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15 (now all 50) states start petitions to secede from the US

Warning :- There are duplicate petitions for at least Missouri, Georgia, Ohio, SC, Utah, New York, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Virginia (if you are going to vote, it is probably best to sign the one with the higher number of existing signatures - or sign both).
If you have already voted please check which petition for these states you have voted on.

As of 12:46 am, Sunday, signatures obtained by Louisiana 7,358; Texas 3,771; Florida 636; Georgia 475; Alabama 834; North Carolina 792; Kentucky 467; Mississippi 475; Indiana 449; North Dakota 162; Montana 440; Colorado 324; Oregon 328; New Jersey 301 and New York 169. Many more States are expected to follow.

http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-ha...

This is the website for the petitions (via Sally_Oh)
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

The Texas petition reads as follows:

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

Updated petition numbers as at 04:00 am Thursday.
Louisiana 34,769; Texas 106,325; Florida 31,604; Georgia 29,529; Alabama 28,252; North Carolina 27,877; Kentucky 17,131; Mississippi 16,834; Indiana 19,086; North Dakota 10,699; Montana 12,379; Colorado 19,964; Oregon 13,622; New Jersey 13,043 and New York, 13,921

Arkansas 20,957; South Carolina 21,841; Missouri 18,049; Tennessee 28,565; Michigan 17,867; Oklahoma 16,582

Added Monday :-
Alaska 7,033; Arizona 20,614; California 12,896; Delaware 6,962; Kansas 7,493; Nevada 9,378; Ohio 10,342; Pennsylvania 12,053; Utah 6,407;, West Virginia 6,694; Wisconsin 5,737; Wyoming 8,026;

Added Tuesday :-
Idaho 5,076; Illinois 4,264; Iowa 3,612; Maine 3,085; Minnesota 4,356; New Hampshire 4,583; Nebraska 6,302; Rhode Island 3,883; South Dakota 5,670; Virginia 7,244; Washington 3,251

Added Wednesday :-
Connecticut 2,036; Hawaii 2,723; Maryland 2,204; Massachusetts 2,690; New Mexico 3,995; Vermont ;

Total 50 states (+7).
Total votes 697,505 (+104,948)

Related Petitions
Peacefully allow ALL states that have asked to secede to do so and form their own NEW nation together 10,805

District of Colombia
Withdraw the District of Colombia so that the Several States might live in peace and prosperity 67.

Updated petition numbers as at 04:00 am Wednesday.
Louisiana 32,511; Texas 93,880; Florida 28,089; Georgia 26,646; Alabama 25,931; North Carolina 25,116; Kentucky 15,289; Mississippi 15,075; Indiana 16,642; North Dakota 9,963; Montana 11,351; Colorado 17,833; Oregon 12,406; New Jersey 11,773 and New York, 12,775

Arkansas 18,617; South Carolina 19,314; Missouri 15,874; Tennessee 25,735; Michigan 15,853; Oklahoma 14,878

Added Monday :-
Alaska 6,019; Arizona 17,326; California 9,960; Delaware 6,232; Kansas 6,055; Nevada 8,206; Ohio 8,606; Pennsylvania 10,306; Utah 6,407;, West Virginia 5,254; Wisconsin 3,952; Wyoming 6,788;

Added Tuesday :-
Idaho 3,428; Illinois 2,945; Iowa 713; Maine 880; Minnesota 2,605; New Hampshire 3,181; Nebraska 5,091; Rhode Island 2,836; South Dakota 4,597; Virginia 5,300; Washington 319

There are 2 petitions for Illinois & 3 for Virginia.
(I am only counting the petition with the highest number of votes, where a duplicate exists.)

Total 43 states (+11).
Total votes 592,557 (+234,447)

New Petition
Peacefully all ALL states that have asked to secede to do so and form their own NEW nation together 1,602

Updated petition numbers as at 05:00 am Tuesday.
Louisiana 26,330; Texas 60,330; Florida 17,898; Georgia 16,741; Alabama 17,031; North Carolina 15,693; Kentucky 11,061; Mississippi 11,176; Indiana 11,366; North Dakota 8,085; Montana 9,031; Colorado 12,803; Oregon 9,487; New Jersey 8,803 and New York, 10,354

Arkansas 12,629; South Carolina 10,018; Missouri 10,672; Tennessee 16,492; Michigan 11,491; Oklahoma 9,650

Added :-
Alaska 1,308; Arizona 9,812; California 4,163; Delaware 3,672; Kansas 6,055; Nevada 4,999; Ohio 3,767; Pennsylvania 6,364; Utah 2,815, West Virginia 2; Wisconsin 5; Wyoming 2,817;

Total 32 states (+11).
Total votes 358,110 (+276,629)

Updated petition numbers as at 03:00 am Monday.
Louisiana, 12,395; Texas, 15,378; Florida, 4,178; Georgia, 3,416; Alabama, 4,150; North Carolina, 3,927; Kentucky, 3,351; Mississippi, 3,296; Indiana, 3,315; North Dakota, 2,589; Montana, 2,971; Colorado, 3,221; Oregon, 2,798; New Jersey, 2,561 and New York, 2,946

Arkansas 581; South Carolina 2,716; Missouri 2,294; Tennessee 2,787; Michigan 2,573; Oklahoma 38

Total states 21
Total votes 81,481

Some numbers
If we could get millions of people on these petitions - THAT WOULD send out a message loud and clear.

Even better get more signatures on these petitions than voted for Obama.
A tough ask.

However approximately :-

90+ million people didn't vote.
63 million voted for Obama.
60 million voted AGAINST him.

Turn it into a referendum on whether Americans really want Obama and his policies, or this Federal government, or something else.
Let's have a PROPER DEBATE about how this country should be run.
There wasn't one in the election - both the candidates had near enough the same policies.

A very substantial number of people that voted for Obama, didn't actually want him and would prefer something else.
I bet more than half.

Potential signatories who probably agree with the motion/referendum 180 million.
Your job is to go out and help get 65 million of them to sign.
Are you up for a challenge?

Go out and get some of the many millions who didn't see any point in voting, because neither of the extremist parties offer any solutions and won't make ANY difference.
Go out and get the 60 million who voted for Romney.
Go out and get the 1 million who voted Gary Johnson and probably at least as many who wrote in Ron Paul.

Go out and get some of the people who voted for Obama as the lesser of 2 evils.

Let's run that by you again.
At LEAST 2 million of you wrote in Ron Paul or voted Gary Johnson.
All you have to do is go and get 30 others each to sign the petition (non RP voters). Does that sound too hard for you?
Go and ask your Ron Paul supporting friends to do the same.

Go out and get some - MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
People have nothing to lose for voting yes to this referendum.
They have everything to gain.

Let the people's voice be heard for a change.

If your state hasn't got a petition yet, why don't you start one?
You will need 150 local signatories to get the ball rolling and it appears on the net.

Lobby prominent Ron Paul supporters to support this effort.
I have asked Judgenap to try and get it out on Fox.
I am asking Doug Wead whether he will support it.

This comment below from Speciallyblend sums up my feelings on the matter exactly
http://www.dailypaul.com/262715/15-states-start-petitions-to...

"duh folks, this petition is to bring to light the frustration and expose the gov corruption in any shape or form. Legit state petitions are possibly forming. It can help expose the establishment. everyone trying to reference it can't be done or arguing reasons are missing the point. This is coming out of voter frustration and a tipping point. It is a great way to expose the gop est corruption to folks who might not of known. It is also a great way to let folks know obama/romney are the same.

Use it how you will but don't argue over the main point. Use all angles and all means to expose the corruption. This is just a vehicle 25000 sigs and obama has to respond by his own website. of course he will say no or whatever excuse to keep the establishment in power but it helps expose the establishment corruption to some degree and that is all that is needed.

If folks are so upset about an online petition. Wonder how they will feel when real ones start showing up with the correct amount of sigs in states such as colorado nevada and many others,delivered to their sec of state! If it happens or not, it helps expose!!"



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A petition is rediculous!!!

A state does not petition the federal government to withdraw from the union. A state is either a sovereign nation or it is not. The union exists because the the states (independent sovereign nations) voluntarily established the union. The agent for that union is the United States, a foreign entity to each of the states administering the international compact among them.

The United States is therefore not a country, but a agent, and before the 14th amendment had no citizens. All people who lived within the boundaries of the union at that time were nationals of the countries in which they were born - see the Law of Nations. Only by extension of that nation's participation in the union were people able to say that they were citizens in the United States, but there was really no such thing as citizens of the United States.

Therefore, citizens of the United States cannot direct a state to secede from the union because they are no longer nationals of their respective states. Their allegiance is to the international entity known as the United States and are in perpetual rebellion against the state which they reside.

In order to for a state to secede from the union it must have a body politic comprised of nationals of it, and who have allegiance to it. A state that secedes with the proper body politic is not in rebellion to the US as the US in not a country to which the people have allegiance. The (so called) Civil War is just such an example.

I wonder how a petition to their slave masters will be received. They will be in further rebellion against their own state (the US) after all, and will be met with the full force of established law.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

I will just post up my previous comment as it especially

applies to your comment.

http://www.dailypaul.com/262715/15-states-start-petitions-to...

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

That is absolutely correct.

That is absolutely correct. Each INDIVIDUAL needs to secede, not the State.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Son: Daddy can I move out of

Son: Daddy can I move out of the house?

Father: No son, you can't.

Son: But daddy I'm 18, why can't I move out?

Father: Because your not ready yet.

Son: But daddy I think I'm ready.

Father: No you're not. I'll know you're ready when you come and tell me you're moving out instead of asking my permission to move out. Now get out there and mow the neighbor's yard. He's gonna give you $50. Bring me back $40, the other $10 is your allowance. Don't come back till your done, I've got a game to watch here, now go get busy.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

That is a better summery that

That is a better summary than what I posted above. Good work!

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

I have seen the negative comments on here and I do not

agree with them.

Let's have a public debate about how this country should be run.

Because we sure haven't had one up to now.

Whether that is a union of 50 states or something else.

The public do NOT know they have choices.
Nobody has told them that they do.
Let's try and tell them.

This is a start that might raise awareness.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

We just had a public debate

We just had a public debate, on how the country should be run, last Tuesday.
Things don't look good...

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

You think that was a debate or a choice?

you can vote for Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve

or

you can vote for Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

illusion of choice

here is a theme song for you Ian56

http://soundcloud.com/gramatik/03-illusion-of-choice

its hip. its now. its wow!

Yep, like I said, things

Yep, like I said, things don't look good.

I don't know how old you are, but when I was in my teens it used to be a virtually mainstream saying, "Love it or leave it". So the choice has been public knowledge for at least the last 35 years.

Your state does not have to secede in order for you to be free from this. Only YOU have to secede. Love it or leave it. There are 2 body politics in this country. One of them EXTREMELY tiny (those who left it). And one HUGEMONGOUS one, those who, not having left it, must love it.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

California does not yet have a WH petition

I don't know when this California petition was raised but it seems a very good start for a WH petition.

Is there a Californian that wants to raise one?

http://www.petitiononline.com/casec/petition.html

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

People are brave enough to sign a petition

but are too scared to stop funding the criminal institutions that enslave us. Are you a brave individual or just some wandering generality that likes to add his name to pointless lists telling others what you want to get done?

See how brave you are.

Stop paying your mortgage, credit cards, car payments, etc. If you understand the fractional reserve system, the way our SS money has been stolen from us, and how all 401k accounts will be inflated away...any problems of "integrity" or "guilt" related to the contract you signed for those debts should fade away.

Turn in your Drivers Licsence but continue driving. The REAL ID is unconstitutional. Turn it in. STOP COMPLYING (peacefully) with all these boiling frog statutes and "laws" to "keep us safe".

Do some of these very lame things and then the State will take you serious. Asking permission from the Slavemasters to leave the farm just provides them with something else to add to their pile of evidence that the slaves are clueless idiots. Wake up to what you already know. You are as free as you allow yourself to be. No permission is required by anyone other than you.

This seems like a waste of time to me.

Better to spend your energy encouraging and electing local liberty candidates in your country. Get enough of them in place in your state and you might actually have a state government that is willing to consider secession. Until then, it's all just a pipe dream.

TY for posting Ron Paul does not think it is a waste of time

to debate secession.

On this video he says he is in favor of such a debate.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

the operative word is DEBATE

On this video he says he is in favor of such a debate.

Did you skip over and not read all of the header?

That is EXACTLY what I am looking for :- a public DEBATE about how this country should be run, how it should be set up and the amount of Federal government power.

We haven't had one.

This of itself will not make real tangible changes.

It can help raise public awareness so that REAL change might be made in the future.

I TOTALLY agree with Speciallyblend's comments.
So I included them in the header.

All of this talk about raising proper petitions in the states - how far will that get you without raising public awareness? NOWHERE

All of this talk about these petitions are a waste of time.
It might well be.
It might not be.

I am prepared to try almost anything and everything to try and make a difference.
In case YOU hadn't noticed we are LOSING. Goldman Sachs got 98% of the popular vote.
I am NOT prepared to sit on my backside and whinge.

It takes 1 minute to sign the petition.
If you have already posted on here you are already on a watchlist.

It takes some more effort to go out and persuade some of your friends to sign it and spread the word.

To the whingers, idealists and technically not correct merchants, I say :-

Get off your BACKSIDE and DO something.
Stop b*tching.

And if you don't want to do anything about changing this country for the better - get OUT OF THE DAMN WAY of people that REALLY do and are prepared to put THEIR backside into it.

B*tching on here is not going to do it.

Thomas Paine did not think it a waste of time to write Common Sense.
The majority of people in America at the time did not support him.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

WOAH there Ian56 calm down.

I posted this to my meetup of 122 people last night and they are happy to discuss this.

I tweeted it to my 600+ twitter followers and they are happy to pass it along.

I've sent it to my FOX Watching Uncle who thinks this is a great thing (surprisingly.)

I forwarded the RON PAUL from 2009 clip were he discusses it.

I think that we are on the same page with this. Cool down there fellah. I'm not ANTI-you.

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"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

OK sorry

Thanks for spreading the word.

The part of my post after the debate bit, was directed to some other posters.
I was getting a bit narked.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

Sorry but this is a load of crap

PETITION THE STATE LEGISLATURES.

For a state-wide paper ballot referendum on secession.
If that succeeds, the State Governments will then be empowered to DECLARE unilaterally their independence.

That is how to do it.
Increasingly I'm thinking this whole WH petition thing is disinformation.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Either that

or another way for Legal Criminals (lol) to get a more names on the list of names by state to pick up in the dead of night. I thought about going and signing the petition and then got scared. It is something I feel every now and then as I think of how bad things may get. Of course, my name may already be on a list. I suppose watching someone being shot in cold blood in the DR first thing this morning didn't help my outlook much.

I suppose there are things worse than being shot in cold blood.

I think this is a good thing

Sure it's just a bunch on online signatures.
But 5 years from now it could be millions...
10 years 10,s of millions...
20 years 100,s of millions...
All these ideas that we all keep coming up with is def. starting to curve space/time our future is coming in to view.
Eventually there will be that one idea that one project that breaks out.
Isn't that what a free market place is all about ?
Isn't life supposed to be fun and without restrictions?
I'm sure in 1750 people were working on all kinds of "stupid" ideas but ideas turned into reality and 26 years later nations had fallen and freedom had arrived. Kinda like the pink Floyd song.
I am sure the US government is just brushing this stuff aside but i don't think they are going to have a change 10 years from now.
If anything it will get people talking and that generates publicity.

Man what are you talking about?

Seriously. Don't you see what you just said? "In 20 years 100s of millions.."

And that sounds good to you? That in 20 years people still won't be liberated from the Fed. Really? That's a good outcome? I don't agree, I think it sucks!

More publicity would be generated by a movement that actually has a chance of succeeding. Petition state legislatures, get referendums going. THEN people will be talking about it.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

This is a good thing

if you can't understand what i am talking about then I don't know what to say.
In 1773 only 1 percent of the people organized the whole situation.
It started with petitions.
This petition thing is a gauge of the mood of the people.
Every 30 days the petitions reset this is the first time the amount of petitions have actually gone up.
Same thing in 1773.
This is the first time that I know of that everybody that I talked to have told me about the petitions.
20 years is a long time but sometimes that how long it takes.
It's been over 30 years already since Ron Paul started this fight.
Yes I agree petition state legislators.
That's the next step but this petition thing is starting to catch people's eyes.
We are getting media attention because 1.8 million people stood up.
1.8 million people that could donate 100 bux each to money bombs.
1.8 million people who could join the militias.
1.8 million people that can sway an election.
1.8 million guns that won't be taken by the fed.
This is the wave now we must direct this wave towards the local bars and the politicians.
You are right but 20 years really isn't a long time it's been 12 already since sept 11th almost.
The government had no problem spending 20 years growing sheep in the classrooms so that a majority of the people who vote will follow the masters without question.
If we have to spend 20 years to reeducate people the. That's what needs to be done.
We should look into getting the classrooms back under the parents control first before we really do anything because the minions are being grown as we speak to take our rights away.
But in all seriousness astrologically speaking right now we are sitting at 1773 with the star alignments.
We will have victory in 3 years.

Also

People are petitioning to have us all arrested and deported.
Over 100,000+ so yeah that is a threat to me and my family.
If we are not vigilant they will come for us.
This isn't a joke anymore we must organize.

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I understand that this is for

I understand that this is for "awareness". However, if it isn't done correctly, people won't look at it long enough for it to be effective.
When you are talking about "awareness" you want more than just the DP people to be aware. Once the Obama admin gets 25000 petitions for 1 state, they will look at it for just 2 seconds then just disregard it when they see that of the 25000 petitions on-line that only 150 are from the actual state....
I just hope that at least some of these states make it official. I believe only then will you have your awareness. I'm afraid all of this is just another - "get your hopes up for nothing" again.

More like individuals

Are signing petitions to secede, I don't see how this is by the states own free will. If they wanted to secede they would not ask permission, they'd just do it.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

Updated, but still false?

So, you've updated this, but you're still lying and misrepresenting this as "states" seeking seccession. Not cool.

I was just thinking

"New York would never want to secede!"

Then I saw signatures from other states on New York's petition, and then I had one of the biggest laughs all week.