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Need 80 more signatures for REMOVING Washington DC from the Union

We only need to get rid of ONE State. The District of Columbia. The other 50 should remain.

Petition needs 80 more signatures to put it on the public list so people visiting the petition site will be able to see it.

Peacefully withdraw the District of Colombia from the Union to allow the Several States to live in Peace and Prosperity.



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DC is not a state.

DC is not a state and where are you getting "just 80 more" signatures from?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

These petitions do not show

These petitions do not show up on the public list at the petition site until they get 150 signatures, it needs about 75 more to reach that point. The US is not a state as in one of the Several States, correct. Neither is this any kind of legal petition, its symbolic.

There is a problem with the States seceding without destroying the Head. You will still be a US Citizen if Washington DC remains. The United States claims JURISDICTION over all US Citizens, no matter where they live in the world.

14th Amendment 1st Clause: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

A study of the US Codes reveals that they interpret this "State" as meaning ANY State, not just the Several States, worldwide.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

and you see, this is why one

and you see, this is why one must understand the principles of being a state citizen. I, for example am not a citizen of the united States of America but rather a citizen of the Sovereign State of Ohio.

I do like this idea :)

Get rid of the one causing all the trouble so that the other 50 can prosper.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

No! I refuse to let go a perfectly good swamp! Help dig it out!

If you folk wish to help, get a shovel. We could have this place back to it's natural state in no time.

    "Properly practiced creativity must result in greater sales... more economically achieved. Properly practiced, creativity can lift your claims out of the swamp of sameness and make them accepted, believed, persuasive, urgent."
    -- William Bernbach, on rising out of the swamp of swampness
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    "We have on one side a river two miles wide, on the other one mile wide, containing a fine harbor for the largest ships. The country round rises in all the diversity of hill and dale that imagination can paint."
    -- WILLIAM THORNTON, ARCHITECT, OCT. 5, 1797

    "The hills are barren of everything but impenetrable woods, and the valleys are mere swamps, producing nothing except myriads of toads and frogs of enormous size."
    -- AN ANONYMOUS STONEMASON, JAN. 28, 1796

http://www.WashingtonPost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/magazine/...

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Needs 75 more votes to been

Needs 75 more votes to been seen publically. If you have face book then please promote it on your page, message it in other forums if you can. Once it gets to 150 it will take care of itself.

This is merely symbolic, we all know nothing real will come of this, other than to get people to think, and that's a start.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

I am surprised that this kind

I am surprised that this kind of crazy uninformed nonsense gets posted on the DP.

The District of Columbia is NOT a state of the union. And the United States is not a country. This is how US citizens are not protected by the constitution, and are therefore not afforded a "Republican form of government." It is also why they are subject to statutory law, and are US subjects instead of free people - Nationals of their native states.

A petition to do the opposite, that is bring DC into the union, would force the federal government, which never had a citizenry until 1871, to establish a republican form of government. Then US citizens would have standing in the union where currently they do not.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Well stated.

Nevertheless, It is well past time to dissolve the union and restore local control, secession is the only solution to end the illusion.

Thanks, but I'm not saying

Thanks, but I'm not saying that secession is not the answer. I'm trying to provide some information on how to do it properly... At least as far as I know.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

State: A political body, or

State: A political body, or body politic; the whole body of people united under one government, whatever may be the form of the government. Websters 1828

Under the original creation of the Constitution, correct, the District of Columbia is not a State. But under the 14th Amendment that form of government was altered. Now the District of Columbia is THE State, of ONE Nation of people. Obviously, those people are the United States citizens. Prior to the 14th Amendment you were a citizen of your State and thereby a USA citizen. Now you are a Federal citizen, not matter what state you are in. You are a citizen of Washington DC, that 10 spare mile area that originally had no citizens, now has them all. It is not that DC is not a state that citizens are not protect, it is that they have a distinctly different constitution than all the other States: the 14th Amendment which is a mini constitution within the Constitution, a Democracy within a Republic. The 14th Amendment determines; who is a citizen of this state, who can vote, establishes basic matters of law, establishes privileges and immunities of citizenship; establishes a method for determining the number of representatives for its people, and who shall be eligible to vote in elections; establishes basic eligibility to serve in office; establishes the credit of this state; establishes the powers of its congress (basically unlimited in relation to the US citizen).
Though this mini constitution is VERY basic, through the 5th clause-powers of congress, the US Statutes establish, in painstaking detail, the remainder what is not covered therein. This is the creation of the "Living" Constitution, the right to enforce through never ending legislation. This legislation has no effect upon those who do not choose to be US Citizens, it only is applicable to the them and them alone. It is the creation of a new body politic, a new State.

Eliminate THAT state, and by default you would be subject to the state in which you are from. Elimination of that one state would be the equivalent of all 50 state seceding simultaneously. The States would all have their sovereignty returned

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

I see what you are saying.

I see what you are saying. But I'm not sure your depiction of the operation of usurpation is correct. The sovereignty of the several states still does exist. The 14th amendment permits office holders elected by insurgent US citizens to essentially wear two hats: One as a de facto US subsidiary office holder, and one as the de jure public servant for the state's national government and it holds them harmless for their participation in the rebellion against their de jure republic.

And while it is true that the US is a state by certain definitions of international law, it is not a country or nation by the same standards. DC has never been granted the status of "statehood" and is therefore not part of the union under the constitution. It is simply impossible to remove something from a whole which was never part of that whole to begin with. DC secession is a pointless exercise.

The remedy for all US citizens is to correct their nationalities and become nationals of their respective natural states, which still exist in lawful constitutional union. By correcting one's status in this way, it then will be possible to direct the de jure governments in to lawful action. As you rightly state, US citizens are at the statutory mercy of their rulers by operations of statutory law, but the expatriation act passed just before the 14th amendment provides for a path to the remedy. Eliminating international statehood for the US, inc. would leave all former us citizens essentially stateless. It is a potentially dangerous trap to seek freedom as a stateless person.

So as to the point of my original post, not that I believe this to be the right course of action, if DC became a state in union with the other 50 it would have to form a Republican form of government for its people which is guaranteed by the constitution. This of course will never happen because it is too convenient to work outside the constitution by being outside the union. The constitution only applies to the states participating in the union.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Washington is the seat of the

Washington is the seat of the Government of the United States, though it is not one of the Several States, it is a part of the whole, the head of the whole. It is a part of the Union. No where is it said to be in anyway separate from the Union, only that it shall be land ceded by the states and that it shall be the authority of that 10 square mile area.

I understand the danger of being a stateless person, but just as you noted, the states do still exist as individual nations. They all have a Constitutions and functioning governments. Cutting off the head would eliminate the insurgency citizenship leaving 50 sovereign States, un united-no pact between them existing. The States could quickly legislate what needed to be done to secure needed status. The petition was not for them to secede, but to let go, just as the founders asked the British to do.

There are now petitions for all 50 states. Though these petitions are meaningless in legal terms and merely symbolic, but one petition calling for head to leave the body is the same as the body leaving the head. Arguing such technicality over something that is merely symbolic to begin with is,,,entertainment?

Its quite obvious that you've read the Red Amendment. Then no doubt you'd agree that the original "States" were foreign to each other. Just as such, Mexico is a State, Canada is a State, Nigeria is a State, any nation is the world is a State. What makes a "state" is a nation of people AND its government. The people are nation, the government is state. Washington is such a state, foreign to all the Several States, just as the States are to each other. Its is correct to say they are not a part of the Union as a State, yet at the same time they are part of the Union as the governmental seat. This is what the Romans called persona, what today we call person. Person is what you have referred to as wearing 2 hats...

(A persona (plural personae or personas), in the word's everyday usage, is a social role or a character played by an actor. The word is derived from Latin, where it originally referred to a theatrical mask. The Latin word probably derived from the Etruscan word "phersu", with the same meaning, and that from the Greek πρόσωπον (prosōpon). Its meaning in the latter Roman period changed to indicate a "character" of a theatrical performance or court of law, when it became apparent that different individuals could assume the same role, and legal attributes such as rights, powers, and duties followed the role. The same individuals as actors could play different roles, each with its own legal attributes, sometimes even in the same court appearance. Wikipedia)

Being a "person" in a courtroom, one should bear in mind...you may unknowingly be acting to be more than one entity at the same instance. You may well be playing the part of legal creation AND a flesh and blood man all at the same time. If you have a "legal name", then you most likely are.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Watch "Ring of Power"

a.k.a "Empire of The City"

he he

best idea yet.

Forget Seccession!

We need to vote to kick out Illinois and New York!

Hey!!

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Go For It

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LOL

Now THAT"S a petition. Fuck seceding.. Just make THEM leave.

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It really is the ultimate

It really is the ultimate remedy to the Nations' problems. Enough of THEIR solutions to the problems THEY created to begin with. OFF WITH THEIR HEAD, so to speak...

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

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it isn't part

of the union now,never was part of this nation

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Then why are we a citizens of

Then why are we all citizens of it?

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

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good question

you and everyone else has been bought and paid for
right along with DC
when america was supposedly bankrupt(on paper)
you see we were still using metals as payments
it right along with us were bought,or it reverted back to the
original owners
http://viewzone.com/collateralx.html
1913 first birth cert issued
1913 first central banks(fed res)
does this help?
look at this page,just for kicks
http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/Britian-Pontiff.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~loveguru/truescoop.htm
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

This is ALL established

This is ALL established through Washington DC, and citizenship to such. If Washington DC goes POOF, then so too all that is Federal, Federal citizenship, goes POOF, and all that goes with Citizenship (social security, federal income tax, federal statutes, ect.)...POOF.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

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