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White House response to secession-type petition. Have you been snookered?

These petitions mean NOTHING. This is a way to weasel around the People's right to redress grievances. Well, it is also a great way to get restless people to self identify, but it does nothing for liberty. AJ either misspoke or lied about there being a law demanding action. The White House graciously agrees to "review" and "respond" at 25,000 signatures. Here is what the website says:
"The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response."
What does "respond" mean? There are 82 examples of a response on their website.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/responses
Here is one:

A petition reached the required number of signatures regarding "Restore democracy by ending corporate personhood."

The White House reviewed it, sent it to the appropriate agencies, and issued this response:

"Building a Government that Serves Ordinary Americans, Not Special Interests

By Tonya Robinson

Thank you for taking the time to participate in the We the People petition process. We launched this online tool as a way of hearing directly from you and are pleased to see that it has been effective in soliciting your feedback. We understand your interest in the petition to support "ending corporate personhood," and we appreciate this opportunity to share the Obama Administration's stance on this issue.

First, you should know that the President believes the Supreme Court's ruling in the Citizens United case that you referenced is contrary to the public interest, in large part because it has resulted in lobbyists and special interest groups having greater, and less transparent, influence on elections. As soon as the Court announced its decision in 2010, the President instructed his Administration to get to work immediately to forge a bipartisan response to this decision. The Administration continues to work with Members of Congress and other stakeholders to find a negotiated solution to the dire results of Citizens United.

The President's disagreement with Citizens United is consistent with his long-standing commitment to make government decision-making more accessible and responsible to ordinary Americans. Under his direction, this Administration has taken historic steps to close the "revolving door" that carries special interest influence in and out of the government. For the first time in history, we now publicly disclose the names of everyone who visits the White House. The President also strongly supported a bill in Congress that would have required the disclosure of the names of corporate donors that finance political ads – legislation that Congress failed to enact.

President Obama has repeatedly challenged business as usual in Washington, and will continue to fight to preserve the American democratic tradition. Thank you once again for signing the online petition."



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And clout is what matters, not truth?

Got a mouse in your pocket? Who is "we?" You seem to be taking this personally - maybe you think you are AJ?

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Maybe AJ didn't lie or misspeak

maybe, just maybe in all your wisdom, you just misunderstood what he was referring too. As I have pointed out..

And yeah when someone gets snarky in some way then it becomes personal.

Maybe you think you can read AJ's mind?

Oh and "clout" means people trust... You have little clout compared to him and you may THINK you are telling the truth but maybe you're just wrong.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Go listen to the link.

Thanks for all the bumps, but this is the last time I am responding to your nonsense.
AJ lied, get over your little hurt feelings and grow up.
He makes his living peddling fear and selling survivalist gear. Some of the gear is good, and a lot of what he says is true. That is no excuse for not being able to face up to it when he lies.

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AJ did not lie he misspoke

Just 2 days ago AJ said he misspeaks a lot he has a whole list of talking points he had to cover.
If you have something to correct jones on call his show and correct him.
He said that the other day he also said he will apoligize if he makes errors.
He said sometimes by the time it's already out on air they don't correct him until after the show.

I said "lied or misspoke" in the OP - but it is irrelevant.

The point of the post was to make people stop pretending these petitions will free them. AJ left his listeners with the impression these petitions are vitally important and come under some Federal law - he is the one who said it, if he wished to make a correction that would be great. It is not my job to "un-misspeak" for him, all I wanted to convey was that he said was factually incorrect. Why he was wrong is immaterial to me, I just want the truth to be available for those who are interested.

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He said in other shows

That they are just petitions and prob will never get a White House response.
He said we must petition the legislators and start holding massive meetings on the state level using CFL and all the good guys we have in the system.
I never heard him say we just sign those eh petitions but to symbolically sign the Declaration of Independence.
That is what he is pushing for.
For us to make a pledge..
Ron Paul even said we prob will never get a response from the WH other.

My nonesense? You're the one who doesn't understand gthe way the

system was formed. You're just another ignorant hippie.. tend to your fishes and leave the government to those that understand it.

I don't get my feelings hurt by morons like yourself..just stating why people react to you the way they do. You make snarky comments, expect that and more in return.

So this really has little to do with the petitions and is really an attack on AJ... That's why you spend your time listening to him when you think so horribly of him.. you're just looking for things to go fishcunt over.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

The seccession stuff is silly

Would this be happening if Romney was elected? No. And, everyone on DP knows that Romney and Obama are identical in governing philosophy.

Everyone who signed on is "snookered". This is just another ploy by the Neocon media to create division and make the Neocommunists look like patriots. They will soon "revive" the Teocon Party and next thing you know that retarded lady Palin will be on TV every week. And on and on it goes.... So easy to spot - hard to believe sheep fall for it over and over.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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The Obama bots would have immediately taken to the streets

...and rioted if Romney had won, IMO. No petitions would have been written.

So....

They are equally stupid and controlled by the fake right/left paradigm. And??

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

If the president was really

If the president was really for ending corporate personhood, couldn't he just issue one of his many executive orders?

Suggested New Petition - Ban on Police State Toys

Ban the police state toys that should only be suitable for war-zones, not domestic policing.

bwahahahahaa. I expect an

bwahahahahaa.
I expect an equally or greater response from some Whitehouse webmaster for the secession petitions. NONE OF THESE will go to the president. NONE OF THESE will be reviewed.

Southern Agrarian

Thanks!

I expected the first reply to be a blistering defense of AJ. What a pleasant surprise your evil laugh was!

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I'm sure he was referring to a "redress of grevieances"

I'm fairly sure that there are procedures in place that demand a response to formal petitions from the people. Since we've moved into a time where we seemingly now have a dictator, the government is just less inclined to follow those laws as it sees fit.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Ah - are you AJ's external brain? Why are your "sure?"

What he said was a "Federal law." There is no such Federal Law. As for the redress of grievances, this is a White House ruse to stop any future efforts like this:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/

Bob Schultz has spent decades PROPERLY attempting to petition for redress of grievances. After the 2008 election, we held a Continental Congress with elected representatives and all.... Learn about what Bob Schultz did and is doing before you decide you know what AJ meant.

If you are "fairly sure" there are procedures in place that Bob Schultz has overlooked, PLEASE give me some links!

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Don't get snarky with me.

The Bill of Rights is a Federal Document. Therefor, it is federal law.. see how that works? It's not federally suggested reading.. it IS the law.

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Please provide a source

Federal documents are all laws? The Bill of Rights are Federal law? I can't find anything that supports that, can you?

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To clarify

I understand that the Constitution is "The Law of The Land" but the "right to redress grievances" is a RIGHT, not a law. These meaningle3ss petitions are the fulfillment by the Obama administration of their "legal" obligation.
They will not result in secession.
They will not even be handed to Obama.
They are not even gathering legitimate signatures.

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That shows me you don't know the first thing about

history and how this country came into being.. and you think you're about Liberty.

Patriot Cell #345,168
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.