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Dear Religious Right

Note: this post is not anti-Christian, please read the entire article before criticizing. I'm a pretty devout Christian and I happen to agree with this article for the most part. Learn and listen to this perspective! thanks. It should also be noted that the term "Religious right" is very relative. Context is key.

via Muslims4Liberty
Hello average GOP values based voter, I wanted to take a little time after the election to thank you. You have handed the US another 4 years of Obama, and as a Libertarian I appreciate that. Your failures may possibly spell out to our party’s future success as you continue to stick your head in the sand and drive away voters from your party.

Now some may see this statement as harsh, which it is, and it should be. Sometimes, when dealing with the pathologically delusional you have to be firm and direct. A quick slap in the face to bring them back to reality, and remind them what planet they actually live on. A wake up call to let them know that culture war, class war, and advocating US imperialism are no longer viable strategies for carrying national elections.

The failures of 2012 are entirely of the GOP’s own making, particularly those among them who see themselves as the “moral majority”. That evangelical and conservative jewish block that the talking heads do all they can to court 365 days a year. A portion of our country that wants to legislate its own moral views on the rest of us, and outlaw or stifle the rights of other religious traditions in the name of “patriotism” or “national security”. They are NOT irrationally targeting anyone different from them, they will argue, “we are only trying to save America”.

Continue reading here: http://www.muslims4liberty.org/dear-religious-right/




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Thanks! It naturally scares people.

To think that...

1) It is up to them (each individual) to find salvation (and that their pastor/priest can't automatically save them with a few kind words).

2) And then realize that God is hiding salvation and truth from them (and from the masses) and that He must come to them and reveal Himself (that there is really nothing at all that they can do).

There are a lot of mainstream false churches out there (in fact most) that are nothing more than cults... pretending to have all the answers and a way to heaven.

Here is the bad news...

It is up to each one of us to seek Him, but even then revelation of God to the individual is not guaranteed. Because He makes many men (and women) specifically for hell's fire.

And if you get to heaven God says that even heaven will not last forever... so where will you go for eternity if heaven is not for eternity?

Don't most false pastors and priests teach that heaven is for eternity. Isn't this LIE an obvious sign of someone who is worse than an unbeliever 2 Peter 2.

Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Those who claim to know that heaven is for eternity are false teachers who know nothing of God or His character. They must see to believe. And even that is not enough to keep them from erecting their own towers to get up there to heaven (they do not trust Him and they think Him a liar), adding to and detracting from the Word made Flesh, making their own way instead and deceiving people saying "Come with me!"

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There's going to be a new heaven.

The present earth and heavens is what the Bible is referring to. There will be a new heaven and a new earth that will be forever.

The Lord is going to clean this place up.

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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The local church(not a building -a people) is the missing link. The time to build is now.

there will be a new heaven and earth in the future

i don't know a single christian who teaches that the current heaven and earth are eternal. I think you're the one who's confused.

"Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind." - Isaiah 65:17

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness." - 2 Peter 3:13

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." - Revelation 21:1

I Am Afraid That

.....I made a mistake with this post and so I deleted it the only way I could figure out to do so :)

fonta

"down off your high-horse"

Take your own advice.

Speaking of "cults", why do so many in your "cult" feel the need to go around wagging your fingers at those who don't do exactly as you? Guess you missed the message your "cult leader" was trying to get across.

I'd call you a bigot, but you're even worse-- you're just plain clueless.

A signature used to be here!

Woops...Wrong Placement of My Post

...above. Obomba, I believe, was referring to the same poster as I was and attempting to apply ethics and morals rather than bigotry, fear and hatred. Either we heard Ron Paul or we didn't. Sorry Obomba.

One more time...the real content of the OP article is not who lost or won the election and why. It is about the outrage of a group of people, many of whom are voting citizens of the US, and who believe in and long for peace and liberty for all.

fonta

Thanks for RePosting

It is a very informative article and I fail to see why anyone would have been offended.

For those on the DP who are working within the GOP, for those who are staunchly LP and for anyone who says they are for liberty and certainly anyone who heard Ron Paul today mention the need to develop virtue...articles like this are important.

Written by a man apparently with a group that call themselves Muslims4Liberty, it expresses the anger that a cultural and religious group of American citizens feels right now. The target of their anger is the religious right (just a label/nothing more) instead of all native Americans. It does not really matter who the target is. If you've ever felt anger/fear/despair...you know it has to go somewhere.

There was a growing Muslims4RonPaul group at one time because word was reaching them that only RP was against militarism and intervention in the Middle East and that he was for liberty which is what they came to the US expecting to find. I know one longtime Muslim poster on the DP who contributes much and loves RP as much as I do. Among the Muslim faith there are many who know Ron Paul and are with us in our movement for liberty. There can be many more. We should try to understand them and, at the same time, offer assurance that they are accepted and many Americans do not a agree with the current policies of our government.

Of course Muslims are angry. Ron Paul would call their anger blowback. We are in the process of destroying the Middle East where many American citizens who happen to be Muslim have roots, history, memory and family. Some feel disenfranchised and the victims of fear and bigotry.

When this article was first posted a few took issue at the title. It was written as a letter "Dear Religious Right." Even Ron Paul has mentioned the lunacy of some Christians standing with Israel against just about everyone in the Middle East believing that this strange bed fellow alliance was going to help bring about biblical prophecy. By murdering innocent civilians, women and children! Call it religious right or just radical Christians. The articles were all over the place and I'm sure I read some of the articles that led Muslims to hold the religious right responsible. They did have a huge impact on the GOP. They may not have as much now; however, they are perceived by many Muslims as early instigators and the destruction goes on.

If I were a Muslim I might have written that letter. The point is not any errors you see in the letter...it is understanding where the letter was coming from and why.

fonta

Glad to read this

The article makes a very good point that demonstrates the very thing that the religious right supposedly stood for: freedom of religion. It is hard to support a group that is supposed to stand for so many good things, but which is blind to its own hypocrisy. I think this is a danger that we are all subject to unless we remain humble (for example, we libertarians aren't bigots ... unless the guy who offends us is a Mormon). It takes a lot of humility and self-control to not slip into that dangerous Us vs. Them mode.

Reading an article like this has a lot of value when we relate it to ourselves. How can we guard against making the same mistakes the GOP made? In many ways, I see Obama's reelection as a blessing, in that it would force humility on some who are supposed to follow God's laws, but who have become proud and blind. We just gotta make sure we don't make the same mistakes they made, and welcome them and invite them to see what is right.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

and the religious right is NOT...

...the TRUE Christian church....just sayin'

The religious right is a parasytical K-street lobbying group that sucks money from unsuspecting conservatives promising to end abortion and homosexuality through eating steak dinners and drinking Heinekin with elected representatives....

If they KNEW their Bibles, they wouldn't have been given strong delusion...but....God gave them up to the reprobate mind!

Romney was pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage.

Romney marched in the Gay parade in Mass. when governor of Mass. Romney also bought a company that was doing abortion related work when with Bane. Then Romney proceeded to make money off that company. Hey, what's a little abortion when you can make millions. Just look the other way. Like Jesus said, it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle then for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
On the other hand, President Obama, signed a bill that said that Federal money could not be used on abortions accept for the reason of rape, incest or the mother's life is in danger. And I do not know if the comment is true, but I read that President Obama will not be pushing for any Federal gay marriage bills. I read that that is what President Obama said.
On top of that President Obama has been a Christian for 20 years now. He is born-again, has been baptized in the Church of Christ, both his daughters have also been baptized Christians. President Obama receives communion and said he prays every day. Also, I understand he has a Daily devotional book with Scriptures and he reads the devotion page of the day. Lots of Christians do that. Also, President Obama and his family walk to Saint John's Episcopal Church on Sundays from the White House. They have even gone to the Baptist Church near the White House. There are picture online of them walking to church. President Obama obviously does not blow his horn about being a Christian.

Sorry everyone

I've deleted this post as it clearly has offended many people here. I just thought this was a good perspective to learn from. The term 'religious right' is such a relative term. Perhaps the author of that article should have used something else.
Someone suggested the article was anti-Christian. I'm a fairly devout Christian and wasn't offended by it in the least.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Anonymous
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You Had Deleted It

...before I came here so I haven't read it. However, you have nothing to apologize for as you merely posted an article somebody else wrote because you thought it might be of interest.

Any religious article is touchy to some. However, to me it is important to try to discover where different people are coming from.
If you had left it up longer it might have led to some good discussion. From the comments below, it is impossible to even detect what offended.

LOL I've read some posts of yours that were read and appreciated by quite a few people...so keep it up. Hope you don'tdelete the next time.

fonta

Thank you!

For this comment. I've reposted it. I just felt so bad, but now I realize I should have kept it on.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Anonymous
http://youtu.be/cjkvC9qr0cc

Moral Hortulanus94

...if you don't care for the weather on the DP one day...give it another day. The weather might be totally different. All storms pass.

Sometimes when we post an article it is commented on by a handful of people. That handful never represents the attitudes of everyone. Further when a comment is on top and totally disrupts a post, it is always a flag to those of us who see merit in the post to comment yet again so the negative comment moves down and allows for more discussion.

I am so glad you re-posted and am glad I had a small part in your doing so! I am also grateful to the gentleman who wrote the article and his friend who also posted on this thread. Further, I am grateful for Muslims4RonPaul and those of the Islam faith who care so much about liberty that they risk bigotry and ignorance being directed toward them while their very presence on this blog sets an example for all of us in practicing the Golden Rule which is also very much represented in their texts.

I would also warn against believing articles and so-called exposes pulling isolated texts out of religious tomes (out of context) and not realizing that they often are depicting a historical time and stance rather than the overall tenets of the faith. Old Testament is certainly a great example and there are others.

fonta

thanks :)

And very well said. I couldn't agree more.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Anonymous
http://youtu.be/cjkvC9qr0cc

Oddly enough

Oddly enough, Mormons and Zionists didn't use to be considered social conservatives.

Suggest you recheck your premises.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Social conservatism is fine

So long as it isn't legislated and forced upon everyone. As a Christian, I believe that's the state taking the place of the church and God.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Anonymous
http://youtu.be/cjkvC9qr0cc

me too.

me too.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Delete

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Ron Paul would down vote this

Because he sees people as individuals not as collective groups.

This post is hate filled and assumes that all religious people that vote for their values believe in the things you state here. This is simply not true.

Also, the only people that should be happy about Obama being re-elected are those who support his policies and voted for him. He is bad news for all Americans economically.

Instead of alienating the "religious right" you should build bridges and find ways of drawing them into your party. This is what Ron Paul does.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

I disagree

Ron Paul would read it and try to understand where the other person was coming from. He's very good at actually seeing other people as human beings who deserve to have their thoughts heard and understood. He doubt he'd down vote this, even if he doesn't up-vote it, but instead would see more clearly how liberty would solve the problem presented in tis article, too. He would feel sorry that these things have happened.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Geesh....

This post assumes nothing of the kind. There really is a collective, a group of activists and pastors considered to be "the religious right". Look up "The Family". The poster did not make an assumption that all religious people do these things. They were very specific.

And, sending out an anti-Muslim video is a perfect demonstration of how the radical Evangelicals are the key to the Neoconservative take-over of the GOP. Do you think megachurches are built with tithes? There are powerful (human) forces behind what is, yes, collectively called the "religious right".

Whenever I see a knee-jerk and defensive reaction to information like this all I see is one thing: guilt. Perhaps not, but to deny that Evangelical Extremists, some such as The Family who are very influential, are actively supporting a policy of religious genocide in the Middle East is naive, and sheepish.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Religious right just means

Religious right just means you are religious and on the right.

It's a meaningless overbroad term that has been used to smear good people before.

What, shall we talk about the religious left? ie social welfare politics etc.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

geez

if you actually knew what 'religious right' is MOST OF THE TIME, you'd agree. you should get beyond left vs. right paradigm...

Please no

If you are going to be that obtuse about semantics, then fine, go ahead and feel insulted. As most of us who are awake know, for six years now we have faced the "false left/right" paradigm. There is no defined right or left anymore. No one even knows what it means. The "right", the GOP, etc... are Neocons now so they are actually left wingers.

When someone uses the term "religious right", they are talking about activist Christian fundamentalists who have a lot of pull in Washington. Pat Robertson, that fat gay guy who blames hurricanes on gay people, etc... They do not mean all religious people with a political philosophy.

Ron Paul isn't "right wing". I am not (take the Nolan Chart quiz). No one in the Liberty movement or Ron Paul Republicans are "right wing". So, why would you be a right wing person supporting Dr. Paul?

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Agreed. This is a blatantly

Agreed. This is a blatantly anti-Christian post. Additionally, the religious right are not the reason for Romney's loss, contrary to what the media talking heads will tell you.

Jesus

Make a federal issue out of it, why don't you? lol

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hmm

Some might consider me a religious conservative, since my vote is affected by my view of morality which corresponds to my religion which some might consider to be evangelical. And my conservative religious view is why I voted for Ron Paul. I don't think the concerns of the original post have as much to do with religion as they do with philosophy of government. But I would disagree with the gist of the post because morality is the only thing you can legislate; all laws have something to do with morality. The post seems more of a spiteful stab at a people group than a constructive communication.

Apples to Oranges Fallacy

Everyone votes based on their morality. I fully agree that the article referenced was based largely on governing philosophy. But, the philosophy of the religious right/extremists/whatever is based on theocratic principles and religious genocide in defense.

While you are loosely correct in that all laws have to do with morality of some sort, you are incorrect to compare that to Christian morality, especially of Biblical literalists. Murder is wrong for libertarian principles, it is an act of aggression against property (your life). The Bible used by the groups in question condone, and in some places command, slavery, murder, infanticide, rape, kidnapping, incest, etc... All of those are unlawful in our society - not because of religion at all, but because they go against basic principles and learned effect of human interaction.

I believe it is a semantics problem. "Morality" is hard to define. You cannot, in reality, legislate morality because that assumes everyone is subject to the same one. I probably agree with you on 9 out of 10 issues - but I also do not doubt that you and I have differences in our personal morality. That is why people, who are not part of these Evangelical groups, talk of "legislating morality" negatively, because they disagree with them on what morality is. The Evangelical groups on the other hand want their personal morality to be forced on everyone equally.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Wouldn't "moral" come from the two words "more El"?

"More El" would mean "more God". Our English ancestors liked to put words together from other words. Examples: "already"=all ready. "complain" = "come plain". So thereby would not a law that God gives in the Bible in the Old testament or New testament, be a "moral" leading to "more God" ?