Looks like Texas made it to 25k signatures...in three days:D
Though I think the method is counter-productive (go to the Federal government for *permission* after an apparent knee-jerk reaction to Obama's reelection, instead of discussion other Texans and getting the majority of Texans to agree with the idea of secession first), I do think that Texas has been itching to rid itself of the injustices of the federal government for a while, and can pull off being its own nation.
"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine
or a million, it's gonna be portrayed as a race issue.
But it's not...
...the state government? ....out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Btw...if people were serious...they'd expatriate or move...not impotently sign an online petition. That's like a child throwing a tantrum inn the middle of a grocery store.
be true, but the one thing that usually happens when a child throws a tantrum in the middle of the grocery store is that the rest of the people in the store take notice....many state governments are not better than their federal partners, but there are some that have made some pretty big strides in the right direction. It is much easier for the people to influence their state legislators than it is the federal government. I can actually go in and sit down with my state rep....try getting a seat with Obama (that is unless you have the very high admission fee).
decided to assert it's right to be free and sovereign we had a civil war. I think it is great that the people of Texas are trying to assert their independence, but I also think the chances of the Federal Govt. agreeing to let any state secede are about as good as Obama deciding to release his college records...about zero. If secession is ever going to occur, it is not going to be done by asking permission, but by just doing what is naturally your right without permission....and then that state and everyone else in the country will get a good personal look at what our federal government truly has become. The shock value alone of seeing what their actual response would be is worth the effort, IMO.
By definition, a civil war occurs when two or more parties try to take control of the government. The CSA wanted to leave the USA - not take control of it.
But I agree with you that asking permission is a waste of time. The States are sovereign and their Union is a voluntary contract - not an eternal marriage.
Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father
Texas could definitely be self-sufficient without the other 49 states. Remember, secession does not mine there will be a wall around Texas, its just that Government would be much less centralized and free to those that want it. Us Texans would still want free trade and travel between us and our neighbors. Non-Aggression pacts and so on. The only bad thing about choosing Texas is the large percentage of illegals and hispanics...who are not bad, but have been told and fed lies by the Socialist Democrats, and the education system who have radicalized alot of young latinos to hate Texas/USA.
When Eric Holder & Co come marching into Colorado, Washington, etc, then maybe, just maybe this country will learn that the Federal Govt does not have the states' best interests in mind.
this does not surprise me. Personally, as much as I can find wrong with the Federal Gov't and as much as I believe it needs a massive overhaul in regards to its priorities, I do feel that unity among the states is important in the grand scheme of the world.
"Unity" is the enemy of liberty.
1200 in 20 minutes = exactly 1 per second.
Pandacentricism will be our downfall.
That's 1,250 in 35 minutes
or one every 1.8 seconds (or so)
in the middle of the night...
at 12:30 midnight.
20 per minute=1 every 3 seconds.
59,060 at 1:05
at 1:35 am =
1 signature every 9 seconds
3:45 am. 5 per minute.
Time to milk the cows...
240 this hour = 4 per minute = 1 every 15 seconds.
Never saw a cow smile before...
'There's more where that came from'.
Now they know what I want, who I am, and where they can find me...
I can live with that.
I wouldn't sign a secession petition, since secession just isn't possible, but, this is interesting nonetheless.
Texas could definitely be self-sufficient without the other 49 states. Remember, secession does not mine there will be a wall around Texas, its just that Government would be much less centralized and free to those that want it. Us Texans would still want free trade and travel between us and our neighbors. Non-Aggression pacts and so on.
and a lot of other states would be as well. But, an attempt at secession in any state today would cause a civil war. If Obama can muster 60 million votes, he can muster at least half that many willing to die and kill for his regime. Millions of Romney supporters would chop in and help him put down the "rebellion."
Actually, even the Supreme Court decision cited in some of the newspaper articles on the petitions says secession is legal (whatever that means - was the Declaration of Independence legal?), but it can't be unilateral.
Petitioning the federal government to peacefully give a State permission to leave is perfectly legal even by Supreme Court rulings.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
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