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Ron Paul: Secession an Important Constitutional Principle

http://youtu.be/jvliy8rEJDQ

Congressman and former Presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul Talks about Succession and the true socialist origins of the United States "Pledge of Allegiance" to the flag.

Note: This video is not new, but I found it fitting with all the recent "succession" posts and discussions here at the DP.

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It must be a 50-State Secession!

Let's make sure the media doesn't frame secession as racism. We may even want to call it "liberation" as a caller on the Alex Jones show said Friday. Go to 47:30:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN05burTHiQ&feature=BFa&list=...

And before we secede we must get our state economy in order. Go to 36:50:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhkrm_6BrWQ&list=UUvsye7V9psc...

Lysander Spooner

Important reading: http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-0.htm#intro

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

But aren't the people

But aren't the people succeding the ones who rejected Dr.Paul ?

the civil war was about south being tired of growing Fed gov

Not just states' rights...but to escape the evergrowing federal government. That is why they seceded. That is why, at its core, so many are signing the secession petitions today.

This is the mother of all problems for civilization.

The gop is just a pacifier for smaller government people...conservatives. the gop gives them a voice to prevent violent outbursts.

All this was discussed much more openly last generation. But the media controlled the conversation by labelling anyone pro-south as racist. Right now the media is calling those that some the secession petitions kooky. Why alienate their own people when they need more people? Cuz they fear where it could lead to.

If Texas could successfully

If Texas could successfully secede, I'd consider moving there.

under rick perry?

Out of the frying pan...into the fire.

I attempted...

to debate with a fellow one time over the South's departure from the Union in 1860-61, asking him that if he thought it was wrong for Southerners to secede, then wasn't it also wrong for the colonists to secede from Great Britain? His answer was something along the lines of "They (the Founders) didn't want to declare independence; they only wanted to secede because they couldn't get representation in Parliament..." and then ranted on about 19th century Southerners acting like "spoiled children who couldn't get what they wanted", they committed treason, etc, etc.

How do you argue with that kind of thinking?

"We're going to take the government out of your bedroom, your bloodstream, your brain, your bladder, your business, your billfold, your back pockets, your bingo halls and your Internet bulletin boards." -Gatewood Galbraith

" I pledge allegience to the ...The Constitution of the United

States of America. Why pledge allegience to a symbol while the substance of our compact and union goes ignored and abused. It's time to trash the flag pledge in our schools and change it to a pledge to the Constitution.

With all due respect, I will no longer be a voting prostitute for Constitution rejecting harlots.

Ron Paul for President

of Texas!

Freedom in only 2 years.

I am packing the truck and moving to the Republic of Texas. What do you say Ron Paul?

Foreign Debt Federal

Good way of extinguishing it imo. I.E. if many States leave who is going to be on the hook for it? China would have to invade each State lol

...or they would just settle for Guam I think. Things could get very dicey. :(

donvino

Nice to See

Ron Paul on Daily PAUL for a change. I have missed him.

skippy

Secession petitions filed in 20 states-Yahoo

I can't believe it on Yahoo. 43,585 comments at 9:20pm (PST)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-file...

Lets do one in California.

Its all over the media and newpaper. Here are a few.

Examiner,washingtonpost,cbsnews,forums.catholic,orangemane,politicaljack,christianforums,baptistboard. Over 2.3M result on Google

Maybe we are on to something.?

Yes, this is getting airplay

Yes, this is getting airplay on all the news channels now. And it is being roundly rejected (laughingly) by all the people they choose to interview regarding this matter.

"First they laugh at you..."

I was abut to post the Yahoo Secession headline..now it's in

talk radio as well.

For California, hey I'm all for that...let's do it!

I'd love to see it happen,

I'd love to see it happen, but Californians are hooked on big government. It'll not happen in my lifetime.

Pessimistic

Congressman Paul sounds very pessimistic in this video. He has history on his side on so many predictions he's made over the years. Is a total economic collapse coming soon? This sort of upheaval is what causes world wars.

PattyFromTexas

Civil war maybe... Just like

Civil war maybe... Just like in many Middle Eastern countries.

The political upheavals are economic in origin.

Is is risky to sign one of these petitions?

Do you think an individual who signs a succession petition for his state would be subject to harassment or surveillance? Would their emails be read by the FBI? Would their employer be contacted?

I have been considering this but is this considered sedition or treason? As it is a largely meaningless act that will come to nothing, I don't want to do anything to hurt my career or family.

of course

but they are already reading your emails. They read everyone's emails. Listening to phone calls, posts on social media and especially this site!

Being vocal in politics has severely hurt my business. On the other hand I get a lot of Ron Paul folks coming in. So, I am poor but still happy. That is the nature of things.

More than likely nothing will come of this petition but it makes great headlines and causes discussions so that is good. In fact he might not even respond at all. When we did our free Bradley Manning petition he didn't respond in the specified time. After a lot of pressure they finally basically responded with no comment.

It's no more Treason

Than commenting on Daily Paul. You are already part of the rebellion my friend. Just by being HERE! Haha. Too bad. Take a stand. You don't have to do or not do anything these days to get screwed by our wonderful, paranoid government. BUT really, I personally don't think these petitions are real. If a state wants to secede it will do so WITHOUT petitioning Washington. It will do it the same way states pass state laws like legalizing booze in dry counties etc. Door to door on the ground foot work by people devoted to a cause. Wouldn't surprise me if the feds aren't the ones behind this crap just to get names of folks that don't like them. Nothing Obombya does surprises me anymore. Read his executive orders so far, just to name a few http://fight4freedom.net/index.php/executive-orders Peace. Hah!

skippy

If you donated to Ron Paul

your already on the list.

Besides there might very well not be a career left

It is not treason

We have every right to petition for anything. Plus government does not follow it's own laws why should we? If they lock you up, you prove our cause. You could be that shot that is heard around the world, if you get my meaning.

"I don't want to do anything to hurt my career or family."

There may come a time when you realize that not pushing things points you in that very direction..

In this case, you're probably smart, not to do it. I do not believe for a second that they aren't placing people on lists for targeting. This to them, is little more than a call to action.

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BUMP for the post

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I would side with the supreme

I would side with the supreme court in that secession would be legal if the states did it under Republican terms, and if they allowed any resident of their state to move to the USA before seceding.

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Very Well said Dr. Paul We

Very Well said Dr. Paul

We are Stonger than before... Feds need to cut cut cut period.. If not those dollars in your pocket will be good only to keep you warm or a picture frame for history. But you never know it might be all true that these globalist really want the collapse and to introduce one world govt and currency.

GREAT post!

Two words I've used to smoke out FAKE-conservatives, FAKE-TEA and FAKE-Liberty are "secession" and the obviously better remedy, "NULLIFICATION." Hasn't been fully tested on FAKE-Liberty, as the Liberty Movement co-opting by the leftist republican party hasn't fully developed yet... but the FAKE-TEA people will IMMEDIATELY melt into the LEFTISTS they are, upon hearing these two words. They will spastically start firing off "racist," "traitor," "wackjob," "redneck," etc, etc. the LAST THING a cloaked collectivist wants... are his CASH COWS leaving the farm.

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The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

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myajace, many thanks for posting this timely "history lesson"

from 2009. THIS is why I love DailyPaul! We can find latest pertinent news, timely old info & youtubes to refresh our understanding of liberty and just enjoy Michael N's seasonal meditative compositions.

I hope this liberty e-salon gets enough subscribers to make it worth for the host to continue for many more years to come :-)

Sorry, misspelled secession in video description

No big deal, but if a mod or person with capability to fix my errors happens to see this, the corrections would be greatly appreciated (can't fix myself after embed).

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