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Ready to leave Dodge (New York). We're now looking at Maine. Any suggestions?

My husband and I have had it here. We're looking for better life for our children.

For years I wanted to get out of this country, but that really doesn't seem possible with a large family, so the next best thing is to find a better state to live in that is not as regulated, taxed, or communist-minded.


We originally chose Montana, but we now think it is too far. Work is still a problem. Any suggestions will be very helpful!

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If Washington State could

If Washington State could only take everything west of the cascades and chop it off like a possessed limb, it would be like Montana.

The economy collapsing might be that amputation eventually, with only a fortresses around Boeing and Microsoft as being the last viable economic entities left in the region - they will be supermax security "disarmed yuppie enclaves". You want a job? You gotta live there. You want your guns and freedom? Go live in Yakima and starve to death with the rest of the bitter clingers - that's what the plan looks like so far.

High ground!

Always go for high ground. At least be close to it. This country has three sections of high ground. Pick one!

I'm in California but do not

I'm in California but do not come here, we're destroying it.....

Our town is raising our property taxes 2.5%, prop A passed (3% income tax increase), measure B passed (county property tax increase), measure A passed (county sales tax passed), prop 39 passed (new state wide corporate tax for green jobs, and the democrats have a super majority in the house and senate meaning they can raise taxes whenever they want.

Recently I was told by a lawyer, "Why make more than 350,000$ a year if I'm going to be taxed 50 cents on the dollar?" This lawyer said he works half as hard as he used to because of the taxes. Taxing any class even the wealthy destroys the economy.

Northeast Tennessee

Joel Scousen rates Tennessee at 3.5 stars in his book, "Strategic Relocation, which is the highest rating in the eastern states. Northeast Tennessee is protected by the Appalachian mountains to the east and the Cumberland Plateau to the west. Low population density, low minority population (/racism off) and good, moral and independent people. There are a lot of New Englanders here especially from NY and NJ. No state income tax codified by the state constitution!! Oh, and the Bristol Motor Speedway is here! Go NASCAR!
I highly recommend Northeast Tennessee!


Gold. Guns. Girls.

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Nothing beats Bristol under the lights

I can't wait until the end of August in Thunder Valley, boogity boogity boogity!

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I live in VA

I like it here. I should clarify, its central VA. Northern VA is not as good because of traffic in DC and its more expensive up there.

Our governor has done a good job fiscally where we have a surplus instead of having to make crazy cuts like a lot of states.
I have read about things going on in other states these past few years and I'm thankful that I live in a state that is has a good economy, decent government and friendly people.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Ever heard of Langley, VA?

Get out o' there, slugnuts.

New Hampshire

The home of the free state project. Just far enough out of Boston and over 10000 like minded people.

As much as the free state seems to be a good idea

NH seems to be filled with Mass democrats and is right next door to Vermont which has a socialist senator. Comments?

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If I may chime in...

Yeah, NH definitely has plenty of former massholes, most of which continue to advocate the very same things that made them leave MA in the first place. (Honestly, a lot of the MA folks move here not because NH is freer, but because people here speak English.)

That said, you'll pretty much stop running into that once you're about 30 miles from the NH/MA border, and the Vermont folk pretty much keep to themselves. When they do come here, they usually stay up near the White Mountains.

Speaking of, thought I heard some rumblings about a Vermont version of the FSP not too long ago...

A signature used to be here!

New Hampshire - the Free State

Though I do not live there, there is a lot to be said about moving to New Hampshire. If you are political and want to bring about change toward more freedom, you will find a wealth of opportunity up there.

The Free State Project's goal is to gather 20,000 pledges to move to New Hampshire once they reach the 20k mark (within 5 years). But many have already started moving and are having a major impact on state politics.

Go there, and add to the freedom that is growing daily.

Functional Freedom

I think it depends on what you really want. If you are interested in a high level of "functional freedom" then I would suggest picking a county off this list of the least populous counties in the United States. Populations range from under a hundred to just under a thousand.

If you can convince a handfull of like minded people to go with you, then you can control the institutions of local government in no time.

Keep in mind that a fundamental aspect of "a state" is having the legal monopoly on violence within a particular geographic region. Controlling even the local monopoly grants significant functional freedom.

IMO, this is one of the most significant failings of efforts to advance libertarianism. People tend to think too big at the outset. If libertarians really want to live in a libertarian community, then they have to start small, establish a legal monopoly within a jurisdiction, and expand from there (to contiguous counties, etc.)

Probably best to pick a County in on of the States which are not too bad to begin with.


...let me guess..

...you live in the State that has Schumer as a Senator and just reelected Peter King as a Rep.....I feel your pain..

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It really bothered us

that the candidate that we helped (ran for state Assembly), who is very liberty minded and a definite good guy was soundly beaten by the extremely liberal nut democrat - that really done it for us. We really felt we could make a difference by supporting local candidates, but NY is just too far gone. It's a real dead duck.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

Before making a decision, this would be good to watch ...

if you haven't. Strategic Relocation interview with Joel Skousen.


I've ordered his book and the reviews on Amazon are excellent.

get the book "strategic

get the book "strategic relocation'.

watch this...


“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I would suggest a state

I would suggest a state nearby with a similar weather. Many have suggested Texas, which I like a lot, but you may not like the lack of seasons...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

We have a lot of NY refugees

down here in TN. No income taxes and low property taxes. I know one family who moved down here from NY and love it. You get all four seasons pretty equally too.

The state of Loja

Ecuador...beautiful scenery, clean water, no blatant geo-engineering, no radioactivity, no Monsanto, low cost of living, and a government that changes so often that it can't get it together long enough to become a pain in the ass.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

I really need to look into dual citizenship there

My parents moved from there before I was born and you are just another in a long list of people naming Ecuador as a good place to be.


Especially if you are fond of deep fried Guinea Pig and a side of fried plantain!

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

That sounds...


You can blame me for those 2 downvotes - I have a special

place in my heart for guinea pigs :-)

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

That's because you have a learned fondness...

for running on an exercise wheel...commiseration in chasing the bastard that cut off your tail with a carving knife when your attention was captivated by Monday Night Football or could it have been reruns of Leave It To Beaver? ;-)

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

some good opportunities in

some good opportunities in Ecuador. I love that they are giving asylum to Assange. On the down side, I've heard that people are now given prison for speeding tickets.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul


Well then...don't speed. Or play it safe if you can't control your urges by buying a car and hiring a full-time driver/gardener or driver/cook or driver/house-cleaner for $12.00 a day! Besides...it's Ecuador...where the hell are you going that you have to be there so soon?

Otherwise it depends on the type of road and how far over the speed limit you are going.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Please inform us how a collapsed FRN

will support you in a foreign country

Well Kat...

It will support you in the same way it will support you here...especially when the legal tender of that foreign country is US Dollars (like Ecuador)...it will support you...not at all. Another medium of exchange will be adopted and you'll have to do business (survive) under the new medium.

Since conversion will be the rule, you'll of course need something of value to convert and it will have to have been done prior to any collapse...so...with this in mind you may want to think about that now...no matter where you decide to hang your hat in the future.

This stuff really isn't that difficult Kat.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

No kidding FUEx

Preparedness seems to be all the rage. It actually has an economy of it's own from all the ads I see on everyones sites. Lots of people making money on peoples hope and fear..from metals to real estate...


All the rage?....what are you talkin' about? Are you angry that others might somehow see a need to think about and prepare for alternatives to their present conditions? If so, why does that anger you? Just because someone is for some reason "fearless" (apparently like yourself) doesn't in any way make them smart...or correct in their assumptions....just as being fearful won't necessarily lead one to the proper conclusions.

It's all a crap shoot from here (albeit one wherein a player may have the benefit of informationally loaded dice), and some may see an exit from the USA as being quite brave rather than a decision made from a fearful basis...just as some might see such an option as being stupid.

Every time the power goes off...I find myself happy that I have alternative power...something I purchased from a source that provided what I needed and had not the capabilities of manufacturing myself. It's good to have service and product providers...whatever your decisions.

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?