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Ready to leave Dodge (New York). We're now looking at Maine. Any suggestions?

My husband and I have had it here. We're looking for better life for our children.

For years I wanted to get out of this country, but that really doesn't seem possible with a large family, so the next best thing is to find a better state to live in that is not as regulated, taxed, or communist-minded.


We originally chose Montana, but we now think it is too far. Work is still a problem. Any suggestions will be very helpful!

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if the government will

if the government will overreach for speeding, what is next?

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I know of some oil refineries that are being built or

upgraded over there. I can lend my talents to that.

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Currently reading "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"

It's rather interesting that he (John Perkins, the author) got his start in Ecuador, in the Peace Corps. Also that he participated in the US empire-building.

Please, if you do help the oil refineries, ensure that they benefit the people and are not foreign-owned. This is not an appeal to communism, it is an appeal to liberty. Cheers.

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Not from personal experience;

but when I was in Tampa, people were handing out brochures promoting New Hampshire. Might be something to consider as it's not TOO far from family in NY & seems to have the things you mentioned. I left NY in 07 & I have no desire to return. Good luck.



Edited to add: http://freestateproject.org/nhinfo

as far as NH... imo...still

as far as NH...

imo...still too close to Boston, too cold, too expensive, and high taxes.

I like www.freestatewyoming.com. Cold there as well though. Devils Tower area in Crook County is beautiful.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Weather was definitely a negative for me as well.

However, the OP didn't mention it though. As far as expensive & high taxes, it sure doesn't seem that way from the brochure - then again, I've never been, don't know anyone that's been, and don't believe everything I read :-)

Come to Cascadia

I personally recommend the Pacific Northwest (Washington, Oregon, B.C., Idaho, Montana, Alaska). Lots of room to live, lush green forests and many other beautiful natural attractions, rains a lot (which I like), good hunting and fishing, mostly gun friendly (Washington gets a little crazy sometimes). Recession/depression hasn't been to bad up here.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

Washington just got

Washington just got steamrolled by the enemy in the last elections. We have a corrupted state GOP that is intentionally (and really bad at keeping it a secret) leftist that makes sure no pro-liberty candidate gets any support and only neocons and RINOs get "the nod". This state is fixing to become California 2.0, thanks to influx of retard Californians who just don't realize their stupidity is what made their home state unlivable in the first place. Yeah, they are that stupid. Makes we wish Oregon was full of bandits to pick these self-propelled stomachs off before they made it to the border.


Spot-on description of what's happening here.

- native Washingtonian, trying to reform her expat Californian boyfriend

"They got us surrounded--the poor bastards!"

Back during 1940 and 1941, State of Jefferson organizers armed themselves and blockaded Highway 99 and collected tolls from motorists and passed out proclamations of independence. When a California Highway Patrolman turned up on the scene, he was told to “get down the road back to California”.
Building a wall and check points along the Oregon & California border seems very attractive, then and now.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

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The mother lode is a hot bed of Liberty. At the base of the foothills is Folsom the locals call it the DMZ zone between Sacramento and freedom.

Bravo for you!

And welcome to this trans-generational debate. It's been raging on for the past 40 years. FSP argued this one to death but there's that in NH, there's this "inner bastion" thing more kind of centered around Wyoming I think, Pastor Chuck led his flock to the Dakotas, Alaska has a pretty vigorous thing going, Arizona is still a relatively free place to live and work (or starve). Haven't heard much about Montana Freemen these days but the idea is there.

In general, it seems almost everyplace it's warm is no-go territory for us. Freedom seems to involve freezing our butts off. If only we understood why that is we might be able to change it.

The absolute priority for me is a state and locale that allows me to defend myself and those I protect. Everything builds from that for me. If we can't keep what we build, why build it?

Too bad Detriot and some cities are just freaking stupid that way because the idea of urban homesteading and community building really appeals to me. There's portions of liberal cities literally going back to nature, deer and animals running around...nearly free land and structures to rehabilitate or break down and recycle the materials into new structures. But I feel like anything we'd do there would bring rafts of regulators coming to dictate every detail of life.

But a project like that kinda brings back some of the explosive enthusiasm I had as a youth. A project like that I could dedicate the rest of my life to.

I discovered this thing about children. They grow up and go away but there's basically an endless supply of them out there that need parenting. Self-sustainability + children = retirement package.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

The pattern implies

The pattern implies this.
Free state = no economy no jobs. Florida for example, we call it "The Gunshine State" but try having a real career there.

I think there is some central planning involved, but also money attracts a huge parasite factor too (socialism - the more money, the more people showing up sticking their hand out).

Funny thing is, state nullification and perhaps even secession could make these Free-n-poor states into economic paradises but lo, the moment the refugees from the various Peoples Republiks (New York, Illinois, CA, etc) get to the free zone, what happens? They gotta work so hard at a low pay job, even more than one, there is no time left to fight for liberty.

It's like when Ron Paul ran the first time in 2008, it was hard not to notice how the meetup group brought a parking lot full of old cars and half-wrecked pickup trucks. So twice we just "didn't have the numbers" and heck half the time it was "I can't get to the caucus because I have to work that day".

That too, seems intentional.


find a town in Texas that has a constitutional sheriff.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016


No state extorted theft called income tax and moderate climate.


Research many states.

As a Hoosier, living only 20 mi. from IL, I can say there are great differences between the states. First, prioritize which liberties are most important to you. IN is a state with a huge budget surplus, 7% sales tax, 3.4% flat income tax and one of the lowest property tax rates in the country. We have the most liberal gun laws, business regulations and home schooling requirements. But one of the harshest marijuana laws.

From what I've read and experienced you want to avoid high tax, socialist-type states like NY, MA, CA, IL. I've heard many good things about ND, SD, MT, WY, ID, TX, IN. Weather is another factor that you might want to consider.

I think we've all given this

I think we've all given this some thought. My water mark is the day the Electoral College is abolished then it is time to high tail it out, no joke, no regrets, withdraw all deposits and run away.

Southern Agrarian

Left NY in 2006

Born and raised in NYC, finally had it, sold the house and moved to Las Vegas. Rest of the family still there. (My cousin's house was reduced to rubble in the storm. Another cousin's house has significant damage.)

I really like it here, but there's very high unemployment. The housing situation is bizarre in that it's affordable but unavailable.

Nevertheless, I hear people are still moving here (I haven't confirmed this myself.)

there is a quiet movement to Australia and new Zealand

It's a bit of a white flight thing but it is creating strong safe communities.

I considered that in the past

but that type of move is out of the question for our size family. Besides, what about your right to bear arms?

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

Where ever you go, there you are

Much luck to you and your family for a happy life.

I LOVE CA.. I LOVE my state, warts and all. Just the other day I was looking at fog bows...

Isn't there a Paul Gultch being established? I think there are a few Paul communities emerging. This may be a great time to go try Texas.


Since it's not too far away, why not NH? Only problem with NH is there aren't a lot of high-end jobs around here, but then again there really never were (hence the 80 minute commute to the metro Boston area!)

If moving distance isn't a problem, then I'd say Montana or Wyoming. Can't really go wrong with either one...provided that you don't mind your closest neighbor living 2 miles away.

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Many "survival" sites say Idaho - the view from here...

We are developing a farm in a very rural area. The neighbors are awesome. Low property tax, relatively minimal codes, but income tax is a killer. Sales tax is 6% - most folks on this side go to Oregon to shop if they can - no sales tax there (but outrageous property taxes.) We don't have a house yet, so we rented a place nearby. Our landlord ripped my husband a new hole for wearing a Ron Paul T-shirt. We have to support Mitt now, and we DO know that we HAVE to be at war, right? The local pawn / gold / second hand shop has the entire store front covered in anti-Obama messages, there is a concrete marker in downtown marking where the first white woman in Idaho was buried. Seriously - it cracked me up when I saw it. Or should I say, crackered me up?
There are really good people fighting amazing battles here, but the meetup was (from my observation) founded by infiltrators and remains useless under their direction. The battle for liberty here is fierce, but it is being done by individuals.
The state government has a reputation for being independent minded - BULLSHIT. It is entirely run by NWO tools. Butch Otter was a Libertarian, so they gave him Lori - his "honey pot" wife. Our last Governor bragged about Idaho's prison for profit system being a "growth industry." Judges, cops and lawyers (including public defenders) own stock in these prison systems. And when I say "prison" I mean the COUNTY JAIL. Larry Craig grew up in this sleepy little town where I am renting from Mittzilla. Somehow he wound up knee deep (or a bit deeper) in the Franklin Scandal - although no one cares to look at the evidence that implicates him. The little town I lived in a few years ago had a Sheriff's deputy come by and I swear - he looked like he was about to kidnap my grandson. He did not see me (I was behind a huge, 100+ year old tree from his perspective...) I can't prove anything - I went and got my grandson and took him inside for crying out loud! But I know too many Idaho politicians too well now. Ron Paul cured my delusions....
At any rate, understand that Idaho is lovely, serene and filled with good people, and probably a tinder box trap. Learn what happened at Ruby Ridge, learn about Edgar Steele, and learn about my family:

And learn about my friends:

On the plus side, people here ARE waking up. The little old ladies in the local GOP are on to Agenda 21 - that is much better than 4 years ago. However, they still worship the Bush family. We could use your help - if you decide on Idaho email me, and I will tell you whatever I can to help. But I do not want you believing the nonsense I read about this state. We are under the jack boot here, too.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Are you in Southern or Northern Idaho?

Friends of ours just moved to NW Montana.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

I'm at the edge of Hell, where Heaven begins.

Central Idaho, the "rim country" of Hell's Canyon. And I love it here, I forgot to say that.

Truly, Chuck Baldwin's "Liberty Fellowship" is a really good reason to move to Montana, and I am not a church going type.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

A question about your friend fishyculture

What does the 88 in Marcela's email address stand for? She certainly wasn't born in 1988. Is it code for Heil Hitler? H being the 8th letter of the alphabet, therefore HH=88? Are they white supremacist's?


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OK, I just spoke to Marcela

She got a huge chuckle out of this, as I knew she would.
She signed up for email, her name was taken, it suggested others. That one looked easy - easy to remember, easy to type.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

I will ask her, but it ain't that.

She is a saucy little Hispanic woman, he is a retired cop. He has been fighting for individual's sovereign rights, having learned how corrupt the system was as a good person in a corrupt police force.
They are some of the nicest people you could meet. I understand it is Idaho, but - no. Not these folks.
Funny thing, though. A lot of the "White Supremacist" stuff ispropaganda. I know several "White Supremacists" now and they really just want "white equality." It is like the gay thing - they put the "flamers" on TV to offend the old folks while every kid has a gay friend now - helps create division among people. There are very few "skin head Neo-Nazi" types in Idaho. Sorry to bust a stereotype.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.


for clarifying that as I thought it might look kind of odd to people. With all the stigma that is associated with Idaho.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul


for spreading some truth.

It has gotten to the point where one is labeled a "White Supremacist" when they speak against Affirmative Action, for *any* reason.

And don't even bother complaining about any sort of anti-White bias in media, or the fact that even a White person caring about their roots is somehow wrong and "racist", yet encouraged for everyone else.

It's just another way to make the founding stock of a nation (in this case, Whites...even though it shouldn't be so generalized but that's another subject) feel powerless and dehumanized. A people with no history are far easier to conquer, because they have nothing to fight for.

Also, the skinhead movement, ironically enough, was originally *against* White Supremacy. That, like so many other movements with good intentions, got co-opted. The Hitler Youth types are either ignorant or controlled opposition, in my experience anyway.

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