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Ready to leave Dodge (New York). We're now looking at Maine. Any suggestions?

My husband and I have had it here. We're looking for better life for our children.

For years I wanted to get out of this country, but that really doesn't seem possible with a large family, so the next best thing is to find a better state to live in that is not as regulated, taxed, or communist-minded.


We originally chose Montana, but we now think it is too far. Work is still a problem. Any suggestions will be very helpful!

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Texas is having some severe water shortage issues

I wouldn't want to be stuck on property without a well....water utility bills are astronomical

RP R3VOLution

If you dont like hot weather.

Then DONT come to Texas.

OK, thought so.

Texas is now off my list.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

i'd say get out of the

i'd say get out of the states. things are going downhill here pretty quickly. australia or canada is two places im researching. have two friends in british colombia and yes it's cold as crap there but they make $$ in their jobs get taxed more but the way their medical works there is awesome.

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Big Delta ?

Are you social ? Do you care about low temperatures ?

If neither holds, I'd try Big Delta surroundings :


Even when SHTF, it's unlikely a lot of crowds and mobs will want to flood up there and bother you.

I suspect you better be VERY self-reliant though.

I still like Northern California a lot but your "not as regulated, taxed, or communist-minded" constraint doesn't seem quite compatible with the latest trends over here :-/

Still working on / against it.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

seriously seriously seriously

self reliant

like make your own toilet paper reliant

/shivers run down spine

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Grand Rapids, MI

I love living in Grand Rapids, MI. It's a big enough city to do everything you want. Lots of art, music (weekly free blues music concerts int he summer), and diversity. Close to the lakes. Chicago, Detroit, and the northern wilderness are all just 2-3 hour drive. You can even go to the church where Ron Paul's brother is the pastor. The best part though is that I live down the road from one of our best libertarian congressmen Justin Amash. It's great to live in a place where you honestly appreciate and like your congressman.

The only bad part is the winter's are a bit rough. I tend to take off to Costa Rica to recharge for a week or two in the winter. My wife stays down a few months longer, though she's from Costa Rica so I don't blame her for getting sick of winter. You can check it out at experiencegr.com.

Bump for Grand Rapids

Grand Rapids is a great mid sized city, I live in Grand Rapids also.

I am too!

Wow ! small world! I love my town. It's growing by leeps and bounds but still has a small town feel. It's so clean and there is always some thing going on downtown. I have interacted with visitors from all around the world who have expressed amazment at why a gem like Grand Rapids is not better known.

The downside is that Grand Rapids was the first city to floridate the public water system. In fact it was proposed to place a giant molar sculpture in the Grand River to commorate this accomplishment.

It never happened.


I'd say Utah

Silver is legal tender in Utah, and can be used to pay all debts

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

I have a large family--4 children , my wife, myself and not to

mention one grandchild. We are seriously considering moving to Ecuador. Yeah, I know it's not a part of the U.S.A., however, according to International Living (of which I subscribe to) Ecuador has been number one on their list for the last several years for Americans, Europeans, Australians, etc. to move and/or retire to. Ecuador has a lot of ex-pats whom now are extremely happy in the decision they've made in permanently moving there. According to not only ex-pats but also employees of International Living whom can provide information and insight in reference to living in Ecuador. FRN's are the currency used there. Not to mention the cost of living is unbelievably low. For instance at a cost of anywhere from $600 to $1,500 a small family can live a fairy tale life. And for a large family $1,500 to $ 2,000 a fairy tale life. These figures include everything (i.e. rent, transportation, electricity, water, propane gas which is delivered to your doorstep if you wish, entertainment, food and alcohol if you drink, etc. And of course the $600 to $2,000 is per month. You can subscribe for one year to IL for $ 49.00. They have a conference coming up in Feb. 7-9, 2013 in Cuenca, Ecuador. So far 129 people have reservations. The aforementioned is a suggestion only and not a recommendation. However from the information and photos I've read and seen, the country of Ecuador is literally a beautiful and a magnificent country. And the coastline which runs the entire country is absolutely gorgeous much like say the Cayman Islands-- white sand and blue water.

My mom's friend lives there and mom has gone to visit her

The friend teaches English as second language. She is very comfortable there. She lives in an apartment in Quito (the capitol) and is basically right on the Equator.

The only downside is that the currency has been revalued twice since the friend has lived there. You just have to deal with it.

Indeed it is a good place to live

And you can be a dual citizen by showing proof of income of $500/month. That's it!

Oh yea and Ecuador is south of the equator so when the nukes start flying in the northern hemisphere.........

I am a human becoming, help me to become.

I thought I had read that

I thought I had read that ecuador doesn't allow dual citizenship...you must give up any other citizenship.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Ecuador does in fact allow .....

Dual citizenship.

I hear South Dakota is starving for workers

in its oil industry. Six figures and unemployment is one of the lowest in the nation.

Northern New Hampshire

Northern New Hampshire, where I moved after over a year of research.


If you really want to live

If you really want to live free in practice, AK is your best bet. There are places there where you really won't have any real contact with the oppressors, or anyone else fr that matter. Living like that is pretty Pioneer'y and rough, though. It is also the most likely state to get serious about seceding in real terms; with quite a few people less than entirely happy about how statehood came about.

Otherwise, NH is closest to NY, both geographically, socially and economically.. And plays host to FSP'ers and other freedom lovers that can help form both a social network, and give advice about ways to live free.

MT is Baldwin's pick, which ougt to carry some weight. WY has it's own FSP, ID was good enough for Bo Gritz and where Ruby Ridge took place, and is also seeing a hefty influx of fundamentalist Mormons, who for many reasons aren't exactly Friends of the Feds. I tend to think of all three as rather interchangeable; with a freedom culture somewhat different from NH, and also AK.

Another option is NV, particularly the Northern part. Although the extreme population concentration in Vegas is a problem vote wise. the Reno-Tahone area is becoming quite a business hub for refugees from CA, and is close enough to the Bay Area that it will probably get a nice boost economically from CA politicians' various stabs at economic suicide.

OR, get a boat big enough for the Fam, and cruise the world, assuming finances and interests allows for it :)

Regardless, look into transacting in Bitcoin, cash, gold and silver. No point leaving a bigger footprint than one has to.

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Reading your comment about secession...

In reading the secession comment, I had this image of the continuing evolution of the flag: going from 50 to 49 states, one star of tyranny would wink out. Then, later, another, and another, until all that's left is the flag of DC, the upper-left corner looking like a Windows blue-screen. :) (Well, without the text of the error message, that is...)

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The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States

"Your Checklist

I suggest that you follow these guidelines, as you prepare and then move to the American Redoubt:

Research geography, climate, and micro-climates very carefully.

Develop a home-based business.

Lighten the load. Keep the practical items but sell your junk and impractical items at a garage sale.

Bring your guns.

Sell your television.

Sell your jewelry and fancy wristwatch. Buy a Stihl chainsaw instead.

Choose your church home wisely, seeking sound doctrine, not "programs"

Leave your Big City expectations behind. There probably won't be cell phone coverage, high speed Internet, or Pilates.

Expect a long driving distances for work and shopping.

Sell your bric-a-brac and collectibles. What is more important? A large collection of Hummel figurines, or having a lot of good hand tools and Mason jars?

Switch to a practical wardrobe and "sensible shoes".

After your buy your land, convert the rest of your Dollar-denominated wealth into practical tangibles.

Begin homeschooling your children.

Sell your sports car and buy a reliable crew cab pickup.

Expect persecution and hardship. You will be despised for being true to your faith. (Just read 2 Timothy 3:1-12. and Matthew 5:10-14, and John 15:18-19.)

Encourage your kids to XBox and Wii less and read more.

Make a clean break by selling your house and any rental properties. You aren't coming back.

If you buy an existing house, get one with an extra bedroom or two. Some relatives may be joining you, unexpectedly.

Donate any older bulky furniture to the local charity store before you move.

After you move:

Don't try to change things to be like the suburb that you left behind. You are escaping all that!

Pitch in by joining the local Volunteer Fire Department (VFD), Ski Patrol, Sheriff's Posse, or EMT team.
Be a good neighbor.

Patronize the local farmer's market and craft shows.

Respect the property rights and the traditions of your neighbors.

Be active, politically, but use a pseudonym in letters to the editor an internet posts.

Use VPN tunneling, RSA encryption, firewalls, and anonymous remailers.

Support local businesses, and companies that are headquartered inside the Redoubt, not Wal-Mart.

Encourage like-minded family and friends to join you.

Stock up heavily on storage foods for lengthy power failures, or worse.

Do your banking locally, preferably with a credit union and/or a farm credit union.

Be active in local home school co-ops and service organizations.

Find and visit your local second-hand stores. Watch for useful, practical items that don't need electricity.

Conduct as much business as possible via barter or with precious metals.

Gradually acquire a home library that includes self-sufficiency books and classic books--history, biographies, and novels.

Join the local ham radio club. (Affiliated with the ARRL.)

Expect to be the subject of gossip. Live a righteous life so there won't be much to gossip about.

Loyally support your local church with tithes and support your local food bank

Get used to eating venison, elk, moose, antelope, trout, and salmon.

Attend some farm auctions in your region to gather a good collection of useful hand tools and a treadle sewing machine.

Attend gun shows in your state. (This keeps money circulating in the state and keeps you legal, for private gun purchases.)

Choose your fights wisely. Don't tilt at windmills, but when you feel convicted, don't back down.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul


Too many people moving to Montana now as it is..j/k Liberty lovers should flock here, but too many a-holes from CA. I live in Whitefish, Montana, beautiful little (kinda artsy) town on a ski resort. Lots of woods, lots of open space, beautiful mountains and lakes.

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Nice John....

sound advice :)

The best place to live is in a peaceful mind

....I've met plenty of people from all the "grandest" places to live and found most of them to be no more peaceful in their mind the most of the "well-adapted" San Franciscans I have as neighbors.

If you need to move somewhere to feel "peace" then you are going to be sorely disapointed.

I live in Northern California and no matter what anyone says (about taxes or anything else) as long as I can afford to live here I will. The weather, the people (laid back), the ocean, big cities 50 miles away -- now that's "living" to me. The hiking is tops in the nation. We have skiing 1.5 hours from here. Lots of fresh water.

I used to live in San Diego and I was "peaceful" there too, but then I had to move back up (un-expectedly) and now I'm peaceful here.

Peace = (Speed of Adaptation * Speed of Letting Things Go) SQUARED

The last free state is Alaska.

Plenty of places to hide, if your man enough.

anywhere but Rhode Island.


Where did Ron Paul get the highest primary vote?

Another strategy for selecting potential places to live would be to look at where Ron Paul got the highest 2012 Republican Primary vote percentage on a county by county basis.

I have made a casual search, but can't find a list like this.

It would be a great resource.

Ron Paul got 41% in Virginia


"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Yes, but many of them were

Yes, but many of them were protest votes against Romney. Newt and Frothy didn't make the ballot.

Johnson County, Wyoming

Combining this, and a few other heuristics, Johnson County Wyoming is one place that looks OK.