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Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?

LiveScience: Humans may be gradually losing intelligence, according to a new study.

The study, published today (Nov. 12) in the journal Trends in Genetics, argues that humans lost the evolutionary pressure to be smart once we started living in dense agricultural settlements several thousand years ago.

"The development of our intellectual abilities and the optimization of thousands of intelligence genes probably occurred in relatively non-verbal, dispersed groups of peoples [living] before our ancestors emerged from Africa," said study author Gerald Crabtree, a researcher at Stanford University, in a statement.

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Nope dumb as ever.

Nope dumb as ever.

The question presumes

that were were intelligent to begin with.

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Distractions and Iniquity have increased




Of COURSE they are

They are being actively dumbed down in the govschool indoctrination gulag, deliberately kept ignorant of classic literature and history. Most of the time spent in school is behavioral training and modification and saturation in the statist worldview. The normally inquisitive human mind is taught to shut up, listen, accept all manner of illogic and dogma as truth even when it directly conflicts with reality....all in order to get a passing "grade".
Couple that with a culture that no longer reads but has only an attention span for videos and 3 minute "music" they lose the capacity for abstract thought and the level of reading required to understand the ideas used to enslave them.
Thinking is neurologically linked with language. Debase language, confuse the meaning of words like "liberty" and "freedom" until they mean their opposite and people have no word to describe an idea their rulers want eradicated.
We are seeing it happen with "Christianity", "liberty", "money", "sex" (as in "what is your sex?")

i think the intellectual middle class

is being eradicated with the financial middle class..but then again...I'm a conspiracy theorist =/

i believe because so many

i believe because so many listen to and watch the corporate news media, the governments propaganda machine they are incapable of critical thinking. never research on their own or read books or publications to get their information and facts. They are becoming mindless robots just the way the government likes it. Indoctrination starts in our public schoolsand continues in to college.
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Bob Marshall

The Daily Squib seems to think so


For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.


Public School System
What do you expect

IQ's going down since '60's..

in the USA. So much for the youth vote.

could be, but . . .

this has a really collectivistic angle--

there might actually be a few who are getting smarter, for all *we* know--

to generalize so much is . . . tiring.

But I will put my 2 cents in. Chemicals in the environment aren't helping--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Cavemen were more

Cavemen were more intelligent. Back to the woods..

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Another perspective.

Many years ago I asked the question "what constitutes fitness for survival today?" The answer that came about in due course was a teleological one. This is based upon the idea that there is a design and purpose in the universe that is moving towards realisation. This intuition was confirmed in the books by the Jesuit priest and paleontologist, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin: "The Phenomenon of Man" and "The Future of Man".

The work of the Swiss psychoanalyst Carl Jung introduced me to the archetypes of the collective unconscious and the central Archetype that controlled all other archetypes he called the imago Dei, the image of God. At the centre of each individual unconscious mind was a replication of this central Archetype, the image of an image.

This then linked with the gospel of the apostle John (I was not a Christian at this time) chapter 1 verses 1-5:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created. In him was life, and the life was the light of mankind. And the light shines on in the darkness, but the darkness has not mastered it."

The Word or Logos is of course the Jungian central Archetype. The apostle chose this description because it connected the Greek mind with the Logos of their Stoic philosophers and the Hellenistic Jewish mind with the Logos of the Jewish philosopher Philo.

This Word is the source of our Light, our collective and individual intelligence. The darkness is the natural human mind that is infused with the Light through inspiration but cannot grasp it. To assert that we are becoming less intelligent would mean that we are falling farther away from the Light. This has been the condition of mankind since the beginning. We are in a state of entropy as is the entire material universe of which we are an integral part.

There is however another process underway in the opposite direction. This is the gathering together of the spirits of mankind towards the Light so that as we draw nearer, as we receive Him, for the Light and Life are a Person, we are changed from the realm of darkness into the realm of Light, Life and Love, the Kingdom of God which is righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit. From a personal experiential perspective this means that our mind, emotions, desires and will are changed as we learn and follow the leading of the Spirit of Truth and Life that is now in union with our spirit. The final destination is for each of us to be changed in the very atomic structure of our bodies and to receive an immortal body just like Jesus' immortal, incorruptible body after His resurrection.

This was the complete answer that I received to my question "what constitutes fitness for survival today?"

The fact is none of us shall survive in our present form. This form is destined to perish just as the entire universe in its present form is destined to perish. When we identify with that which is temporary and passing away then our consciousness of who we are will perish since that persona cannot survive.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

David, I Always Read

...and get new thoughts from your perspectives. Thank you for your perseverance in stating them/it.

In addition to where we may be in "the fullness of time"...there is also where we are now which you often share your thoughts on. Was wondering if you might have any thoughts about a comment I made on "False and True Liberty' on the thread below (which I hesitated to even post on as I found the whole issue so disturbing);


I have thought a lot about "liberty" lately and wondered why I so often am skeptical of the label. What is called liberty is often the opposite to me.


I dd read the post in its entirety.

Was it a collection of quotes or just the one portion? Whatever it was there is little that one could take issue with. I believe the writer recognises the existence of God's Law and that all things in the universe must comply with that Law or perish.

It is the degree to which each creature complies with the Law that defines its freedom. If one's nature is such that obedience to the Law is simply a matter of one's nature then one is perfectly free. If one does intuitively and instinctively what the Law demands then one is acting with complete freedom.

The condition of mankind at the present time is that we are unable to obey the Law of God by nature. Our natural mind is hostile to the Law of God. We are in our very essence in rebellion against our Creator. We can recognise that His Law is good and just but we find that we cannot do as it commands. We always fall short.

This condition is known as sin which can mean either missing the mark or lawlessness. We are born in this condition and we live under the curse that this condition has brought upon us all. The curse is bondage to sin and to the earth to which we must apply our labour in order to earn our bread. This is the permanent condition of every man on Earth past present and future. Woman has a different burden to bear but no less onerous.

Is it any surprise then that we love the idea of Liberty? It is a dream that has haunted mankind for as long as there has been an Earth and men walking on it. It is this condition that the Lord Jesus Christ, the one and only Son of God, came to Earth from Heaven to deal with. He came to set the captives free. The situation is a legal one...we are lawbreakers...and therefore it requires a legal solution. We are debtors to the Law and to the Lawgiver and He has graciously provided a means for us to be relieved of our debt. He asks us to recognise the diagnosis and to accept the remedy. In its simplest form this is the eternal Gospel, the Evangel, the Good News.

This means that rather than being slaves to sin we become slaves to righteousness and we set out on a course of learning how to be real human beings, in preparation not for Heaven, as is commonly taught, but for rulership of the Creation as sons of God in the Kingdom of God just as the forerunner, the firstborn of many brethren, the Lord Jesus Christ taught us. This purpose of our Father is clearly set out in the very first book of the Bible when He said "Let us make Man in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth.”

This mandate to rule has been increased by the work done by our Lord Jesus Christ in whom and in whom alone we can receive our inheritance. Now He has said “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Since He is the firstborn over all Creation He has received the double portion according to the law of inheritance and He shares that inheritance with his co-heirs, all those who believe in and follow Him.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Thank You, David

Thank you for reading it and your thoughtful reply. I very much wanted to see if you saw any fallacy. And, yes, pursuit of liberty is an age old dream. I have just wondered if many stop and think about the meaning of true and false liberty.

I agree with your summation as you and I are on "similar" pages not only theologically in study, but also in conviction ie purpose of life. It actually was a segment from a chapter on the rebellion in a book I don't really like to talk about as I look for truth in many places and many do not and can tend to be judgmental. The rest of the chapter goes into the theft of liberty, time lag of justice, the wisdom of delay and the ultimate triumph of love, all of which you would probably agree with at least in part.

It comes from a stance that the rebellion has been resolved and won in another dimension we call heaven, that there is a necessary time lag here as will is free to choose between good and evil and that good will triumph. (Few biblical scholars would disagree with that I guess) A lot of trust placed in free will creatures and the opportunity to participate in the adjudication of the rebellion here by our own free will choices. However painful, I find that exciting.

Stretching to really understand the meaning of true liberty seems important if throughout the ages it is something men have pursued. As we come close to using the label "liberty" for a movement or for candidates, I feel protective. I don't want "liberty" to be used in a way that it is hijacked again, pursued in name only or perverted into false liberty. If nothing else, I want to be sure that I understand what true liberty would look like and what the transition to it might entail. LOL I am kindof a light weight. Do I make sense?

Thank you again and God Bless. (Just reread to edit and want to add, in case you don't remember, that I very much am a Christian, I sound a bit esoteric at times and may have many things wrong, but Jesus is at the center of my beliefs. I'm not lost, I just do a lot of exploring!)


There are different kinds of Liberty @fonta

The one we have been discussing is what I would term ontological liberty. This for me is the fundamental liberty since it is personal and real and permanent.

I believe the first step in advancing towards this kind of liberty is to see clearly that we are all actually in bondage to three things: the lust of our flesh, the lust of our eyes and the pride of life. This bondage is real although invisible. Men are under a different yoke than women but both sexes share the responsibility for their condition.

The second step is to accept our bondage as being just and to surrender to our Judge who has handed down our sentence which is death. That we are all condemned to die is self evident. That it is deserved is perhaps not quite so widely understood and accepted. That is has been remedied is similarly unknown to the majority of humanity which brings us to:

The third step which is to accept by faith that our Father in His Son the Lord Jesus Christ has set us free from this bondage and placed us under another yoke, the yoke of His nature and character which is love. He undertakes to change us from our present nature and character into the image of His own nature and character beginning in the realm of our spirit which is the first part of us to be brought into union with Himself. This is a process that is pictured for us in the three major Feasts of Israel and He will accomplish His purpose as we yield to Him, learn of Him and accept His discipline. In the interim during this process we are covered by His Life blood which speaks of His payment of our debt to Him as our Victim and acts as a shield against carnal and spiritual powers that would hinder us as we draw closer to our Father in the Spirit of the Son.

There are other forms of freedom that are on offer to us in the world but it is important to bear in mind at all times our real condition as noted above and to see these other "freedoms" in this light.

One such freedom that is very popular is financial or material "freedom" which is actually an offer to set us free from our obligations under God's Law and to seek liberty, also known as security, through Mammon. In other words this liberty is a false liberty and you will find that those who take this path become even more slaves of their lusts and pride. Pride is a very subtle counterfeit of love usually expressed as and promoted as self love and self esteem.

A second freedom is sexual "freedom" which is easily seen to be a false liberty that will only lead into deeper bondage.

The liberty that Ron Paul talks about is political liberty and this is a legal fiction, like equality, that serves a useful purpose. This political liberty is actually a counter movement against the political results of the inevitable desire of people to escape their God ordained bondage i.e. responsibility under the Law. In this light political liberty is a necessary antidote to the accretion of power by the central government which is given this power by the People in their effort to shift responsibility for their lives onto the government.

So while they are being offered "freedom" in the form of financial or material "freedoms" and sexual "freedom" they are actually sinking deeper into their bondage to their lusts and pride while surrendering their only hope of true ontological freedom in recognising their condition, accepting their responsibility and surrendering their lives to their Victim and Creator.

Dr. Paul has made allusions to this state of affairs I believe in his farewell address. He has always made it quite clear I believe that liberty is impossible without taking responsibility for one's own life.

Here is a scripture I was reading this morning that speaks to these things:

"Then Jesus called the crowd, along with his disciples, and said to them, “If anyone wants to become my follower, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the gospel will save it. For what benefit is it for a person to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his life? What can a person give in exchange for his life?" (Mark 8:34-37)

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Onotological Liberty

...not being familiar with the term, but thinking I was , I immediately jumped to "ontological liberty" as being faith-based as in theologically based. Apparently it is not necessarily, but rather relates to developing a personal philosophy that is consistent. Still, because there is no "ontological" personal philosophy that is complete, it generally serves as scaffolding, necessary scaffolding, to be used for organization of thoughts until more information results in a higher level of interpretation that also is consistent.


We know that Ron Paul is a man of faith and that, therefore, his definition of "Political Liberty" can not be separated from his experiential bedrock. He masterfully defends and defines "Political Liberty" in a way that seldom offends, is all inclusive, and is not pushing self-righteously his religious beliefs.

We've seen especially through recent history that the term "liberty for all" and the Bill of Rights is easily sabotaged when emphasis is not placed on "individual freedom and rights" only so long as they don't infringe upon others' rights.

I suppose I am stretching to learn a new language...a liberty language that is consistent with my own experiential faith, but that offends not and does not lead to argument for argument's sake or comes into direct opposition to anther's personal ontological philosophy regarding true freedom.

Do some of us need to develop a more secular approach to discussing liberty with others? Be more Ron Paul-like. I've asked myself that. I have appreciated the liberty extended to those of us who enjoy a theological approach in some discussions; however, I want to understand the boundaries...where overextending the privilege becomes preaching, offensive and is counter-productive to understanding and sharing the basic tenets of "Political Liberty."

It is just something I think about. I appreciate your response and bringing the word "ontological" into my vocabulary although I probably have the meaning wrong!


How about the dictionary definition:

on·to·log·i·cal   [on-tl-oj-i-kuhl] Show IPA
of or pertaining to ontology, the branch of metaphysics that studies the nature of existence or being as such; metaphysical: Some of the U.S. founders held an ontological belief in natural rights.

This is the meaning I had in mind. "The nature of existence or being" captures the idea best I think. The questions who am I? why am I here? etc. all come under the heading of ontological questions. That is why I describe ontological freedom as being personal, real and permanent.

Insofar as "developing a more secular approach to discussing liberty with others" yes, that is something that is necessary and why political liberty is useful for doing that. As I said it is a legal fiction like "equality" that serves a useful purpose. However for those of us who have an ontological position that guides our thinking when judging intellectual arguments we must be prepared to disclose our presuppositions at some point if our interlocutor appears to be open to it.

Ron Paul has created a very specific political platform based upon the political liberty afforded him in the founding documents of the United States. It has therefore a limited objective that is to create the political conditions in which personal ontological liberty can be pursued...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This is why he emphasises that the preeminent role of government is to protect these natural rights. The founding fathers understood this because they had come out of conditions in Europe where different ontological beliefs had led to wars and oppression. Nevertheless all of these beliefs were spiritual in nature and indeed largely so called Christian beliefs.

Unfortunately, as Dr. Paul has observed in his farewell speech, this political liberty led to the pursuit of purely materialistic goals and the acceptance of materialist ontological beliefs such as evolution and socialism. As I noted above this led to beliefs in false ideas of financial, material and sexual liberty and the consequent growth in government to support them and enforce them. The ultimate enabler of this growth of government was the introduction of elastic money via the Federal Reserve System with its potential for easy credit and the acquisition of a theretofore unimagined cornucopia of delights and conveniences appealing to the very desires that bind us and at the same time leading the people into debt slavery.

Dr. Paul has proposed certain monetary changes that will roll back the political gains made by the materialist philosophy but the important thing for us to remember is that the introduction of ontological beliefs into the political arena is what led to this situation in the first place. In a sense America is back where the founding fathers were as they wrestled with the problem of containing the conflict between differing ontological beliefs.

If we are going to live in peace together then this distinction must be made between political liberty and ontological liberty. Political liberty, properly understood can be agreed upon by everyone while the latter, freely debated, must be protected by the law. Each person must be allowed to pursue their own path towards discovering who they are and why they are here and all the actions that arise from that discovery. This must be free of any government interference whatsoever which includes the public education system. Governments must make no laws taking sides in the debate about ontological issues. This is surely the meaning of the First Amendment.

When you think about it this is a big task and it has only just begun. I am not sure that I have made the distinctions as clear as I might have done but I do believe that Ron Paul has contributed mightily to the advancement of the political liberty movement and if we stick to the political platform he has crafted then in time the result will be what we want to see in society.

Thanks for the stimulating discussion. It has made me think about things in a different way.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)


(see what I did there?)

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Less intelligent ? I don't know. But...

Less intelligent ? I don't know.

There would be several different definitions of intelligence I could come up with and yet stay undecided.


That humans are being MORALLY, SOCIALLY, ECONOMICALLY, and BIOLOGICALLY engineered at the scale of entire nations :

WITHOUT ANY DOUBTS. And NOT for the best.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Ludicrous idea

If you look at the overall intelligence of humans, as compared to where we were 150-200 years ago, i would say we are much smarter. We have applied so many various principles of the sciences to create amazing technology, which has made our lives more convenient. Sure there are more people on the planet now, so obviously there will be more "dumb" folks, but as well as more "smart" folks. It really only takes a small amount of "smart" folks to prop up everyone else.

I think the real big question is public education, i think that has been dumbed down, which you could say has led to a dumbing down of the masses. But in all actuality i look at it as the conveniences afforded to us by our vast knowledge has made us more ignorant to a whole vast sea of knownledge, especially when it comes to govenment/political issues.

You confuse knowledge with intelligence.

Just because we have more knowledge, real or false, doesn't make us more intelligent.

In a certain way they're right ...

Mankind has been devolving since the beginning ... Adam and Eve having been created perfect. Genetic corruption does take place.

Nowhere is it more apparent than among today's evolution spouting scientists. They are a pathetic lot, dreaming up fairy tales and labeling them "science." What a waste of money these fabricated reports ... that pass for serious scientific inquiry ... are!

Unfortunately, people are being dumbed down. Spending 12 years in a public school and swallowing the soulless, fake history, fake science, sex ed, esteem training, etc., can't but warp a human being beyond recognition. Then, whatever was missed by the school system, the modern media ... TV, raunchy music, disgusting bloody movies ... finishes off.

Beyond that, drinking fluoridated water is guaranteed to reduce IQ by 10 to 20 percent. Add to this the GMO frankenfoods, chemtrails, etc., and you have a generation of obese, fog-bound, couch potatoes who hardly care that they are being poisoned by our corporations with the blessing of our government.

Waking up to the scam instantly improves your IQ by 50%. Glory to God forever!

Do you believe Adam and Eve

Do you believe Adam and Eve is to be understood literally? And, if so, do you really believe they were "created to be perfect?"

invoking Poe?

How can we use reason to disprove evolution? And what is your opinion of Theistic evolution?

I agree with the decline in culture but I think a fervent religious belief is what allows us to goto war so easily. It's an easy justification to condemning someone to death when they are literally working against "God".

TV watching...

Studies have proven that, in the long run, too much activity in the lower brain leads to atrophy in the higher brain regions.


The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

The present civilization is in decline,

but I believe human intelligence will rally. Many suffer from propaganda and brain washing at the present time and lack of intelligent stimulation and TRUTH.

People genreally mingle within their own social groups

This will lead, over time, into 2 or more distinct species of "human"

It's not just social class that will split and evolve. Attractiveness will contribute the fastest to this "split" in human kind. Ugly people don't generally hook up with with attractive people. Less of a factor but still relevant, poor people don't generally hook up with rich people.

If it were not for a global trade system... asia, northern europe/russia, parts of africa, the native americans, and many others niche people would have split into separate species in a few 10s of thousands of years.

For you non evolutionary folks... consider this, Most of the REALLY good marijuana that is on the streets now days is caused by FORCED evolution of hemp... or ALL non-GMO corns were selectively breed for 1000's of years from one single type of plant that has corncob that is less then 1 inch with kernels the size of sand grains.

In the same way that corn has been selectively breed, social and cultural methods will one day break the human species into 100's of types on humanoids given enough time.
At the rate we are going things could change much faster then most of us realize, and it seems not for the better.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

America's tacit LOVE for the lie of evolution theory...

...is all the proof they need that we're intellectually LAZY, not less intelligent.

Blinded, manipulated, willingly ignorant, God-deniers, lovers of sin and pleasure, idolatrous, money-worshipping PROGRESSIVES...we take all this technology, and instantaneous access to information and knowledge, and conclude that a Holy Creator didn't create humans in the Garden of Eden for a purpose; and through gross repetitive disobedience they have come to believe in a plethora of LIES, ...only the lies and liars have increased in stature, preference, and standing; any human being the world over can bend their knee and break their heart in biblical repentance and faith towards Jesus Christ...but, they'd rather MOCK the faith our founders had in the Creator so named in our Declaration of Independence; and vote for proponents of abortion and homosexuality in the ONE nation that was blessed with prosperity because the God of the Bible was reverenced at it's founding and separation from hypocritical Judeo-Christian parent government.

The strain we exert in order to hold onto our lies, and the financiers of those lies in our politics, our churches, and government-funded academia....this nation deserves all the blowback God is currently equipping and orchestrating against us, not because we're less intelligent; but because we clinch our fist in His face in total defiance and rejection of His demand we repent.

We will be humbled; quit pseudo-analyzing the OBVIOUS....this nation HATES God and Jesus Christ....our founders and Ron Paul knew better...don't say we weren't WARNED!!!

If you believe that

If you believe that Secretariat is more likely to produce fast offspring than a draft horse then you believe in evolution. If you don't believe secretariat is more likely to produce fast offspring, then you have proven the point that humans are becoming less intelligent.