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Avoid the Abraham Lincoln Propaganda Film

Yet another piece of propaganda is hitting the movie theaters.

No American president in history is so worshiped based on falsehoods, nor recognized as so evil when the truth becomes known.

Here is a solid article about how Lincoln was always in favor of big government, never cared about slavery, and trashed the Constitution at every turn.


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It would be better to see an

It would be better to see an educational documentary or something to come to your own conclusions, but if you DO want to see it, I would recommend watching it for the same purpose. I'll probably watch it at some point.

We have to weigh out the positives and negatives related to Lincoln's presidency. In addition to his war mongering and racism, he DID try to get rid of the central bank and though the war sucked, it(along with the reparations) provided an equilibrium which put a quicker end to slave owning cronyism. Ron Paul said the government could have bought the slaves, and I don't know whether the congress would have agreed to that, but that would have been a more peaceful means to an end.

Civil rights have everything to do with libertarianism, so it would do a lot of good for us to write about it in a more positive light and about the things we COULD do, rather than more and more about the failures of what has already been done in the past.

No one should be surprised by this

Hollywood's always been about revising history. I usually enjoy historical fictions, but I always try to educate myself on how rife with inaccuracy they are. I can respect that the truth isn't often near as compelling a story as the fiction, but I also agree that it's dangerous in that most people now believe William Wallace was everything that Robert the Bruce was and more or that the Spartans didn't have institutionalized pederasty.

Even worse, so much of our history has already been tainted as it is, whether political slander of the day became generally accepted and we now believe Napoleon was anything less than average height for the time or it's just been whitewashed with literal wellwishing and most people think Ponce De Leon was looking for a magic fountain and not on yet another slave expedition.

That's just the way they want it though, isn't it? We've been rolling down the side of Mt. Responsibility for a long time. Instead of asking us to take personal responsibility and research these things for ourselves, they simply want to gussy it up and serve history on a silver platter with all the fat (read: unpleasant truth) trimmed away. Though anyone who knows their meat knows fat is where the flavor's at.

He was a consummate

He was a consummate politician who spoke out of both sides of his mouth, saying one thing to one audience and the opposite to another.
He was adamantly opposed to racial equality, actually using the words "superior and inferior" to describe the "appropriate" relation between the white and black races.
He opposed giving blacks the right to vote, to serve on juries, or to intermarry with whites.
He supported the legal rights of slave owners and pledged his support of a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited the federal government from ever interfering with Southern slavery.
He was a mercantilist and a political tool of corrupt Northern business interests.
He was a railroad industry lobbyist who championed corporate welfare.
He once represented a slave owner in a case in which he sought to recover his runaway slaves. Lincoln lost the case and the slaves gained their freedom.
He advocated sending all blacks back to Africa, Central America, or Haiti — anywhere but the U.S.
He proposed strengthening the Fugitive Slave Law.
He opposed the extension of slavery into the territories so that "free white people" would not have to associate with blacks or compete with them for jobs.
He opposed black citizenship in Illinois and supported the state's constitution which prohibited the emigration of black people into the state.
He was the head of the Illinois Colonization Society, which advocated the use of state tax dollars to deport the small number of free blacks that resided within the state.
He nullified the early emancipation of slaves in Missouri and Georgia early in the war.
He sent troops to New York City to put down a draft riot by shooting hundreds of them in the streets.
He was an enemy of free-market capitalism.
He started a war over tax collection that ended up killing 620,000 Americans and wounding and maiming even more.
He conjured up the spectacular lie that no such thing as state sovereignty ever existed to "justify" his invasion and conquest of the Southern states.
He refused to meet with Confederate peace commissioners before the war to work out a peaceful compromise.
He provoked the upper South — Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas and Tennessee — to secede by launching a military invasion of their sister states.
He supported economic interventionism through protectionist tariffs, corporate welfare, and central banking that would plunder one section of the country (the South) for the benefit of his Northern political supporters.
He started a war without the consent of Congress; illegally declared martial law; illegally blockaded Southern ports; illegally suspended habeas corpus and arrested tens of thousands of political opponents; illegally orchestrated the secession of West Virginia; shut down hundreds of opposition newspapers and imprisoned their editors and owners; deported the most outspoken member of the Democratic Party opposition, Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio; confiscated private property, including firearms; ignored the Ninth and Tenth Amendments; tolerated the arrest of ministers who refused to publicly pray for him; arrested duly elected members of the Maryland legislature as well as Congressman Henry May of Baltimore; and supported a law that indemnified federal officials from all of these illegal acts.
He orchestrated the rigging of Northern elections.
Introduced the slavery of conscription and income taxation.
Censored all telegraph communication.
Waged war on civilians by having his armies bomb Southern cities and destroy or steal crops, livestock and private property throughout the South.
Created an enormous political patronage system that survives today.
Allowed the unjust mass execution of Sioux Indians in Minnesota.
Destroyed the system of federalism and states' rights that was created by the founding fathers, thereby destroying the voluntary union.
Promoted generals for their willingness to use troops as cannon fodder.
Created an internal revenue bureaucracy that has never diminished in size and power.



this sounds like a Coen brothers movie

Two Lincoln Books worth reading

Both by Thomas delorenzo
Will add the links tomorrow
The real Lincoln
Lincoln unmasked

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Interesting info!

One wondered why Obama said he wants to mold his presidency after Lincoln. I remember that back in 2008. What really is the reason someone killed him?

How is Lincoln a bad man?

Yes, he might have been a little racist in a few letters, but who wasn't?

Yes, he started a war with the confederates, but was trying to save the Union. If the Confederate states continued with their gov't, it would eventually lead to war, even between those states.

Isn't preservation of the Union a good thing?
Having the UNITED states is what makes us such a powerful country.

I understand it was a bloody and costly war, but his reason for going to war looked like it had to be done or it was inevitable.

There was no rebellion and

There was no rebellion and were no rebels.

The Unites States was established as the international agent to administer the constitution for the several states in union.

The constitution is an international compact among the several nations of the union.

The constitution permits military action or intervention only in cases of insurrection or rebellion.

The Unites States is not a country or nation, and therefore secession from it is not an act of rebellion or insurrection.

Therefore the (so called) Civil War was an unprovoked illegal international war.

Then there is the time line:

1861 War declared to maintain the Union, specifically declaring that the war is not for the purposes of conquest.

1865 Southern states concede and the war ends. 13th amendment ratified.

1866 Peace declared. Southern states restored to full status under the union.

1867 Reconstruction Acts remove sovereign statehood from southern states declaring them territories of the US in rebellion and the US invades and militarily occupies them removing their lawful governments and replacing them with their own, an act of conquest.

1867-8 Occupation forces Southern states to ratify 14th amendment.

The problem is that the southern states were either states or territories. As rightful states, the occupation was unlawful, but if were merely territories, they were lawfully unable to ratify the 14th amendment.

Conclusion: Criminal and treasonous behavior by the president and congress at every turn.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

"Having the UNITED states is

"Having the UNITED states is what makes us such a powerful country."

Being "powerful" is not an end a libertarian should be interested in.



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how about suspending habeas corpus

Does that do anything for you, holmes?

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Its war time dude

Cant afford to be doing trials in the middle of civil war. you gotta win


Habeus Corpus is an important principle, but I must admit that in some cases it makes sense to SUSPEND it -- not eliminate it... and we do always need to fight to preserve it.

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I always tell my friends about this

and they always have a difficult time believing me. But understandably, without condoning, blacks were considered inferior to whites in every way, (to the point that they were slaves). I guess one could say that at that time, it was actually popular or even the "norm" to be racist.

The actor that portrays Lincoln has such a high and whiney voice

it sounded like a Saturday Night Live characters satire voice - kind of like a mockery voice.

When I imagined myself listening to that for a whole movie, I decided I couldn't do it.

Daniel Day-Lewis based his

Daniel Day-Lewis based his interpretation on written historical accounts on Lincoln. He is well known for his research into his roles.

I absolutely plan on seeing this movie because I like the director, I like the actors and I am interested to see their take on the man.

Exposing oneself to one point of view only can result in a loss of perspective. Yes, bring your own opinions, but for crying out loud, at least allow yourself to enjoy a movie. You don't have to change your beliefs based on one film.

Since no recordings exist of Lincoln's voice, and I am not

and I am not aware of any historical reference to him being made such as "He had a high, whiney, nasal and annoying voice.", THAT part must be Danial Day-Lewis's own.

And I am not going to pay to sit and listen to something that sounds like that.

I heard that the reason they

I heard that the reason they chose this actor is because Lincoln had a high and whiney voice.

liberty lover in Nor Cal!

It's called "acting"

Daniel Day-Lewis doesn't have a high pitched voice.

Please tell me where either a recording of Lincoln's voice, or a

true reference exists that Lincoln spoke in a high, whiney, nasally, annoying and satirical voice.

Google is your friend. Use it.

“Lincoln’s voice, as far as period descriptions go, was a little shriller, a little higher,” says Holzer. It would be a mistake to say that his voice was squeaky though. “People said that his voice carried into crowds beautifully. Just because the tone was high doesn’t mean it wasn’t far-reaching,” he says.


"William R. Rathvon is the only known eyewitness of both Lincoln's arrival at Gettysburg and the address itself to have left an audio recording of his recollections.[54] One year before his death in 1939, Rathvon's reminiscences were recorded on February 12, 1938, at the Boston studios of radio station WRUL, including his reading the address, itself, and a 78 rpm record was pressed. The title of the 78 record was "I Heard Lincoln That Day - William R. Rathvon, TR Productions." A copy wound up at National Public Radio (NPR) during a "Quest for Sound" project in 1999.[55] NPR continues to air it around Lincoln's birthday."


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Isn't this how "they" allow it to happen?

They KILL we, the people's leaders and then place them on a pedestal and rewrite history to show how great they were.

Lincoln, Kennedy, I rest my case. Lincoln's "greenbacks", after all his flaws, did him in.

The greenback issue, like executive order 11110 (Kennedy's greenbacks) were hidden forever, at first. Slowly, working into the stream of conscious for the American people, we have uncovered a cleverly hidden truth.

But, as it was with Kennedy, it is with Lincoln and in a true era of mass knowledge and freedom to use it (see, the internet) we will expose these lies!

The truth about Kennedy is deafening. Will the people see it?

Lincoln's "lies" are 150 years old and a "little" harder to decipher.

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Ah, then what of Garfiled and McKinley Assasinations

Murry Rothard did note that that the "lone nut" was a common theme of political assassinations in America!

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them, too...

i didn't mean to exclude them...

they were killed for much the same reasons, they are just a little more BURIED, for some reason, don't you agree? their presidential terms were a lot less "imposing" than those of lincoln and kennedy so they were easily hidden by the ptb

isn't this madness?

how long will the American people stand for this?

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I saw the trailer.

That was enough to make sick to my stomach.


I just re-read the chapter "The War Between the States" in Tom Woods "The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History"

The only reason to watch the film would be to better know the lies people are being exposed to so you can combat said lies easier.

What Lincoln Killed

Episode I: Compacts Dissolved


My Political Awakening: I Wanted to Change the World...
I am NOT Anti-America. America is Anti-Me - Lowkey
How to Handle POLICE STATE Encounters


Good read.

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