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Alabama seeks permission to secede

Peacefully grant the State of Alabama to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-s...

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I agree with all you said

Let me give you a few points to ponder. How many people in Alabama get their income directly or indirectly from the Armed Forces or corporations that feed the massive MIC? How many people in Alabama receive food stamps or EBT cards? How many small business have accepted small business loans or money from the "recovery act".

How many small businesses have filled out and received grants, loans, direct aid from the federal government? What about your colleges? Do you have any idea how much federal aid Alabama and Auburn are given (bribed) by the federal government to keep them up and running?

What about student loans. Read the fine print on those contracts?

Here is my point. You and I (and maybe 5% more) would be willing to say fcuk it and let all that free mIoney stop. But it would take at least a year or two of very hard times to get an independent state enconomy functioning. Police and local leaders (new ones not these political hacks) would have to work long hours for next to nothing during this transition period. All the federal employees would be leaving the state to go where they can get paid.

A new money system would need to be worked out. All of this would be a near utopia once all the free loaders and crooks were gone...but the transition would be messy and unless I'm missing something...most of the people in Alabama would rise up and raise hell when their federal funding stopped and they started to go hungy. Just look at NYC right now.

Again, I'm with you and I want a way out but I don't want to leave this country. New Hampshires Free state project seems to be feesable but I was born and raised in the South. I like NH. I've been there and it's cool in more ways than one. But all my friends and life support connections are here in the South.

No question something has to be done and will be done...hopefully we can avoid another civil war.

Good point.

I know there are numerous local and state taxes that generate very large revenues. The cigarette tax is one of them.

Could seceding cause a state to raise its taxes or create new taxes out of necessity?

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Revenue

It would create the need for a sound monetary system, internal to the state. The federal funds would quickly be replaced by the tax revenues that no longer go to the disinterested in DC. Spending, and even savings, could all be more locally controlled with real oversight from the residents of the state. They could set their tax rates where they choose, depending on how much power they want to give the government. They would be free to live within their means, no longer tied to trillions in spending they did not agree with. The ONLY way to restrain government is to be in willing control of how much of our money we allow them to spend. The implications are endless. They could decide for themselves what their children should learn and how. They could choose to participate in war or not. They would be the first free Americans in a century.

Imagine a gold-backed Alabama dollar.

Would be stronger than the greenback!

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Unfortunately

I think Alabama passed the Constitutional Amendment removing the gold standard language.

*sigh*

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How silly. The states don't

How silly. The states don't need permission to secede.

Secession Petitions for Texas and Louisiana

also appear on the White House website. Such petitions seem to be ignored by everybody. Notice the Alabama petition has 41 cosigners; Texas has 291, Louisiana has 535. You need to create an account at the White House website in order to sign the petition.

I'm thinking that signing such a petition would be analagous to the German Jews lining up to collect their Star-of-David armbands.

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The speed of signature

The speed of signature aquisition has grown since you looked then, it's almost to 1500 now and an hour ago it was below 1400.

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More States

I have found two more petitions from Louisiana and Texas, very similar to Alabama's.

A state does not ask

A state does not ask permission to secede.

They just vote to do it and then do.

And such a vote would never succeed, at least not right now.

Yes it's that simple..

I'm not so sure that vote would fail.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

It's the Legislature's ballpark

That's eventually what I hope it boils down to. Just get our legislature to pass a resolution of secession like we did in 1861.

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Naw, secession is dead.

Alabama and Auburn most likely wouldn't be allowed to compete in the NCAA if that happened. That alone would cause 80% of Conservatives to withdraw their support of secession regardless if how bad things hot in this country.

Imagine the joy

in Athens, Gainesville, Knoxville and Baton Rouge. SEC fans everywhere for the first time chanting, "Roll Tide, roll on outta here."

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And the response...

To: Alabama
From: White House

MUA HA HA HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA HA! HA HAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAAA!

Thanks for writing!

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Haha good response. That's

Haha good response. That's probably what it would sound like.

As far as I know, there is no known procedure for

seceding but I'm pretty sure that's not gonna do it. :)

Not that it hasn't been tried many times before. I'm personally hoping Alaska or NH does it.. Hell any state that could do it would be great.

Those are the two states that I see trying it when the economy finally tanks.. Texas has talked about it sure but that state seems to be all talk when it comes to political dissent.

I think Alaska is generally the most promising.. They have a large group that's gaining ground in the name of secession and geographically it makes sense too.. They're like another country already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party#Regi...

NH is doing great things for Liberty... to be honest though, I'm not sure where they are on secession. The Liberty movement there seems to be gaining power positions and is busy making adjustments.

I picked them because of the spirit I see coming through so it's just a hopeful guess.

Edit for NH: Just found this on NH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_partition_pr...

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There are two HAARP projects in Alaska

So no, I think NH is probably the more likely. With you in spirit!

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There are 24 examples of a known procedure.

They just weren't able to back up the claim and make it stick except for 13 of them.

Had the colonies failed in their military campaign to defend their claim of independence, then we wouldn't even be discussing this.

Doesn't the state legislature propose a plebiscite, a referendum

and then if like 2/3 vote yes, the state may secede. It seems like that's the way to do it.

That could work I suppose.

I'm familiar with other attempts to secede historically but I've yet to find details. They usually just tell the gist of what happened.

Do you know of a specific case with details?

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Won't work

The neocons would drum up some reason to invade Alabama and nation build and instill their version of democracy, or better yet, overthrow the elected leadership of Alabama and install one of their puppet dictators.

You're probably right...

The feds would slaughter Alabama - but that loss might shine a lot of light on the truth for the masses. I wish the state of Texas hadn't backed down on the TSA issue - and let the Feds install a no fly zone - now THAT would have awakened a few people. Something dynamic has got to happen to startle the general populace...
I keep hoping some state will brave the dangers and take the lead...

All it's going to take to get the dominoes tipping

is one state to stand up to the FEDS and then you'll see the damn break.

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Stand up for what?

This is 2012, not 1860. What does Alabama stand for? Cultural issues aside, how it is any different than New York or California? There is absolutely no comparison between the South of 1860 and the South of 2012. The South of 1860 was dominated by the Jeffersonian Democrats (aka classical liberals, aka libertarians), and seceded in protest of the Republicans' mercantilist program (tariffs, industrial subsidies, central banking). What would the South secede over today? Obama's not fighting enough wars for their liking? Not violating enough civil liberties in the name of the War on Terror? Not "leading from the front," whatever that means. Doing too much "apologizing for America," whatever that means? It's a shame, but the politics of the South seems to me to be the exact antithesis of what it used to be...like they got Stockholm Syndrome from the years of military occupation.

Before any State secedes, at least one State needs to stand for something worth seceding over.

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Liberty.

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Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

The majority of the people that care about politics

here get their opinions directly from FOX news. At least the ones that I know do, and I've been here all my life. Not sure where you get your (collective) Stockholm Syndrome opinion from...

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Good Grief...

This issue is NOT about Alabama or the "South" - it is about when, or if, ANY state (out of 50) will stand up to the feds by defending the Constitutional 10th Amendment states rights - maybe Colorado or Washington State will fight back over drug laws - or Arizona and illegal immigration - or Texas and the TSA...or Pennsylvania and raw milk -
It is really unnecessary - and totally off topic - for a negative tirade about the South. Your biases certainly took a spin off on that one. Who cares if it is done in the "South" - let the North have the balls - or the West - "WHERE" is totally not relevant to the issue at hand.

"Before any State secedes, at least one State needs to stand for

something worth seceding over."

What the fuck are you going on about. What you're talking about has nothing to do with what I was referring to.

I was talking about the states standing up for something as he mentioned with Texas.

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And I'm saying...

...that no State currently has a government that differs substantially from the federal government on any of the key issues: central banking, foreign policy, the welfare-state, economic central planning, etc. Hence, I say, secede over what? Look at the current government of Alabama (neocons), look how the majority of the population just voted (neocon)...what the hell would they secede over? To secede over the marginal-to-imaginary differences between mainstream Republicans and Democrats would be farcical.

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