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When did Ron Paul write a resolution asking for states to secede?

Who is behind the states seceding? Anyone have any names? Or is this just "grassroots" pulling it our of their ass and it getting passed?

Ever hear of astorturf? Astroturf appear to be grassroots but are actually have some hidden elite behind it.

So is this grassroots or astroturf?

I say astroturf.

Furthermore, seceding isn't RESTORING THE REPUBLIC but exactly the opposite.

So why the cheers?

Think NWO is the way to go?

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After-Birther Movement

The secession movement is Birther 2.0 only 99% less effective

Do you know history? Do you

Do you know history? Do you know why the Civil war was fought? it was over succession. But the Federal Government decided to use it as a giant power grab and conlomerated such a big ferocious beast in our Humongous Federal Government. Who started this movement? who knows...is it a bad idea? who knows...Does the constitution say we have a right to do so? Absolutely...It is the ultimateness of the Tenth Admendment and states rights..

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

The ability to secede is one

The ability to secede is one of the weapons the states have to protect itself from an overbearing federal government. If you plan to let the federal government walk all over you and think themselves immune to consequences, then there's no point in having the ability to secede whatsoever. You'll just be a doormat.

Mind you, even if one succeeds in seceding (which I don't think will be likely to happen), one can use the constitution and all the other documents the founding fathers left behind to draw up a new constitution. There's no reason that isn't possible.

Furthermore, if one secedes, this doesn't necessarily mean that one cannot rejoin the union at a later date. Upon rejoining, the federal government won't be so eager again to infringe on states rights. It will also remind the people of the history of the states and the original agreements that were made in that time. The federal government was never meant to be this powerful. And there's no obligation for any state to stay in the union.

The bottomline is that the ability to secede is an inbuilt check on the federal government and it should be used or it's not a check at all. And contrary to what may think, this may be one way to save the republic (atleast parts of it). Because this way, atleast some of the states might escape the dollar collapse. Now you all share the doom.

He did not... this is a Rick Perry thingy.

Anyone who jumps on this bandwagon gets what they deserve.

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Darn Granger, kind of harsh

Darn Granger, kind of harsh aren't you? That being said, I think I see your point and I don't think these petitions will really go anywhere. It would be good if they showed how disgruntled the public is though.I believe, instead of seceding, the states should seriously be looking at the idea of nullification on unconstitutional legislation.

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

What is so great about the so called republic?

Stop with the saving the republic from the start the constitution was designed to create a centralized all powerful government.

The real goal is liberty not a better government.

Please STOP Spreading Unfounded RUMORS !

Ron Paul has nothing to do with the state secession movement's !

beesting

When the fact of our collective fleecing

via the blatant and ongoing dilution of our mandated means of value exchange to fund the rule makers and those who fund their 'election' campaigns and wax poetic about their love for 'humanity' and 'democracy' and fairness, becomes basically accepted fact instead of 'crazy rantings' denounced by talking heads funded in the same nefarious ways, though even more indirectly, when the bulk of individuals internalize and understand how their struggles to be wealthy and happy are all rooted in the fantasy of 'Dollars' or 'Pounds' or 'Euros' or whatever is instituted as a means to exchange value by habit, fear of change, force or all three, when in fact the efforts of their labors and choices simply cannot outstrip the greed, ignorance and outright MURDEROUS THIEVING GALL of those who have maneuvered themselves into control of the means of value exchange, ostracizing, ignoring, or minimizing the impact of statements in defense of retainment of one's accrued and earned wealth and the men and women who defend logic and speak the truth about how wealth is created and how it is destroyed,

THEN masses will disavow the legitimacy of such thieves, their tools of threats and fear, their abuse of nostalgia and indoctrination through theft and forced groupings of the impressionable youth, and turn toward each other in brotherhood and peace to create and exchange wealth without the machinations of such brutes, logrollers and riders of corrupted coattails.

Federal or 'national' government will become ridiculed, ostracized, recognized for its inherent danger and rejected for its use of force and arbitrary behavioral standards and forced removal and redistribution of productive wealth with no accompanying measures of value, no recognition of true ownership of one's body, one's justly gained property or one's basic freedom from unjust imprisonment.

More and more people are awakening to this basic logical idea for and of the way in which they interact with their fellows evry day, month, and year.

Understanding of the concept of liberty at the level of basic logic and the super fraud by which centrallized governments use the means of optimization of the efficiency of value exchanges among free and moral actors in the marketplace ('society') to literally siphon off the productive wealth of those whom they force to continue such exchanges, will be the intellectual key to the delegitimization of central power, bureaucracy, and arbitrarily codified 'morality' and the impetus to a world where individuals will recognize, and teach their children and their fellows, that massive theft and central economic planning and control of behaviors, men and the things men choose, produce, and use did not work, and logically is doomed to fail for all except those who directly make the rules, deliberately break the rules due to protection from their consequences or a simple willingness to risk punishments, or are ignorant or brainwashed into believing that things based in evil can be good when they are claimed to trade small veils for the 'greater good'.

Ron Paul gets it. He has taught many of us to get it, and will teach many more in his lifetime and by his legacy, his record, and the unending struggle for liberty by those who internalized his message and seek freedom and prosperity for themselves, those they love, and even those who have no effect on their lives whatsoever.

Humans are ready to use compassion , love and logic to peaceably resolve disputes and maximize the mutual value of all interactions between themselves and their fellows.

The overpaid, devious, ignorant and depraved victimizers need to be ignored and ostracized until their preachings fall on deaf ears and their victim funded enforcement mercenaries are ignored and repelled by decent people who will not strike out in anger, but simply stand with each other and against tyranny of the moneyed oligarchy and their misinformed or willfully immoral strongmen.

The day will come. I hope I get to enjoy it with my kids, and I hope all of you do, too.

Peace

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

If they wanted to secede they

If they wanted to secede they should be banging on Perry's door. Typing in a box on the petition.gov website will be laughed at and tossed out.

Southern Agrarian

I don't understand the opposition to an American tradition.

Unless you're opposed to this line

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

I don't see the problem with the idea.. secession is revolution and is a form of throwing off and abolishing your government.

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Why the down votes?

Granger is spot on... Nothing can truly happen exclusively within the "grassroots".... there ultimately needs to be a group lending credibility to a movement (RP, the Judge, Tom Woods, etc.). And none of the secession petitions, to my knowledge, cited their state constitutions, many of which ALLOW for secession as their CONSTITUTIONAL right. People just jump on a bandwagon only to be taken for a short ride to nowhere. Pay attention, folks. This is not a test. You really want to WAIT until it gets much worse? It will be too late, my friends... Yes, a dialogue will start from all of this, but without any type of focus and knowledge of our founding documents, this movement too will be co-opted like the original Tea Party and Occupy movements. Who the heck wants to put their name on a government-hating list, for crying out loud! Pay attention! Get educated! Run for LOCAL office! Learn about your COUNTY SHERIFFS! Read ALL of Ron Paul's books--collectively they are a virtual road map to liberty! Start here: http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

Thank you

Reading Ron Paul's books.. it's very interesting because it's like history combined with an issue written in resolution formats.

Calm Down!

No states are going to secede. Just because an individual files a petition doesn't mean a state government approves. It's just people showing their displeasure in the way things are. The MSM is picking up this story and that's a good thing. If it starts a dialogue at the national level, maybe it will wake some people up...have a little faith.

We Should Not Be Talking Bout Seceding Until...

...there is absolutely NO hope and right now there is plenty.

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deet da deet deet NEWS FLASH There is Hope!

There is hope that a tyrannical government will auto-magically start obeying it's own rules.

If it wasn't readily recognized,The above message of Hope and Changey is sarcasm.

LOL...

May I ask why you voted for Ron Paul? Probably because you believe that he could have made a difference. I don't know about you but I call that hope.

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I did not vote

My plan is to say I won't , until they stop telling me what to do,

Very powerful word: NO!

Very simple, ignore , evade, negate, subvert as many as possible, tell them to fold it until it is all sharp corners and stick it where the Sun don't shine.

Cease to support them and they will fall like a colossus whose pedestal is undermined. Étienne de La Boétie (sort of).

It's great to discuss

I'm all open to discussing.. but somehow I'm not seeing any disscussion. I'm seeing ACTION. Where did that come from?

Fair question I think?

I agree...

...but I am just saying that I do not think it is a good idea to talk about seceding only because it comes across as quitting. I still have plenty of hope in the U.S.A. (stressed on United).

P.S. I am all for states rights

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There are a number of avenues to ones Liberty

If they do it through secession it is no more quitting than taking up arms would be. Just another form of fighting.

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True, But...

...can you imagine what would happen if a state seceded? That would be so detrimental to everything we worked hard for. We would probably be labeled terrorists and be nuked. uh-oh.

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I can imagine and I'm okay with it

Also, I do not see it as hurting anything but only helping. 50 individual states was the way it was meant to be.. That is in fact the spirit of what Dr.Paul; talks about when he has made the remarks "50 individual laboratories for Liberty" (something along that line.)

I'm okay with everything and anything that's Constitutional and delivers to us, our Liberty.

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I Believe In States Rights To The Last Degree...

...but we are still one country. All the states are under one constitution.

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All states are voluntarily under one Constitution.

Don't worry, the end of the world won't come. It'll be business as usual, except, they'll have no jurisdiction over the state.

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Actually...

...succession would mean that they were not under the constitution any more. Constitution is a federal document.

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The States have their own Constitution as well and no reason

why the State that secedes and becomes it's own nation, couldn't adopt the Constitution as their "Federal" document.

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America...

...(guess I can't use that term) is strong because we are one. If you think it would be better to have 50 different countries then God bless ya. We can disagree. I believe in states rights to the max but I still think that we are One nation and would stay stronger if we remained that way.

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It's the way things were historically, no?

I personally could care less what the other 49 do as long as Alaska goes secessionist and Constitutional. The other 49 can burn to the ground. :)

"America is strong because we are one"

Well we disagree totally. I don't think we get strength from being a collective. I think it has weakened us tremendously.

If you believe in states rights to the max, then this should be a no-brainer for you but you seem to have a problem with it.

So, we disagree.

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I Enjoy Politics...

...meaning that I talk politically correct (to the point of being a RP supporter) and I could never imagine 50 different countries. One could never run on the platform of dividing the U.S. But you make a good point, I guess Alaska would become a new Saudi Arabia (in the oil sense) and Minnesota would have a gold standard which are both good things. If I ever run for office in the future I guess I have no choice but to disagree with you. :)

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Well, luckily, I'm not a one item voter. :)

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