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Anyone on the DP become a Ron Paul fan after being a liberal?

I feel like most stories are "I used to be a neocon but then I saw the light". It's my gut feeling that a significant percentage of Ron Paul supporters used to be "right-wing" politically. Personally, I'm far more of a "reformed-liberal" (not that I was very political at that time).

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I just had to log in when I

I just had to log in when I saw this, I'm still a liberal, just as Friedman was a liberal. Though I'm no american so I'm not bound by your addiction of linking liberals to the democratic party and calling everything socialistic to be liberal. I'm sure as hell that Mises and Hayek would have considered themselves to be liberals.

It's long over due that the socialists have kept that word in america...

I was

I bought into change BS and voted Obama in 08. I watched Jon Stewart and Colbert as my only news source for two and half years before eventually being turned out by the liberty movement. Whew..

"you're a funny dude, but who gives a fuck about that? I don't care about someone's wit, I care about the courage of their heart and the honesty of their mind."

Much love to every ex lib out

Much love to every ex lib out there now supporting Ron Paul. I'm an ex neocon and libs got one thing right...repubs totally lack compassion. Locking people away for plants is justified and killing all muslims is in the Bible I swear!!! Nah jk last I checked Jesus saved a prostitutes life, told us to LOVE (not bomb...) our enemies and not to judge. Marijuana was created by God...repubs say "Lord, you made a mistake..we'll fix it!" Also, helping the poor is very Christ-like. I think that some liberals feel this way, they just need to remember its stolen money.

One world, under government, with power and money for the elite

It is so funny that you wrote this!

The other day my boyfriend's friend from high school came over & saw a Ron Paul book on my coffee table & asked who is reading that? I said me, its the third book of his I've read & we caucused for him. She said she was surprised b/c I looked more like a liberal. I looked down at my shirt & busted up laughing: it was a tie-dye shirt w/ a peace sign (from a snowboard competition). I told her more like a libertarian! I later thought of a bumper sticker "Does this tie-dye shirt make me look liberal?"

RP made me liberal, lol.

RP made me liberal, lol.

I was a liberal/progressive type before I was a neocon

Does that qualify? I voted for Clinton in 1992, also voted for Feinstein and Boxer as senators for California around the same time.

I was never a social conservative, but I got a little crazed military/foreign policy-wise after 9/11.

I used to be liberal. I saw

I used to be liberal. I saw capitalism as not evil but spawning evil big corporations. I didn't hear of the concept of crony capitalism. I thought the problems were mostly due to big companies cutting corners and screwing people. Like most liberals I was ok with small businesses and favored an income limit. I thought single mindedly trying to make a profit was evil because it didn't take into account what was best for everybody. I thought it was inefficient having multiple companies compete with the same product because of the wasted overhead and convincing people to buy things they don't need, so I liked the idea of communally run businesses.

Now I understand that capitalism works because in every trade both sides benefit and more wealth is created. And that it's more efficient having competition because it keeps prices low, and the innovation it encourages creates value and more wealth. And that without a profit motive most people simply will not work. The 20th Century Motor Company drove that point home.

I tried creating a "what turned you?" thread, but nobody seemed interested in understanding the liberal mindset and how to reach them. People here just want to vent and blame.

Rush destroyed the word liberal

So much so that Classical Liberal was coined to distinguish between terms.

A Classical Liberal recognizes and protects personal rights and property.

Some things must change and some things must not.

Marx created a system where some must gain and some must lose. The oppressed and oppressor locked in immortal conflict unto annihilation. Then out of utter poverty and desperation a new utopia emerges. Impoverishment means having no capital goods. Out of desperation communism emerges.

Eliminating capitol and free market means of "managing" capitol is not a solution it is insanity. In a voluntary market, both parties gain or the deal is rejected. No, Thank you or Yes! please leaves all parties free.

We can skip to the chase. Death or Harm by Government seems to come with other solutions.

Leaving Mayberry. Welcome to Hazard County.

Keeping the peace versus taking a piece.

What is the proper role of government?

Free includes debt-free!

I voted for the first time in

I voted for the first time in 2006, and voted for the Democrats. I listened to Air America radio because my mom did. I disliked George W. Bush because of his foreign policy. I was liberal, and was in favor of taxes, etc.

It wasn't until the 2008 debates where I started to, and finally did change my mind about what sort of philosophy I believe in.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

I was a delegate here in

I was a delegate here in Missouri for Ron Paul and now a anrcho/capitalist. In 08 i couldnt vote quite yet and was waving my flag for Obama, unfortunately. Then he didnt do anything he said he was gunna do and i had already looked into the libertarian party and found Ron Paul somewhere in those searches. I see liberals as people that believe in liberty but dont understand the economics. I am 21 years old also so alot of Young libertarians are in fact coming from the liberal side. The older libertarians are coming from the neocon side... 75% of my generation if not more in these areas respectively: believes marijuana should be legal, gay marriage should be legal, and want the wars to stop.

I was a hardcore socialist in

I was a hardcore socialist in highschool and college (not surprisingly). It wasn't until I was out of the whole corrupt school system that I started actually READING and EDUCATING myself about history and economics and found out about Ron Paul.

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I grew up with...

a Social Conservative mother
a "Don't Tax me anymore" conservative father

I am..
a Classic Liberal
a Fiscal Conservative
a small L libertarian
and a states rights Ron Paul Republican!!

We are "right wing"

Libertarianism is very right wing. They call us right wing extremists. It's just that we're so far right, some mistake us for left.

Binary thinking is great for computing, for people not so much.

It's healthy to consider things in threes or fours as needed.

Which of these things is not like the other. The exclusion game has its place.

Some have suggested understanding, making and caring as useful categories.

Augustine was speaking of the idea of God. For him it could be no less than Truth, Justice, Goodness and Liberty. If there was anything better then that already was God.

Regards politics, the left-right paradigm seems to represents two forms of slavery. Using Cartesian Coordinates we can add liberty and slavery to the lower end of the Scale.

For many, slavery is fine for the other guy. Is Far-Right slavery better than far left slavery. Middle of the road slavery?

Far right liberty and far right liberty means that government takes it's proper seat at the back, if they want.

Free includes debt-free!

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you are a liberal if:
1. You are prochoice OR believe gvt has no role or mandate in protecting innocent life where ever it may be found.
2. you believe in intervention using "humanitarian purposes" as grounds.
3. you believe in foreign aid for humanitarian reasons.
4. you like and trust the UN and NATO, and believe US war criminals should be tried in the international court system(hague), and not US courts.
5. you believe marijuana should be legalized but also are 100% for it being taxed and say so, GLEEFULLY.
6. you believe you have a right to an education, a car, a home, job and healthcare. any one of those or all of them.
7. you voted for obama the first time, and then GJ the second.(GJ was the lib on stage this time)
8. you believe going into more federal debt for "some things" is OK.
9. you do not understand sound conservative fiscal policy when it comes to the federal gvt- and that deficit and debt are ALWAYS bad- whether it be running a country or campaign.
10. you do not fully understand the constitutional role of small limited gvt.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Yep

That pretty much sums up how I was in the 1990's!

Interesting List

I still am pro-choice (though I certainly respect the pro-lifers). I am also (sadly) guilty of #7. However, I'm only sad about voting for Obama in 2008. I was "asleep" back then and didn't even know about RP. If I did, I'm quite sure I would've voted RP. And one of the big reasons I did vote for Obama was that he seemed very anti-war and pro "transparent government". Obviously, he lied on both. I look back now and realize the lesson is to not trust establishment candidates because they're backed by (in other words, "bought and paid for") big money.

As for my voting for GJ in this election, I absolutely would've voted for RP but NY does not count write-ins. I just wanted to make sure my protest vote was at least counted. I still hated doing it but I felt attempting to get the LP federal funding was more important than voting my conscience but not having it get counted.

I've always been a liberal

I've always been a liberal since back in the day liberal meant live and let live, peace, and self reliance. Then when they started redefining the terms, I became a classical liberal, and then finally found that libertarian is the same as liberal back in the day. With your question are you actually addressing progressives? Because all libertarians are classical liberals.

Blessings )o(

I was a registered Dem and considered myself a liberal

HOWEVER, truth be told, I never actually voted. The first vote I ever cast in my life was as a Republican in the '08 primary for Ron Paul. I was 35 years old. I guess in reality I was actually a member of the apathetic masses {the largest party of all}.

Same here WTF!

Im getting smashed with my opinions on here as well. I want to help people and i do think government can help people too, By getting out of our way!

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

First time voting was in

First time voting was in 2008. I didn't belong to a party, but I voted for O because I believed he was going to end the wars, Patriot Act, close Gitmo, etc. Oh how little did I know.

Found the doc in 2009, and wrote him in last week. Proudest I ever felt to be an American. (even if they threw it away)

I Was Liberal

Issues of war and peace were always most important to me. When I saw Ron Paul in the Republican debates, I decided to support him even though I disagreed with his domestic policy (which, in time, I came to agree with as well).

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Im 24 now

i ust to think republican and mccain were the shizzznit. I voted for him in 2008. I am awake now and actually a libertarian. I oppose war and now actually have a savings account of precious metals!! i guess thinking the repub ticket and mccain is just as bad as being a lib?

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Raised Repub, trained demo, learned lib

ertarianism.

Family was all republicans - all into the Bushes though they couldn't explain why.

Bill Clinton came along when I turned 18 and seemed to represent youth, was the cool guy to vote for.

A liberal? Probably. But mostly because it seemed like they were the team that was most interested in leaving people alone to live their own lives which always made the most sense to me, since it never seemed to accomplish anything to try to tell other people what to do cause they never listened anyway.

Ron Paul was there in the background the whole time, was always 'cooler' ultimately than Bush or Clinton though he probably never knew it or would admit it :)

Became 'L'/'l'ibertarian by default over time.

even Teddy Roosevelt disdained pandas

I was.

I voted Democrat until 2008.

I was considered a liberal...I believe.

I'm anti-war, I loved B. Clinton (I thought), I wanted Hilary in '04 (anyone but McCain/Palin), I supported my wife to vote Obama, I hated Bush...
After years of hating the Government and their BS War on Drugs I found Dr. Paul (it was Dr. Paul's position on the War on Drugs that brought me to the rEVOLution)...Now I am a full blown Constitutionalist/Libertarian...I'm even more than that, I'm actually an Alex Jones fan too. LOL. Shit I even left the states due to the tyranny that I was seeing...
I do believe in a woman's right to choose, yet I would never take part in anything to do with an abortion...
I have only found one position of Dr. Paul's that I do not agree with...I do not believe in abolishing birth right citizenship, I believe if you were born in the USA you are an American...Period.
(I couldn't trust anyone that I didn't disagree with just a little) Since my enlightenment I have limited out in donations $2500 USD to the Dr. and I financially supported 4 different delegates, 2 in MO and 2 in MN, for their trips to their state conventions...Now I'm hurt but ready to stay in the fight...I look at it this way...The presidential race was a wash and a joke...But WA, CO, and 5 cities in MI legalized weed and this gives me hope that our mentality is catching on...As the great band, The Grateful Dead, said, "we will survive".

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!

You have "Grate" taste in music!

Love the GD!

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I watched a lady who couldn't

I watched a lady who couldn't speak our language give birth on the side of the highway on time when i was a kid. We were headed to california and witnessed them on the side of the road, they walked through the desert. Just because you have a kid on our soil does not make you american. You technically become a burden because taxpayers have to pay for your healthcare, education, and prison stay if you do something stupid. Just imagine if every time someone walked into your yard and had a kid and all of a sudden you were financially responsible just because it was your yard. You would be broke and America is broke.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

The subject of birthright citizenship...

is a tricky one I will agree...I see your side of the argument..I have to once again state, I do not agree with abolishing the birthright citizenship...I was born in The States...I loved it there...I miss it every hour, of every day...But I won't return until this travesty of tyranny is over...That being said, I sure am glad that when my Great-Great Grandmother came to The States that my Great Grandfather was considered an American, when he was born in The States...Now for further arguments sake I am part Native Cherokee (I'm not sure where that falls into my lineage) and I couldn't be denied my citizenship through that route either...But if the requirements for a person to become President of the United States are currently that the person was born in the USA, I will accept that as enough to be a citizen...I cannot find anything in the Constitution of the USA that defies my position, yet alone in the requirements for Presidential eligibility I seem to derive that a person born on USA soil is a US citizen. And as far as language...The last I checked the USA doesn't have an "official language", so I believe I would drop that racist dribble from your argument...
If we want to end the scourge of illegal aliens in The United States of America I believe it can be "cured" in 3 days...Arrest 1 white and 1 black business owner in each state, in the USA, that has hired illegal workers...Prosecute them and incarcerate them...Within 3 days of this hitting the news almost all employees would stop hiring illegal aliens, fire their illegal workers, hire legal workers, and maybe even start their illegal employees on a path to legal citizenship or legal migrant working papers...I know one thing that would surely happen...I would start a company shipping illegal aliens, that are from the south, back over...I would start by buying a large bus!!!

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!

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you sound pretty crazy dude

you sound pretty crazy dude

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain