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The Rand Paul Evolution: Rand Paul calls for 'path to citizenship' for illegals

Politico: Rand Paul calls for 'path to citizenship' for illegals: Call it the Rand Paul Evolution. He’ll push to loosen marijuana penalties, legalize undocumented immigrants and pursue a less aggressive American foreign policy.

In an interview with POLITICO, Paul said he’ll return to Congress this week pushing measures long avoided by his party. He wants to work with liberal Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy and Republicans to eliminate mandatory minimum sentences for pot possession. He wants to carve a compromise immigration plan with an “eventual path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants, a proposal he believes could be palatable to conservatives. And he believes his ideas — along with pushing for less U.S. military intervention in conflicts overseas — could help the GOP broaden its tent and appeal to crucial voting blocs that handed Democrats big wins in the West Coast, the Northeast and along the Great Lakes.

“We have three big regions where we’re not competitive,” Paul said. “And we have to be competitive in those regions.”

Paul, 49, was elected on the tea party wave that fueled GOP landslide victories in 2010, often declaring on the campaign trail that he had a “message” from the tea party: “We have come to take our government back.”

But two years later, the tea party agenda has stalled in Congress, and House Republicans who ran on that purity platform in 2010 began to tout bipartisan compromises with Democrats in 2012. Nationally, the GOP recognizes it has a demographic problem from New England to the Southwest it needs to correct ahead of the 2014 midterm elections and the next White House race in 2016.

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In the name of everything good

please come into reality.

You're the one scaremongering

You're the one scaremongering over the Reconquista and Liberation Theology, when we have countless real pressing dangers facing this country that you are silent about, and I'm the one that's not in reality? I mean sure maybe you're right. Maybe the 50+ million Hispanics are all here just biding their time until they will rise up at the secretly agreed upon time and take over the country. I'm sure that has a great chance of happening

We are discussing this topic now

Not other perils which we face. So don't try to switch topics to derail. I'm not "scaremongering",I'm reporting the facts as I have found them.

Now,about that 50 million plus number,recently in a new push for amnesty the number was reported at around 11 million,which is the same as was reported around 10-12 years ago. We're supposed to believe that it hasn't changed since then. Your number is probably closer to correct.

About rising up at some secret time,well,I think that instead it has been happening all along. There was a big march to come out of the shadows for them in 2006 if you recall.

The politicians continue to pander to them,ever giving more benefits to people in this country illegally at the expense of American citizens.

The 50 million is the number

The 50 million is the number of Hispanics in the country. You do realize the majority of Hispanics in this country are not illegal immigrants? Then again, given some of your other beliefs, it wouldn't surprise me. The number of illegal immigrants has actually gone down the last couple years due to the economy. Which is to be expected, as by and large they are people looking for a better life and/or living somewhere else, not a part of some plot to take over the country. Politicians pander to a lot of groups more than they pander to immigrants, who are pretty low on the list. Senior citizens would probably be #1 on the list IMO

Oooopsy-dooopsy... a few corrections...

FALSE:
"It's sad to see libertarians using "ITZ TEH LAW!" as an argument."
TRUTH:
Most of the folks opposed to a violent invasion of millions upon millions of ethnocentric foreigners... are CONSTITUTIONAL Libertarians. Deceptive folks tend to omit the "Constitutional" part, because they DETEST LAW (unless they can EXPLOIT IT), and DECEPTIVELY MORPH LICENSE into liberty.

STATEMENT:
"Illegals who are committing violent crimes and violating the rights of others should be deported."
TRUTH:
This describes EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN.

LIE:
"If someone wants to come here to work and make a better life for their family, I really don't care."
TRUTH:
Nobody has a beef with this. If a foreigner seeks American, her LEGAL doors are open.

LIE:
"Making those people legal (and ending the Drug War while we're at it) solves most of the worst effects of illegal immigration."
TRUTH:
As the 86 SCAMNESTY PROVES, you only get MORE LAWLESSNESS, violent crime, etc. Only, an amnesty today (INSANE) would stress America with NOT MILLIONS like 86... BUT TENS OF MILLIONS!

REJECTION OF AMERICAN LAW:
"And the fact that there's an arbitrary law on the books in DC that says they can't cross an imaginary line doesn't really sway me."

IRRELEVANT:
"We didn't have such laws for most of this country's history."

GIBBERISH:
"It would be one thing if we had a system where it was quick and easy for someone to move here if they desired, after being checked out for criminal history, contagious disease, etc."
TRUTH:
COMING TO THE GREATEST CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC THIS WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN, SHOULD NOT BE LIKE ORDERING A FCKING TACO!!!!!! IT SHOULD BE DIFFICULT AND YOU SHOULD COUNT YOURSELF BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE, AS I DO!!!!!!!!!!!

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

First off, chill out. You

First off, chill out. You don't need to capitalize every letter of every word.

Violent invasion? Crossing a line is violence? And you seem a lot more ethnocentric than most immigrants I know

"STATEMENT:
"Illegals who are committing violent crimes and violating the rights of others should be deported."
TRUTH:
This describes EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN."

Really? Every illegal immigrant is guilty of a violent crime? Them simply being here violates your rights how exactly? You don't own the entire country, nor does the US government. Rights don't come from arbitrary government laws

"Nobody has a beef with this. If a foreigner seeks American, her LEGAL doors are open."

The entire reason there is illegal immigration is because the legal process is slow, burdensome, and expensive, especially if you don't have relatives or some other way in to the country. And yes there are people who have a problem with this.

"As the 86 SCAMNESTY PROVES, you only get MORE LAWLESSNESS, violent crime, etc. Only, an amnesty today (INSANE) would stress America with NOT MILLIONS like 86... BUT TENS OF MILLIONS!"

That's because there was no reform to the legal process, or any securing of the border. And we're already seeing a net decrease in immigration/emigration to/from Mexico due to the economy. Also, despite the scaremongering, violent crime rates have been dropping for a couple decades now.

"COMING TO THE GREATEST CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC THIS WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN, SHOULD NOT BE LIKE ORDERING A FCKING TACO!!!!!! IT SHOULD BE DIFFICULT AND YOU SHOULD COUNT YOURSELF BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE, AS I DO!!!!!!!!!!!"

Why? Shouldn't a free country be easy to move to? And who says it should be difficult? You? The government? Screw that. Libertarians don't and shouldn't buy that nonsense. Your arrogance is hilarious by the way. "EVERYONE MUST THINK LIKE I DO!" You don't think immigrants consider themselves lucky to be here? You think it's an easy choice to leave behind your home, family, and friends?

Allow me to show you a path - Mexicans are America's scapegoats

You know what it's like "down there", but you totally lack understanding of legal immigration so that you can have a proper understanding about illegal immigration. Allow me to show you a path.

Since the *very* beginning of this nation, one had to have lived in these United States of America for 5 years *before* they are allowed to apply for citizenship. Nowadays many people come to the U.S.A to study on student visas that are very expensive. They pay out of state tuition. During the period of their studies they are *not* allowed to legally work, with a few exceptions (1 year work permit, etc). Then during their OPT period they find a job that would potentially sponsor them for a work visa. This also costs money - in the thousands. Then the company sponsors them for a green card. Eventually the company goes out of business and their green card case is dropped. They cannot find an employer that would co-sponsor their green card application and they must leave the country. And they do leave the country leaving behind much of their belongings.

On the other hand, you are promoting to provide a "path to citizenship" solely based on crossing the border illegally. See my post below. What makes these people cross the border is the economic policies of the US toward Mexico. The root cause is that 3,000,000 agricultural workers in Mexico lost their jobs in the 90's due to NAFTA. It is an easy choice for them whether to risk their lives and cross the border and find a job, or to watch their families starve.

Um, what does that have to do

Um, what does that have to do with anything I said? You're just reinforcing my point. If you make it burdensome and expensive to legally immigrate, people are going to come here illegally. Where did I say I only think illegal immigrants (and not legal) should have a path to citizenship? Legal residence is more important than citizenship to me, in terms of fixing our immigration system.

I have no problem working out a way to make

lawmake law-abiding illegals already here legal under two conditions.
1. Seal the border so that it's airtight and no illegals can get in.
2. With the exception of what the Supreme Court has said states have to provide to illegals, remove that mandate from everything else i.e. NO WELFARE for illegals, that includes food stamps. You've got to remove the magnets.

How about repealing NAFTA first, and then

allow the Mexican government to apply tariffs to US imported, heavily subsidized, high yield, genetically modified food? Then and only then will the Mexican agriculture be able to flourish again. Then and only then will the Mexican agriculture be able to employ 3,000,000 Mexican agricultural workers again as in the early 90's.

Seal the border airtight? Airtight as in Nazi Germany in the 30's? That tight, or a bit less tight? Remember this - sealed border works in both directions (courtesy of Dr. Ron Paul).

You think it's an easy decision for Mexicans cross the border on foot for 100's of miles in a weather over 100 F, only to become illegal immigrants? You think it is easy to leave a family behind and risk your life, just to work for a minimum wage?

Quit looking south of the border for the Boogieman. The Boogieman is Your Government.

Ron Paul was talking about a fence.

But, I have my doubts about whethe or not a fence would stop people. We can't wait on NAFTA to be repealed before dealing with this issue. The bleeding needs to be stopped. Ending the magnets and tighter border security will do it.

I've only heard Ron Paul

I've only heard Ron Paul talking about the fence when he talked against the fence. Ron Paul talking for the fence would be news to me, so please share your source with me, I would appreciate it. Perhaps this would be one of several things I disagree with him.

So you think a fence on the border is working out well? -- http://youtu.be/AfVENwfeGHw

And since the FEDs are building the fence, would you beg them to deploy drones next? And then would you ask them to arm the drones? Just want to see what you would consider to be the line in the sand and when you would say enough is enough. There was no immigration problem that big before the 90's, ever.

Ineffective wall or repealing NAFTA (and of course ending the War on Drugs). It's an easy choice for me personally...

You misunderstood.

I was saying that Ron Paul was opposing putting up a fence rather than increasing border security.

how about you get me off the hook

for entitlements first rand?
then i don't care who stays.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

I see so much anger and hate

I see so much anger and hate over the supposed welfare that illegal immigrants recieve. Where are the facts?

From 1975 until now, welfare spending has been relatively flat relative to GDP....yet we've had massive illegal immigration since then. Why hasn't it shot up?

Something does not add up!

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

GDP is hardly a good indicator.

You've got to remember that our GDP increased and poverty went down in the 80s. Also, the welfare reform that Clinton and the RepublIvan Congress put together cut the welfare roles tremendously. Look up the drop. But, you probably only looked at federal welfare levels. Blue states like CA gave increased state welfare immensely as well. Welfare has increased big time relative to California's GDP.

Nope. The number I was

Nope. The number I was quoting was a national leve. I haven't looked at federal welfare alone.

Therewasadropwhen Clinton cut welfare, but that still means that claims of illegals taking so much welfare is exaggerated.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

People who live in border states

including Ron Paul himself have said that being forced to provide free services to illegal aliens is a huge economic burden. Why are you defending welfare?

I don't care what Ron Paul or

I don't care what Ron Paul or what people on border states say. Show me the numbers. I'm not asking because I've seen them; I haven't seen them and want to see proof.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

No Hate, that is Liiberal BS

By Heather McDonald. Why Most Hispanics won't vote Republican

The call for Republicans to discard their opposition to immigration amnesty will grow deafening in the wake of President Obama’s victory. Hispanics supported Obama by a margin of nearly 75 percent to 25 percent, and may have provided important margins in some swing states. If only Republicans relented on their Neanderthal views regarding the immigration rule of law, the message will run, they would release the inner Republican waiting to emerge in the Hispanic population.  

If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election. 

And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances. 

I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”

And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance. 

The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites. 

The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.  

More from this below

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald.htm

Useless babble. No facts.

Useless babble. No facts. Just polls and opinions on why Hispanics do not vote Republican.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

California has Hollywood,

California has Hollywood, Silicon valley, defense contractors, and a massive agricultural sector. You would think that its state coffers would be overflowing.

The reality: The demographic transition brought by mass immigration means that now 50% of children born in California are Hispanic, 25% are white, and the other 25% are black, Asian, American Indian, or other. The result: Democrats have a lock on politics. The spending, the crazy regulations, and the entitlements are out of control. So California is bankrupt. A single Hispanic mother with 4 children and earning the minimum wage isn't going to vote Republican. Or Libertarian.

Sure. Here are some fact....

Does not at all answer my

Does not at all answer my question about illegals and welfare.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Here are some more facts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pbh_iiv7cE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ7r34CF0XY

(just a few from THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Rand is not Ron

Rand feels that his dad and his supporters are all just not quite as smart as he is. Well in my opinion, Rand is toast. He could have done a lot of good for the liberty movement but he is off the reservation and is now over in Koo Koo land. He really is too kooky for Kentucky and I for one will never send him anymore money.

Fooled me once Rand but I will not be fooled again. It is good to see Dr. Paul take over campaign for liberty. It is sad to see that his son had so little faith in what is father built.

I know Alex has him figured out and pray that he does not allow him on his show to reach anyone else. Rand is the Prodigal Son who needs to eat from a swine bucket before he can realize just how many people supported him for the "Liberty Movement." The problem is, he forgot us and got used to being some big shot in Washington D.C.

Very intersting interview...

with the late Terry Anderson and Ron Paul from 08.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCKWwx7Wb8

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

What idiotic Libertarians thinks the Goverment needs more taxes

ifrom illegals.

What kind Iof crackpot libertarian are you, the goverment doesn't need a dime more from anyone, including allowing illegals in to get all of our stuff for free.

The government needs less of our money, they need to cut spending, that is the small government way.

The idea we should let illegals in to give more tax money to big government is a laugher.

I happen to know quite a few

I happen to know quite a few "illegals" and can tell you they hold free market ideals more dear, work very hard for little pay and love this country for the opportunities available to them. Can't say the same about other pieces of s**t who have been here for generations and just wait on their first of the month check.