sometimes your IRA will allow you to invest in precious metals, sometimes they won't let you do PM's but will allow investment in tangible assets like rural land, etc.. If that's an option, it may be less costly to reallocate into more inflation-proof or crash-proof assets than packing the whole thing up. IMO, it's a bad idea to be putting money into stocks or bonds right now though. I put money into a 401k because my employer matches. When I change jobs or get laid off, I'm liquidating.

2. This is an online service that will look for bullion or coins based on a number of criteria that you can select:

http://www.goldshark.com/

Also, if you've got a coin store in your neighborhood, they might actually be your cheapest option.

3. I like eagles, maple leafs and kruggerrands because of how easy they are to sell on ebay when I think a dip is coming. They're easily identified and thus more widely accepted.

4. I've sold silver rounds on ebay and back to the local coin store. It's just like it seems. The brick and mortar place usually offers 5% below spot for me, and with ebay I can get above spot, but it costs my time to put the thing up for auction and ship it. Once I had successfully sold a few rounds for FRNs, the wife became a lot less resistant to owning metal. Also, get a safe if you're going to make a habit of this.

5. A herd of cattle? I'd rather have a small farm than a warehouse of MRE's. You should get into growing some of your own vegetables if you're not already. It's relaxing and good for you. We have a stockpile of rice and whey protein powder for the really dire straits.

6. If you live east of the Mississippi, it's better to have a way of purifying/sterilizing water than a large stockpile of water (e.g., a Berkey lite water filter, a reverse osmosis system, or a lot of iodine tablets). A rain barrel can get you a lot of extra water storage in a pretty inconspicuous way. Also, a backflow preventer on your water heater can make it into a large tank of potable water to get you through an acute crisis.

7. I would say home defense is more about having secure doors and windows than a 12-gauge, even though the latter certainly helps too. But it's much better to have a house or apt. that's hard to break into. Get shatter-resistant film for your ground floor windows and steel doors with deadbolts, and some cheap cameras that can be linked to a smart phone, for your garage and maybe a hallway.

The only advice that I can offer...

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Everyone's comments are fantastic! Thank you friends!

Does someone have a recommendation on a manufacturer of bullion rounds that is for sure a genuine line and not full of fillers?

Also, our local coin shops are telling us $2-$4 over spot on silver 1oz. rounds and $75-$100 over spot on one oz of gold rounds. Is that about normal?

Thanks again!

5-10% over spot - to be expected and respected

This is their spread - the amount they must charge to pay their employees, pay the rent, electric etc, AND account for unpredictable fluctuations in the market.

Totally normal, expectable, and respectable.

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the silver sounds right

2-4 over spot... but the 75-100, i'm not sure...sounds a little high to me, but then again, i buy online.

Do you have a link?

It would be nice to have an online source we know is legit :-)

We really don't know how to ensure that coins are genuine or forgeries.

Any ideas....anyone?

Thanks!

link

http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/

I have used them several times.

I did get shorted one junk silver quarter (pre-1965) and they made up for it after I called them on the phone. The guy told me that they video record all the shipments as they are packed. I don't know what the result of their recording showed, if it were a miscount on their part or a wayward employee. It doesn't matter in the end because they placed the customer first.

I do recommend video recording the unpacking of your shipment (from anywhere that you buy), just to keep everything on the up and up. Make sure you have a clean work area and good lighting. Don't forget to charge the battery and clear enough storage on your memory card. Maybe even do a dry practice. Video record the unpacking and take an inventory in one shot. don't stop or pause for anything.

One thing that I like about Gainesvillecoins, is that you can lock in your purchase price with a credit card (5% of the total) and get to a bank within 24 hours to do a wire transfer (typically about $25)

I believe they were one of the first to do this, but I could be wrong on that. I just know that I am familiar with the layout of the site and have compared their prices to some of the other sites that DP members use (kitco, Apmex) and didn't see much of a difference, so I stick with them.

Water is the most under

Water is the most under prepared for item on the list. people get a few 55 gallon barrels and think they are prepared. That will work in a short emergency maybe a week or two at best for drinking only but any longer then that and you need a renewable source.

The most over looked method is rain water collection for a renewable source. Don't believe all the hype about polluted rain water unless you live next door to a polluting factory of some sort. Rain water is usually cleaner then rivers lakes and streams these days and it can be filtered like any water.

1 inch of rain on 1000 square feet of roof is 500 gallons of water. get yourself 4 of those 250 gallon plastic tanks that come in the metal frames and stack them and feed your rain water into them. That is 1000 gallons that is some serious water storage. If you have room you can store more. You can also build plywood tanks with vinyl liners or fiberglass liners. Also fero-cement tanks for a permanent source to supply all your needs. look em up on line.

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A lot of good answers listed below

to your questions. My two cents is that if you live in a cold enviroment consider getting a diesel generator and a biofuel maker to supply it. Cold weather can kill you in an hour. If all else fails...bring your animals inside, especially horse or donkey. They put off a lot of heat, stink but, you will live. Safe fuel tent/cabin heaters (non electric). Watch out for cooking tabs for C rations. Puts off a lot of toxic fumes. Nearly killed me once while in the Marines.

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You made me think of one more

Steam engine!!

I built a small steam engine out of a weedeater motor. (my first ever) I'll be working on a conversion of a 5hp mower motor in the summer. Doesn't take much to modify them from what I saw so I'm going to try it. The steam can be a little dangerous but as long as you babysit it and DO NOT leave, it works great and it's safe.

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1. Yes, especially Silver.

2. I buy local when I do and don't leave a trail. If I have to pay a little extra for anonymity, it's really worth it, I think.

3. Coins or Rounds

4. FRN's will be worthless, even more so than they are now, that's why I'm buying silver. :)

5. Emergency Essentials but you can do the bulk of your food prep yourself and save a bundle.

6. Water is tough if you want to be somewhat mobile.. You can get 55 gallon containers for water online at most preparedness sites. I also recommend some form of purification ability as in filters or tablets and even bleach, I believe can be used.. of course the old tried and true boiling works also.

7. SKS, 22, 12 guage and assorted handguns. Around 1000 rounds for each with another 1000 rounds of non-lead ammo for any gun you'll be using for hunting.

8. Buy secluded farm land now, for later.

9. Start raising rabbits, chickens and goats now. Fresh eggs, chicken meat, rabbit meat, goat meat and goat milk to consume and make dairy products out of will come in handy.

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off the top of my head...here's my quick list of things to do

Of course there are many variables depending on your particular location and personal situation, financial and otherwise. But having to give advice to somebody who is starting from scratch and all things being equal, here is what I can come up with on short notice. Be prepared to drop some coin.

1) get into PMs. the best advice i have heard as of late (Doug Casey et al)was to be about 10-15% (of your investment portfolio) into gold or silver. That advice may change based on the pace of current events.
There is no downside to owning physical. There is no counter-party risk to having it in your possession. The only risk is if you overextend yourself financially to obtain it and are not liquid enough to meet your monthly living expenses. You get a better deal on bullion, but smaller denominations make more sense because in all likelihood that is what you will need for bartering and trade. Gold has quite a ways to go before we see the end of this great unraveling but silver may actually turn out to be the superstar in relative terms of what it is worth compared to gold. Just get in and don't look back. You are a value investor and not a speculator.

2)food- I hope you like rice, because again without knowing your particulars this is what I would build an emergency pantry on right off the bat. Go to Sam's Club or Costco and pick up 50lbs sacks of white rice @ ~16 to $18 a piece. Buy what you feel comfortable with and have in your mind that you will have to eat through this to rotate the stock. 10 bags is probably a good start. Pick up salt while you are there also. grab a few cases, it never goes bad just keep it in a cool dry place. Buy enough spices and gravy to flavor that stuff up and start to increase your canned food stocks. at least if you do this you can sleep at night knowing you have something to lean on and can then take your time buying mylar and vacuum sealers, canning supplies and/or bulk MRE shipments etc.

3) food part2- heirloom seeds...get them. this is what you will be doing for long term sustainability as you live off of all of those yummy MREs and bulk foods that you purchased. That is what most of us will be doing...scratching around in the dirt, tending to our gardens.

4)water - the sky is the limit, but do start somewhere. water filters are fine provided you have access to a large supply such as a lake or river. consider starting with some food grade plastic barrels, again I think the box stores have these for sale also.

5)defense -a basic battery should consist of four long arms. A .22LR, A 12ga shotgun preferably slide action, A large caliber hunting rifle such as bolt action .308 or .30-06, and a military style sporting rifle that uses high capacity magazines such as an AK or AR. If you have these four you should be able to handle most hunting or defensive needs. I did not mention pistols, because again not knowing if you live in city where it is difficult to get or not, but real quickly...a .22 target/hunting pistol and any Glock model will do just nicely. There are thousands of defensive handguns but Glock really did their engineering homework and made them user friendly especially in high stress situations. (KISS principle)

6)Neighbors- get friendly...for obvious reasons

7) cash - keep some cash on hand, enough to cover all of your expenses for one month at least. Yes the dollar will go down, but in the meantime you will need access to the basic necessities. Don't expect ATMs or credit card systems to work if the next credit crisis extend beyond inter-bank lending...which, may very well be the case on the next leg down.

8) take it from there - there's a thousand things to do and to learn, even for those of us who have started prepping I don't think we will be fully ready before this all blows up in our faces.

good luck

I think that 10-15% is

I think that 10-15% is horrible advice. :)

I'm ALL IN when it comes to silver. My total percentage is much closer to 100% than it is 15%. :)

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
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I am above that number myself

but I use it to ease people into the idea of buying gold, and I tell them it's not my special brew of financial advice, I just point to Doug :)

I am amazed at how reluctant people can be sometimes...conditioning and unwillingness to take a chance are powerful things to contend with. Just the other day I must have given my entire lunch break snapping a coworker out of his fog as to what is really money. I mean I was breaking sh#t down for him, things he never heard before...the surprise was visible on his face. Then he sat at the computer where I showed him some websites and he was checking prices and you could see the reluctance setting in again.

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1. Yes
2. Actual store. Markup plus shipping negates most online bargains
3. Coins
4. U.S. Eagles or Canadian Maples are most trusted if you want to sell back.
5. Go-foods, fka, eFoods
6. dunno
7. pistol, shotgun, rifle

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

By the way

for those wondering about aquaponics or why it gets such love/recommendation below I highly recommend watching this video:

http://theurbanfarmingguys.com/aquaponics-how-to

Also theurbanfarmingguys.com is AWESOME and a site I think all DP'ers should checkout!!!

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My advice is...

1) Start Prepping
2) Keep Prepping
3) Then Prep some more

1.Is it wise to withdraw our IRA and turn it into hard metals, such as gold and silver?

YES

2.If so, what gold and silver have you found to be the best with the least amount of profit being swiped off? (ex: do you recommend buying it from an actual store or is there a lot of overhead we'd be paying for to keep their heat and lights on?)

BUY MOSTLY "JUNK" SILVER at local coin shops. No trail. Virtually no premium. No shipping

3.Coins or bouillon?

BULLION. Forget numismatics.

4.How do we know what do look for to make sure, if needed, we can easily sell it to convert to Federal Reserve notes in certain situations?

As long as the USDollar retains world reserve currency (which certainly won't be for that long), you can get FRNs anytime from local coin shops.

5.What places have you found that have long-life food that actually tastes good and is affordable?

E-foods Direct.

6.Any tips on what to do with water? How do you store that kind of quantity of water?

Get a ProPur water filter.

7.What about defense? Most of ours was destroyed in a flood. What do you recommend we acquire?

Good post about defense already posted.

Thank you VERY much!

You're welcome.
Keep preppin'!

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C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

There is a

trail related to 'Junk' silver in sell backs.

If for whatever reason you needed to sell back to a dealer for FRNs, dealers are required to report Junk buys over $1k. Eagles and Maples are exempt from this.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

There's much more to consider as well...

... Go to www.survivalblog.com although it's easy to get overwhelmed there. Too texty there, not enough graphics or diagrams imo.

Go to Joel Skousen's site: World Affair Briefs (Startpage it!)He has a great book (good Christmas gift) called Strategic Relocation.

There's a lot of good (starter) stuff at www.infowarsshop.com as well.
Once you as a student are ready, the teacher(s) will show up everywhere.

A Bugout community is important. Bugout retreat location. Many other items as well. Keep preppin'!

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The Champion of the Constitution

At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!

Can't really help with the others...

We're just now getting into prepping, ourselves. HOWEVER, a raised-bed garden is extremely productive - we have one, as well as a few fruit trees. Look up "Square Foot Gardening" - or, better yet, check out the book from a library.

I can definitely, however, talk about weapons. To those saying to get a .22LR and you're good to go, IGNORE THEM. A .22LR is certainly excellent to have, and a very important weapon, but it will not serve effectively for defense.

In combat rifles, .223 caliber/5.56mm bare minimum. I can recommend the M&P 15 Sport AR-15 (5.56mm) as well as any high-end AR-15s (like Colt, for instance), the Ruger Mini-14 (also 5.56/.223) the Interarms AKM (in 7.62X39), any of Arsenal's AK rifles, or the FAL and M1A (7.62 NATO). Any of these can be used for deer, though 7.62mm (ComBloc or NATO) are better.

For shotguns, 12 and 20 gauge work great; don't let anyone tell you 20 gauge is too small - it doesn't have the same level of power, but the fact is, you blast an intruder with buckshot from either one, and they are *not* going to get back up. Pump action is the classic shotgun, and is darn near unbreakable; can't go wrong with the very affordable Remington 870 or Mossberg 500. Both gauges can be used for hunting birds and deer, too!

Handguns? Personal preference. A .22 handgun, however, is far less than ideal. I like heavier calibers - .40 S&W, .45 ACP, and .357 magnum - but many people like smaller rounds such as the .38 Special and the 9mm. .380 is too small, IMO. Make sure you get a common round; few people are going to be packing 5.7mm or 7.62 Tokarev (Fun fact: the Tokarev can pierce IIIA Kevlar).