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Secession, Seriously? Fight or Flight?

One of my best friend's is an Obama loving, government worker. Do I hate him and want to go to war with him? Good Lord, no. I love him as a person. We agree to disagree and respect each other very much. We get into heated discussions trying to solve the world's problems, and have a very good time doing so over a few beers or more. We don't agree on everything, but he's still my bro no matter what.

Stop sucking your thumbs and crying, "secede!" Many conservatives today sound like children saying they're going to run away from home.

Fight or flight?

Fight or secede?

Fight or run away from your own country?

America is worth fighting for. Please stay home. Don't leave. Fight for what you believe in...because in another four years the political tides will turn once again, as they always do.

Right now is high tide for the democrats and low tide for the republicans. Just give it time...things will soon change, but only if you stay in the fight.

Don't leave now. Instead of leaving, let's start a political fire under the asses of the GOP, shall we?

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Just like those cry babies

Just like those cry babies whinning about the king in the mid 1770's...

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You are an idiot.

I voted you down after your first paragraph. You state that you have a friend who hates liberty and votes to suppress your rights and to force government upon you. If this person is your friend then you are just as much an idiot as he is. If you respect this person then you are a respecter of stupidity.

And you further prove your stupidity by giving this secession hog wash another look. It is obvious that this is all some put on by the PTB using even more useful idiots to further their cause. Individuals do not petition the federal government for their state to secede. This is just a bunch of bull.

I think you are a disinformation troll.

The Bill of Rights is worth

The Bill of Rights is worth fighting for. But America, as it is currently constituted, is not. He's dead, Jim.

Fight with any means available

including secession.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Hear ye! Here ye! Mr Frankin meets His Majesty Louis Our King.

[Translated from original French at the dawn of America's declaration of Independence.]

Your Majesty, Mr Franklin has arrived...

Mr Franklin [w/ John Adams] Meets King Louis of France. English subtitles.] King Louis politely to Ben Franklin . He laughs at John Adams. 6 minute theatre.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

I am home.

"America" is long dead, if it even ever existed. America is an ideal, not a place.

My home - at least on this old Earth - is on North Carolina red clay.

When I push for secession, I'm standing up for my home. It's not running away - if anything, it's drawing a line in the sand.

A line in red clay might last longer.

More durable. Best wishes,

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Common Law

The bad news is that 99 percent of the people coexisting in this great land, Earth, and this America Country too, are failing to uncover the truth that sets them free from harm by criminals who happen to have stolen government.

Trial by Jury can still work, and work as well, or better, than it did when it was first used in England after Magna Carte became the Law of the Land there, and then, when the criminals stole government in England, the free people relocated to America, bringing Trial by Jury, and Common Law along, and that worked wonders.

Jumping ahead in the story, after Trial by Jury was nullified effectively by more devious criminals calling themselves Federalists, promising one thing, and then working to make a Central Bank instead, and don't even think you can blame me for anything, shooting the messenger, because Patrick Henry spelled it all out without any help from me, jumping ahead is the concept of State Nullification.

Secession now is the cart dragging the horse into a lake.

Nullification could work at the State level, but that too is the cart dragging the horse into a lake.

Trial by Jury, and Common Law, drives the cart, as Jurors who know better, set each other free, if anyone is on Trial for failure to pay a tax that is, in FACT, "providing the means by which we suffer", so look in the mirror before YOU blame your "liberal" friend, and ask how many times YOU were a juror trying a case of FEDERAL INCOME TAX EVASION and YOU nullified any POWER supposedly wielded by the ILLEGAL IRS?

Self-Government by idiots is exactly what idiots get.

If we band of brothers and sisters act intelligently, as individuals, on juries, or in our own ways demanding to be free from the Extortion Income Tax, or any "Federal" punishment of any kind, which are demonstrably against the Bill of Rights, then the State governments become the power to intervene on our behalf, each State working to chain down the Federal usurpers to that Constitution with the Bill of Rights, once the Income Tax is nullified, step by step, by The People with Trial by Jury, sweeping the Country, us knowing better than to act "on behalf" of those criminals collecting that tax, all it takes is 1 in 12, to set each of us free, IF we are targeted and singled out to be "made an example" of, once the power of the IRS is gone, then THE FED power vanishes with it, as the actual fact of the matter is that our intelligent use of our brains, for something other than a hat rack, should be individuals, everywhere, demanding payments in honest money, for any thing sold, any service rendered, one transaction at a time, again like a wave sweeping across the country, nullify the power of the FRAUDULENT money that does, in fact, steal all the wealth in this country, because too many of us are stupefied into this abject belief in the legitimacy of using money made by criminals, at our cost, and at their benefit, as we, in this very way, provide the means by which we suffer.

When we do that, as individuals, the group of intelligent Friends of Liberty, each on their own, and the total sum of all that positive productive thought and action, nullifying the criminal law power made legal by those same criminals, they, the criminals, will no longer be financed by us, so that they, the criminals, over power us, like too many tics, too many leaches, too many vampires, all attached to a productive, living, being, and for lack of merely knowing to pick those parasites off, the host dies.


What are we made of, to allow such a fate, for ourselves, and posterity?




Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

How stupid can the victims get?


I left...

but I sure miss The States...I just won't allow my kid to witness, and live in that tyranny...

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
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America was founded because

America was founded because it seceded from England. Enough said.

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I don't trust the

Petitions to CONvenient. I think we are still asleep and not really as awake as we may think, in other words I think we are being used.

Liberty is a BAIT word used in revolutions over the centuries and they always end up in worse shape than when they started. I am thinking of the Russian, Chinese, Cuban revolutions etc. IMO

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

It sends a VERY loud message...

that the People are extremely dissatisfied with the performance of the Federal Government.

If what you believe in is Liberty...

you will support secession.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

People are signing petitions

People are signing petitions in an effort to save our country, not run from it. You do understand, right? that America was founded by secessionists. Nobody is running from anything. None of those petitions are binding in any way. Its simply a mass protest against DC. I am thrilled that people are finally starting to speak out and stand up for what America is supposed to be. Secession is an admission of the willingness to take control of our own lives and our own states. Its saying that we don't need a Federal Govt to run our lives. You should be proud of your fellow Americans for standing for liberty with their signatures. These people are trying to save this country, not run from it.

Blessings )o(

Actually it could be life binding

Because people are already starting a movement to have us all locked up and deported.
100,000+ have petitioned against us.

For the most part

I am in agreement, but the founders did not ask for permission to secede. Signing a petition is in no way shape or form comparable to what the founders did. If they gathered enough signatures for to petition the king, he would have laughed and then watch those among the list hang.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

I know my history,

Maybe you should read and comprehend a persons comment before you reply, I said the founders did not petition to secede, they just did it. And them petitioning the king to lower taxes proves my point that they (petitions) are a joke, for the king raised them.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James