NH Republican vote recount cancelled!

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"...the Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether." http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

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we will get the money there tomorrow. the bank didn't get it to us by three pm, but sec of state said he'd look at it if the money showed up

CONCORD – A recount of all Democratic ballots from the New Hampshire Presidential Primary last week gets under way this morning.

The campaign of U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich gave Secretary of State William Gardner a check yesterday for $25,000 to begin the process, which will start at the state Archives building in Concord at 9:30 a.m.

Gardner said Albert Howard, the Republican candidate who paid $2,000 when he requested a recount, did not turn over money to pay for a Republican recount by the 3 p.m. deadline yesterday.

"There is no Republican recount at this point," Gardner said. If Howard were to come up with the money during the Democratic recount process, Gardner said he would make a decision on whether to start counting GOP ballots.

"If the money were to show up, I'd deal with it at that point," he said.

Granny Warrior's website (1 AM Wednesday)

Sure sounds like they have a different view, judging by this latest update.

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All the donations will be returned as soon as we can. There was some expenditures which we will have to figure out how to work out.. the air plane tickets, the filing fee $2,000 and hopefully a few dollars for Albert for his time and trouble. He is a working man and has lost some valuable work time due to this .
It may also be a smart thing to just keep this money aside in case we need it for Michigan or another state. this is definately not the end. Rose has already seen some misdeeds in Mi. The machines were broken and people were told to just put their ballots in a box and they would be run later when the machines were working again? sounds like something not right there too.

http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

Great thread, horrid untrue title

nuff said for resurrection.

With All Due Respect To BBV

I would be extremely negligent if I did not point out that, of the entire voting process she, by default, is the most suspect entity.
I would not want to read that at some point in the next few days, a potential hand recount had been canceled due to lobbying on her part; that such a recount would be pointless due to a fact similar to ... armed guards hadn't been sitting vigelently over the ballots 24/7 for the past few days.
I understand the chain of custody theory and its flaws but I do have some degree of faith in our enforcement community and some more in the integrity of the secretary of state. I have absolutly no faith in the company that programs the vote counting equipment, which I believe was the point of this recount, a spot check.
Bev Harris, as much as I like her work, is from my understanding, able to extract her living from the continuation of distrust in the voting process. This distrust will only grow if this recount is canceled through her "intervention".
I hope the Kucinich people are aware of this also, although again I suspect their true motivations.

RECOUNT THE VOTES!

Not True!

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Dem+hands+o...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5563

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2008...

http://www.wmur.com/politics/15056906/detail.html

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

Sinking Feeling ..

Is anyone else getting a realy bad feeling about this ?

oh man... can you please update your post

and change the headline?

When I saw it I screamed nooooo in slow motion and immediately ran to the comments to make sure you were wrong.

please. don't. scare. me. like. that.

bad.

Yeah reformer change the title to "IT'S ON BABY"

We will get our vote count we just had a snag at the bank transfer.

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

Once and for all. Are the REPUBLICAN recounts starting tomorrow?

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not sure, I expect so

CONCORD – A recount of all Democratic ballots from the New Hampshire Presidential Primary last week gets under way this morning.

The campaign of U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich gave Secretary of State William Gardner a check yesterday for $25,000 to begin the process, which will start at the state Archives building in Concord at 9:30 a.m.

Gardner said Albert Howard, the Republican candidate who paid $2,000 when he requested a recount, did not turn over money to pay for a Republican recount by the 3 p.m. deadline yesterday.

"There is no Republican recount at this point," Gardner said. If Howard were to come up with the money during the Democratic recount process, Gardner said he would make a decision on whether to start counting GOP ballots.

"If the money were to show up, I'd deal with it at that point," he said.

Lots of outside people investigating the anomolies in NH primary

Go to this site
http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2008/01/the_d...

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

NOT Cancelled! Read here:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Dem+hands+o...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5563

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2008...

http://www.wmur.com/politics/15056906/detail.html

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat pork!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

They all say.."DEMOCRATS" and Howard hasn't paid yet!

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In The LORD Jesus Christ;
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BLACKBOX VOTING Leaving no stone untruned in recount!!

Read the comments on this site from Sat to today it is fascinating the effort going on in order to secure the recount. This is going viral big time. They got professional statisticians people in the trenches and no news on our site at all.
It's interesting reading at the forums below

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/show.cgi?tpc=1954&po...

The election integrity community is abuzz with news that candidate Dennis Kucinich will ask for a recount in New Hampshire, and Ron Paul fans have been pushing him to recount as well. Careful.

NEW HAMPSHIRE ELECTION INTEGRITY ADVOCATE NANCY TOBI IS CORRECT:

"We have no control over the ballot chain of custody and we have learned the pain from the 2004 Nader recount, in which only 11 districts were counted, chosen by a highly questionable person, and then nothing showed up. Now all we hear is how the Nader recount validated the machines."

As Tobi says, "A candidate asking for a recount may well be a tool used to 'prove' everything was okay and then that candidate will be further discredited."

I'll go further than that. The only way a recount makes any sense at all in New Hampshire is AFTER an assessment is made of the chain of custody issues. If the chain of custody isn't intact the recount won't be worth a cup of warm spit.

TOBI:

"This is high stakes.

"You do not walk into a battle ground not knowing where the snipers are, just because you were invited. Strategically, going into something like this where you have NO CONTROL is foolishness.

"And I say this as one of the strongest recount proponents of former times. Things I have come to learn and understand have changed my mind. The recount is someone else's game, not ours.

"In the recount, we have no control, and we have already lost 48 long hours of ballot chain of custody oversight.

"We need citizen control and oversight. This is not going to come from the recount. If the election was rigged...don't you think the riggers would have a backup Plan B for a rigged recount, knowing how easy it is to get a recount in NH?

No. It is time to take control. "

BLACK BOX VOTING:

The following is excerpted from our New Hampshire election protection information published in November 2007:

quote:

Knowing that the greatest opportunities for election fraud are with insiders, this tells us something about what to examine first. If you are a person with inside access in New Hampshire, because any candidate can ask to recount any location, if you plan to manipulate the election you'll want to make sure you can achieve ballot substitution, ballot removal, or ballot stuffing. You need a strategy just in case someone asks for a hand count.

WHAT'S THE POINT OF A RECOUNT IF THE CANDIDATE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW...

1) The name of all companies that print ballots for New Hampshire elections.

2) The ballot ordering history for each location, especially those using computerized voting systems and the inventory records for the current contest.

3) The ballot chain of custody plan for each location and for the state of New Hampshire.

IMMEDIATE CONCERNS

- We don't have information on ballot inventory records.

- With ballots and recounts, it's all about blocking ballot substitution. To achieve substitution, you need extra ballots. If you get more ballots, someone might follow the money trail and ask you why you're sitting on 10,000 or so blank ballots. So you need some workarounds.

BALLOT CHAIN OF CUSTODY WAR STORIES

Patriot Richard Hayes Phillips, while writing his brilliant upcoming book "Witness to a Crime," uncovered evidence that an Ohio County took delivery on 10,000 off-the-books ballots in 2004.

Employees for the Diebold ballot printing plant slipped us financials showing that Diebold was printing 25% more ballots than ordered. This could be handy: If a governmental entity doesn't take official delivery on ballots, Plan B can sit at a print house somewhere, on private property and absent from either government bookkeeping or public records.

CONVICTED FELONS

The Diebold ballot printing plant at the time we got records on the overages, was being run by a convicted felon who had spent four years in prison on a narcotics trafficking charge. No, not New Hampshire's voting machine programming exec Ken Hajjar, who cut a plea deal in 1990 for his role in cocaine distribution. This was another convicted felon, John Elder, who ran the Diebold ballot printing plant; he's now an elections consultant.

We have so far been unable to learn whether New Hampshire has convicted felons printing their ballots; we've got a records request in on this. New Hampshire officials like to say "The state prints the ballots" but they sure aren't printed in Secretary of State Bill Gardner's office.

Frank S., one of the new breed of citizens jumping in to take back control of our elections, took the initiative on his own to help today by spending several hours trying to find the ballot printer in NH. It may be that convicted felons print the ballots: Frank turned up evidence that one state-paid printing vendor is NHCI - New Hampshire Correctional Industries, a prison-based printing outfit.

New Hampshire Correctional Industries is a job training program for inmates. After they get out of prison they have a skill! I'm not sure we want a bunch of ex-convicts running around in New Hampshire with ballot printing expertise, so I hope a different ballot printing vendor will show up.

Any candidate seeking a recount needs to know this stuff.

IDENTIFY NARROW SPOTS IN THE PIPELINE

What is the smallest number of people with access, and at what points does centralization of access occur?

WHERE HAVE THE BALLOTS BEEN DURING THE LAST 48 HOURS

If there's going to be a recount of this magnitude, we need to know whether checks and balances have been followed. Let me give you an example of what I mean: In San Mateo County, California, citizen Brent Turner asked for ballot chain of custody records for 2007; a six-week gap in the access logs was revealed in the documents.

SHOULD CANDIDATES RECOUNT NEW HAMPSHIRE?

In concept I love the idea, but as it currently stands, it makes me queasy. They're walking into this blind about the details that make or break the integrity of the process.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD

Tobi calls for doing a real investigation in order to take corrective action by November. I'm not sure about that. New Hampshire had hearings on the hackable Diebold optical scan machines, and didn't take any action to mitigate the risks.

New Hampshire knew it was running elections on machines that can't be trusted. And today, thanks to the efforts of two more citizen volunteers, I learned that the New Hampshire Secretary of State knew about the narcotics trafficking conviction of Ken Hajjar, yet still authorized LHS to code every memory card in New Hampshire.

Harri Hursti himself testified in New Hampshire in Sept. 2007, urging them to disconnect the wiring allowing reprogramming of the memory card through the modem port. New Hampshire took no action.

New Hampshire didn't take even the half-step actions other states used to beef up voting machine security.

Maybe there are better ways to skin this cat.

THE IDEA OF A RECOUNT STILL INTRIGUES ME BUT...

At this moment I can't think of a way to offset the chain of custody unknowns. The last thing we want is a recount that doesn't answer our questions, or raises new suspicions that aren't answered.

There must be a way. It's been a long day. Let me think on that.

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

I knew it.. go to

Hi all, and quick responses to some of these points:

Brian, thanks very much for the spreadsheet and Chris, thanks for the analysis.

A word about spreadsheets: One reason we got out of the gate so quickly in New Hampshire was that Black Box Voting did the tedious work of putting every location matched up with hand count or Diebold/LHS count and published it for everyone to have before the numbers even started rolling in. When Brian and others provide spreadsheets, it offers a great shortcut for others to crunch their own numbers. Just preparing the spreadsheet takes time.

Caveat: When you get a spreadsheet from someone else, you have to quickly check every input number to make sure whoever put in the raw data didn't have typos. Nothing would be more embarrassing than announcing a grand conclusion based on a typo. You also have to eyeball the formulas entered, for the same reason.

I will say that I am privy to some back-channel information and that someone else has been doing an entirely different study, using a slightly different approach to Chris, and was coming up with the same issue. I got the more detailed results of that study about 10 minutes before receiving Chris's information on Friday, and Chris, I hope you don't mind, but I forwarded your info to the EDA statisticians with a note. I know they appreciated it. They are right now in the process of further examination and confirmation of initial findings.

I encourage other statistically-minded individuals to crunch the numbers. The Republican numbers need to be crunched! And another study that needs to be done is a comparison of the initial results reported to the media with the official results.

One more caveat: As new statistical analyses roll in, especially if significant anomalies are found and get legs in the blogosphere, you will see false analyses show up, planted to weaken the message. Beware of anything from an unknown entity that contains what looks like a knockout punch. We see these things all the time. They're called "honey pots" and they're usually (a) EASY to understand for people not statistically inclined (b) DRAMATIC conclusions and (c) Just enough "Wow!" details to get legs along with just enough information that someone will come in and debunk -- after it has been widely reported.

We're in the realm of power politics, and they are well versed in use of the Internet for damage control.

1-15-08: Can recount chain of custody be rescued?
At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire recount for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good thing, because unless chain of custody can be documented properly, the recount doesn't provide real answers.

Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a statewide recount today, only two counties, and the Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether. I'll write more on the details later this week.

I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New Hampshire. Donations have been helping underwrite the costs of a citizen dream team: I invited four outstanding people to join me here to evaluate chain of custody for the recount: Susan Pynchon (Florida Fair Elections Coalition, has helped unravel the Sarasota situation); Melisa Urda (Illinois Ballot Integrity Project, has helped get the Illinois attorney general to issue a special directive ordering DuPage County to follow the law); and Paddy Shaffer (Ohio Election Justice Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election Defense Alliance Sally Castleman, have been organizing a team of citizen videographers, while Bruce O'Dell and Theron Horton have been quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint locations with unusual footprints. (I also hoped to have the great Kathleen Wynne, but had to red-eye out to New Hampshire on such short notice that the timing didn't work this time.)

VERDICT: New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of custody properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of state has said he doesn't know where its memory cards are, and LHS has been encroaching on state elections with near-total control. I'll be preparing a Special Report when I return from New Hampshire with documents and video to support this assessment.

VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION?

In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward to a central location for recounts. We got a tip today that the location would be the state archive building, so we went there hoping for a walk-through.

There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the ballots and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited and cameras would be confiscated if people were caught doing this. The rationale, we were told, was that they had placed the ballot delivery area in a state building with a parking lot that belonged to a mental hospital located on the grounds about a block away. On the theory tha... More

1-12-08: Red Flags over New Hampshire
New Hampshire's 2008 primary election may prove to be the most fascinating presidential preference race in history.

- Both Democrat and Republican candidates have requested recounts

- More than half of New Hampshire's elections administrators hand count paper ballots in public at the polling place, with a public chain of custody. The rest of New Hampshire's towns and cities use Diebold voting machines to count votes in secret, with a secret chain of custody.

- Hand count and machine count locations, when calculated statewide, show an eerie statistic:

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

- Two hand count towns reported "zero" votes for candidate Ron Paul to the media, even though they did have votes for him. The town of Sutton reported zero, but had 31 votes; the town of Greenville reported zero, but had 25 votes. The two towns had misreported results affecting exactly the same candidate in exactly the same way.

- Results in many locations arrived up to four hours late on Election Night, surprisingly, from machine-counted locations -- not hand count locations;

- A single private entity had control over coding for every memory card in New Hampshire. According to the contract for LHS Associates, this firm requires a right of access to any voting machine at any time, services the machines, maintains the machines and handles repairs, replacements and troubleshooting on Election Day.

- Ken Hajjar, a key employee of this sole source private entity, LHS Associates, has a criminal record for narcotics trafficking. The state of New Hampshire knew of this conviction but approved the contractor anyway. According to a complaint filed with the New Hampshire Attorney General, Hajjar had called the Dan Pierce radio show in 1999 and threatened to rig an election.

- A high number of "other" votes appeared in Manchester, where over 570 people apparently decided to go to the polls and choose none of the first tier OR second tier candidates.

- The voting system in New Hampshire was updated, but to a version that had been proven to be vulnerable in studies in Florida and California. Instead of upgrading to newer versions which at least claim to address known security vulnerabilities, New Hampshire chose to implement none of the beefed up procedures or upgraded versions that other states are using.

Citizens from many different states are now examining New Hampshire's ballot chain of custody, because if that is as weak as their voting machine controls, the recounts will just produce new questions.

A newly aroused citizenry in New Hampshire and elsewhere is telling New Hampshire "trust us" is NOT the way to run elections.

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

um..

We are running as Republicans, sir.

What?

I just read that article and I am not seeing anything about canceling. They are continuing to count tomorrow.

Until the Election is Won!
Chaplain Steve
Ron Paul - Lion of the Constitution

Until the Election is Won!
Chaplain Steve
Ron Paul - Lion of the Constitution

CONCORD IS THE PLACE FOR RECOUNT

Okay, I just got off the phone with the Sec'y of State's office; ALL ballots, from EVERY jurisdiction in New Hampshire, are being trucked to Concord for the recount. That means EVERY SINGLE BALLOT CAST will be recounted, and the PAPER ballots from the Diebold districts will be counted (as opposed to simply recounting the machine totals). The recount will commence at approx. 900am tomorrow morning, at the Archives Building in Concord, located at 71 South Fruit St. Anyone in the public is welcome to come, so I suggest anyone checking in here please go down and monitor the process closely. The campaigns are allowed to name particular monitors (I imagine they get a position close enough to read the tick marks on the ballots, whereas the public just watches the process from a gallery). I'm going to notify the campaigns as best I can, but if any readers know people from inside the campaigns, please notify them and have them contact the SoS's office to insure access.

Good luck, people.

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

If this is true it is excellent

..for one thing, it proves The Sec of State is proud of his state, and if something is really wrong, he wants to know about it, too. Not unlike RP and the newsletter, this guy probably wears a lot of hats in a small state and can not know everything that is going on, It seems the votes and voters mean something to him and I am certain he will begin to put some procedures in place for various things, from now on. Seems he is not afraid of scrutiny like some others were (bothers me) , and wants to know, too, if each person's votes count, or not.

Once and for all...IS THAT FOR THE REPUBLICANS, or just Dems

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