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I stand with Rand - defender

I stand with Rand - defender of the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

Personally...

I'd rather die.

as long as it's a liberty candidate - Join or Die applies

We don't need to make it about Rand. Time will tell if he'll be the guy. Someone else could show up or Ron could run again.

Frustrating. I spent a lot

Frustrating. I spent a lot of effort encouraging my parents to consider Ron Paul. They like Ron now, but do not like Rand. They are democrats so maybe you can understand. Honestly, I am independent and it is difficult for me to get excited about Rand. I can see how republicans and tea party types like Rand, but he would not be as successful with independents and democrats as Ron. Whereas Ron Paul would unite the electorate if elected, Rand Paul would unite republicans perhaps, but he is not as good at politics as his father. His father has a politics of liberty and peace, Rand's politics are more go along to get along and settle for less and rouse dramatics.

Just curious, what political positions

do your parents disagree with Rand on that they agree with Ron on?

Everyone Knows That...

...Rand Paul is just like his dad. I understand however how he can come across as too Republican for the Independant-Democrat voters. However I do think he can will go farther them his father did amongst neo-cons. Just my 2 cents.

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My parents might agree with

My parents might agree with Rand's political positions but cannot stomach his approach. This was similar with Ron at first because they had some large misconceptions about his positions. Rand was in agreement with Iranian sanctions, which indicates to me that he and some of the liberty candidates are influenced by the neoconservative thinking. Rand talks about social issues in a way that is good politics to the social conservatives but bad politics to everyone else. My parents do believe in government regulations and are generally weary of American capitalism because they view government as a solution and not a problem. So they disagree with the same positions Ron Paul has, but view him as a "good republican" probably because he is straightforward and because I have been able to explain his goals within the republican party. They would like to see a reform in the republican party, as would I, and Ron's politics have led the party in a positive direction. I'll wait and see with Rand, but I do not feel like defending his politics because frankly, I do not agree with his approach.

My mother especially likes redistribution to the poor and immigrants. I could explain that her viewpoint of Ron was a straw man and that Ron cares about the poor and immigrants. The foreign aid discussion was also difficult as I had to first explain how the money does not trickle down to the poor in those countries. Many democrats really just want to help the poor and view government as a tool to redistribute wealth to the poor. She was also responsive to my explanation about how private organizations are more effective than bureaucrats at doing this. My father used to be a republican and gets very opinionated. He would be the type to say that the republican party left him. Many democrats do not like the neoconservatives as is the case with my parents, but do believe in government. They do not view size as a problem but quality of governance. They view the republicans as very poor governors. So I generally agree.

This is something that I've noticed as well. But,

Ron's "approach" wouldn't have helped him much in the general election. You can bet David Acelrod and the Obama machine would have fully explained to Democratic voters Ron Paul's radicalness in rolling back government. I like Dennis Kucinich and his approach, but, I wouldn't vote for the economic redistributor if paid to do so. The only way any liberty candidate is ever going to win the presidency is by changing the viewpoint of about 15%-20% of Democrats on the role of government the way Reagan did. If Blue Dems go right back to supporting Keynesian, welfare, Wilsonian Democrats now that Ron Paul is out of the picture, then Ron really didn't accomplish much as far as Democrats are concerned.

false dichotomy

I support rand but those that don't don't have to "join" so to speak.

I can think of one way (and ONE WAY ONLY)

That I'll ever vote for Rand Paul for anything,and that is of course if Ron Paul is his running mate period! .

The MSM won't do it so we

The MSM won't do it so we have to get Rand's name out there ourselves: http://www.zazzle.com/rand_paul_2016_restore_america_now_bum...

I've been

I've been both critical and praiseful of Rand and will continue to criticize when wrong and praise when right. And I do not think we will ever be able to "vote ourselves liberty" through a candidate like Rand.

That being said...

What I really really don't get about the Rand haters is this? If you respect Ron Paul and everything he's done...how can you possibly think he raised such a "snake" of a son?

Whether Rand's strategy is right or will work is certainly a worthy debate. But to act like he's worse than the worst neocons is absolutely ludicrous.

If I support a Rand 2016 presidency it will be because I think it will help the cause of liberty, and for no other reason. I lean towards thinking it will, but I have some time to watch him in the Senate for the next 3 years first.

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Rand betrayed his father 2

Rand betrayed his father 2 months before the convention.

Even good trees sometimes bear bad fruit.

Rand acts like a politician. Ron is a statesman.

I was drawn to Ron because he is a statesman.

I am repulsed by Rand because he is a politician. In effect, he abandoned his principles for some perceived political gain by telling us to vote for the enemy of our revolution before his own father had a chance to be nominated.

Do you understand now why we cannot support him until he issues a profuse apology and reasoning for his actions? It seems quite simple to me, so I don't understand all the Rand propagandists that don't seem to "get it."

No more than

Ron Paul should aplogize for endorsing a few neocons here and there for political reasons.

Do you actually believe Ron Paul did not know and give his blessing to Randa endorsement? Just because Ron dorsnt play the game the same way doesn't mean he doesn't understand it.

Disagree with it fine. But betrayal ? That's an insult to Ron Paul.

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Name anyone actually close to

Name anyone actually close to a neo-con Ron has endorsed. Neo-cons believe in a moderate monetarist domestic policy and an ultra-interventionist, "democracy-spreading" foreign policy. Most of Ron's endorsements have been of people who are moderates on foreign policy. Cruz wants to bring the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Even Bachmann was strongly opposed to the Libya intervention.

Ron Paul has never endorsed an actual neo-con. He never endorsed McCain. He never endorsed Santorum. He never endorsed Graham. He never endorsed Rubio.

I'm not attacking Rand, I think he's great and I would definitely support a 2016 presidential campaign. I'm defending Ron Paul.

By talking about Ron Paul's

By talking about Ron Paul's endorsements, you are employing a ploy of distraction from the issue at hand. That's a red flag that you don't have anything of substance to put forth because you aren't addressing the issue I raised.

Rand betrayed me and the rest of us that worked our butts off to get his father elected *while his father was still running.* Rand made advertisements saying "no compromise," etc. Well, the liberty movement funded those advertisements, not Mitt Romney. So, tell me: who does Rand really work for? Well, he told us who his master was when he campaigned and worked for Mitt Romney: a man that represents the utter antithesis of liberty.

Any other story is just some kind of propaganda ploy as far as I'm concerned. Running around trying to cover up a clear mistake with more BS is just going to make people more mad; and please trust me when I say that I'm not the only one who thinks about the situation like this. Go talk to people. They aren't happy and have withdrawn support. The sooner Rand acknowledges the magnitude of the hole he has dug for himself, the better his chances are for any recovery.

He can't just brush it under the rug. It was too big of a mistake.

agreed

but they're already trying to brush it under the rug. you can see it happening right here on this forum.

do the rand supporters really think this smug politician can garner the passion and the crowds of students like ron has (sent a message worldwide). not even close. he'd be something like romney who i believe he admires in many ways.

everyone seems so fixated on putting someone in the presidency

That they forget we should be focused on stripping that office of its bloated powers instead.

Excellent point!

Excellent point!

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

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I decline both options

Neither for me. Thanks but no thanks.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

"So Mr. President, don't you

"So Mr. President, don't you go tellin' the Tang family that they didn't build that!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAAtrTM1v-c

I LOVE this speech. I think it will go a LOOOOONG way for Rand Paul and his future success within the republican party.

Rand is an excellent public speaker.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I'm already counting down the

I'm already counting down the days...

Here's America's NEXT GREAT PRESIDENT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAAtrTM1v-c

Rand Paul speech at 2012 RNC Republican National Convention

Only about 1,095 days to go until the 2016 race begins.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Great slogan

That expresses the ultimatum to Repubs perfectly. This will bring out the Rand trolls on DP, I see it already has.

No "Randy Paul 2016" - Many Of Us Will Happily Work AGAINST Him.

No. No "Randy Paul 2016" - I and Many - if not MOST Of Us Will Happily Work AGAINST Him.

It does not matter what a Neo-Con's or FAILED OPPORTUNIST Last Name Is.

That Rotten Apple Fell Far, Far Right From The Ron Paul Liberty Tree.

I am not a "groupie" that will blindly follow anyone just because of their last name.

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So...

So you will work against Rand so that a big Gov Neocon wins instead? And this will have what desired effect exactly?

Rand 2016 is a complete waste

Rand 2016 is a complete waste of time.

Better to spend your time learning how to avoid the shitstorm that's coming when the money dies.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

stunning how much energy and hatred we direct at our own

Why don't you SHOW how much better you can do and become a US Senator?

A thousand lame excuses, right? I'm not picking on you because I've got my thousand excuses, too. But the point is that Rand may not be perfect (and guess what? Ron Paul wasn't Jesus, either) but he is the ONLY Senator who even comes close to voting consonant with what Ron Paul would agree with. And - guess what? - Ron Paul endorses and still stands by him. But you won't?

And, worse, you are putting all your hatred, all your vengeance into going after the best we have instead of going after a real enemy of the Republic or (doing what really takes guts) putting your all into running yourself (and when you fail, which you probably will if you can't contain your hatred and rage) dusting yourself off and making another run at it?

Who needs the Republicrats to enslave us when we do such a good job against our own? Didn't the slogan say re3VO_|ution?

(yeah, I know I am getting a little heated myself. Sorry).

Bill of Rights /Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Do you need a politician or judge to "interpret" those 28

Ron, on the other hand, was

Ron, on the other hand, was worth campaigning for. Ron was all about the principles, and not about getting the nominee elected even though the nominee was not equally principled.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie

What's stunning is how you

What's stunning is how you assume you know what's in my mind. I don't hate Rand, not at all. I respect what he's doing, but I know that he will not, cannot become the 2016 GOP presidential nominee so I see no reason to spend time and energy working towards an unachievable goal.

If Rand runs he will be tolerated during the debates to a much greater degree than his father. All the standard neocon troglodyte talking heads will be generally supportive, to the point that much of his rhetoric will be incorporated into the campaign of the eventual GOP nominee, which will not be Rand, but a conventional neocon conservative. The libertarian rhetoric will be used by the campaign - whose nominee will have once again been endorsed by Rand - to fool many folks into supporting the GOP candidate.

The 2016 GOP presidential candidate will be a "libertarian leaning" imposter, who, if elected, will greatly disappoint every liberty loving supporter. You heard it here first.

Never trouble trouble til trouble troubles you. Fortune Cookie