I sent my father the link about the secession petitions and it didn't go so well.Submitted by ajchandler on Mon, 11/12/2012 - 12:26
How would you respond? I may have been hasty in my response but it's how I really felt in the moment.
Here is the conversation:
My father: Hmmm. let's see.
Missouri has an outlet to the sea down the Mississippi, and through the Illinois canal to lake Michigan, but a country without a seacoast is at a severe disadvantage.
Me: A country is even more at a disadvantage if the people aren’t free. I prefer not to sacrifice liberty for security. Those who do deserve neither.
My father: Except for that, Missouri is one of two states that has every resource needed for self subsistence.
Me: Does any country have the resources needed for self subsistence? Some people can survive on their own, but humans will always need to work together for the common good. This doesn’t need to occur under a tyrannical regime. If we’re dependent on thugs for survival we’re in sad sad shape.
My Father: The other is Washington which of course has abundant coastline considering the Olympic Peninsula. Washington would do will on its own, not just because of that, but because they also have an existing international border.
My Father: So who's going to muster the army to stop an invasion by foreign powers?
Me: That’s a sacrifice I feel is worth the risk. I’d rather be responsible for my own defense than be subservient to a tyrannical government that murders its own people.
My Father: The last thing I'd want is to be subject to some of the political idiots in Missouri without someone to keep them in check. This petition is just the prime example of the kind of extremism that will not be tolerated.
Me: If you can’t tolerate people with different beliefs from yours you’re going to cause yourself a lot of pain.
My father: Where will the states be when the U.S. government removes all its facilities.
Me: They’ll have to work hard to create their own. Again it’s worth the sacrifice. I don’t need protection from a group of sick sick individuals that only have their personal agenda in mind, yet they control all of our resources.
My father: How many communities are dependent upon things like military bases?
Me: They’ll be dissolved or state military will take them over. Not every town or community has to last indefinitely if it’s no longer beneficial. Towns go bust all of the time. It’s part of nature, and it’s worth the sacrifice to regain freedom
My father: The Dept. of Agriculture has a building right down the street from me that has a lot of employees.
Me: Get new jobs. Their jobs are freedom killers and a waste of resources. Keep eating your cancer causing genetically modified foods pushed on us by them. The dept. of agriculture itself is enough of a reason for me to want to secede.
My Father: Who's going to carry the mail?
Me: FedEX, UPS, etc… When there is a demand for a good or service, it will be met. Government doesn’t have to do it. FedEx and UPS are profitable and the USPS is bankrupt.
My Father: Who's going to come to people's assistance when something like the Joplin tornado happens?
My Father: Everyone wants the benefits, but doesn't want to pay for it.
Me: I don’t want the benefits. I can take care of myself. If you want benefits from a criminal gang, that’s your decision. I think it’s misguided.
My father: It will be a sad statement for any state that gets enough signatures for such an absurd, narrow viewed proposal to go forward with this.
Me: Under that premise, it’s a sad statement that the united states exists.
My Father: If you don't think a lot of this is driven by racists who don't like having a black president, and/or religious fanatics, then you're being naive.
Me: I’m not racist, racism is the opposite of what I believe, and I think it’s a great idea and sends exactly the kind of message I think needs to be sent. Racists see people as part of groups, libertarians see people as individuals.
My Father: And Grover Nordquist, who I saw on CBS this morning is just a jackass. He said Obama's campaign was based on saying Romney is, his words, "a poopy-head".
Nora O'Donnel called him on it, and said no one every called Romney that.
How do people like him get any influence other than to buy it? He's a despicable little weasel just like Reince Priebus.
Well let these people keep shooting their mouths off, and everyone, all who are already tired of all the bullshit, will realize how stupid they are, and tell them to fuck off.
Me: You must think I’m stupid, so tell me to fuck-off. It must be my DNA.
My Father: If someone approaches me to sign this petition, do you want to be there to see my response?
Me: I’m not afraid. I'm willing to stand up for what I believe is right.