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The time for a Constituional Convention is now.

A Constitutional Convention is what you guys are looking for. I heard the idea for the first time months back on Coast to Coast AM, and then yesterday I heard the same basic conversation going on on Alex jones' show.

Due to the fact that the whitehouse.gov petitions get media attention I started my own, asking for Obama to endorse the state legislators to start the process needed to call for a Constitutional Convention. Please sign this petition, please forward it, please get the word out, the time to do this is now. We need to ride this wave of succession and turn it into something useful and beneficial to the union. I am a Texas man, and I am all for Texas becoming its own country, but if there is a way to save the union, that is the route I would like to see taken. That is why I have started this petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/endorse-states-con...

For Liberty,
Clyde Barber



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We can't even hold an honest election...

...what is going to come out of a constutional convention? The UN is already trying to disarm the US...

Way to go Big Girl!!

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Thanks!

Big Boy! Nice to hear from you this fine Saturday morning :)

You too and you're welcome.

I saw your reply to fonta as well.. Good on you for asking. I mean, is it just a coincidence that one thread on a ConCon gets shot down then another pops up.. Maybe, maybe not.

I especially watch the patterns I see that make no Constitutional sense and in this case is very dangerous.

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Yes, and this one

just happens to show up as a petition at the whitehouse gov site right after the election...along with the timing of the popular secede petitions...

Very perceptive.

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Beware of Fonta!

Seriously you people. Lol at the airport.

fonta

Bear, This Was Not the Most Appropriate

...place for me to post my thoughts(below).

In fact, I wish I had made it an OP..in order to see if there are those on the DP who agree and would like for there to be a corner for dialogue.

As I am packing I do not have time to post links of some of the more "visionary" past threads that illustrate my thoughts. I wish I did. Peace ya'll.

fonta

Hey fonta,

Who is Clyde Barber and why is he calling for a Constitutional Convention?

I think it is most appropriate for you to voice your opinion. I have no problem with visionary thinking. That being said, we are in perilous times and I would not trust "that a crisis of a constitutional convention would to go to waste."

We have a populace who is easily guided by the left/right paradigm thru the msm, and that populace does not even understand that both of those paradigms are controlled by the same interests. Right now we don’t even have a congress who will uphold the current constitution. They cannot even seem to understand the Bill of Rights. We live in a day and age when lawyers argue over the meaning of the little word “is.”

Ron Paul said as president he wanted to cancel all the executive orders, or something along those lines. I would have to go find an exact quote. But it seems he preferred to leave the existing document in place and repeal those laws which are unconstitutional.

If the likes of Hamilton and Morris were able to use a consolidated government to their benefit with the first constitution in the form of a National Bank, just what kind of Legal Criminals will crawl out of the wood work this time?

How many pages is the current constitution? How many pages will a new one be? Will we have to pass it before we can read it and understand it? Look at what has been done with health care. My healthcare, your healthcare. The congress did not even read what was being done with the healthcare of each individual in the United States before passing the bill. Who can be trusted? Ron Paul? Yes but what was he able to do to stop Obama care? We are fighting a freight train at full speed.

My comments have been quickly jotted down, but I think you see the gist of what I am trying to get at. I am not against change, but I think we would be best going back to the bedrock and enforcing it since we are in such a soulless time here in these United States.

I wish you a blessed Thanksgiving. Holbrook shared this with me this week and it has been a precious filter for me as I look around and I think it perfect for this season:

1 Chronicles 29:11-13
"Thine, O LORD is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.
Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.
Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name."

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Just Have A Minute Bear

...and I agree re: Constitutional Congress. My interest was in States and some very visionary threads past that have been ignored and were examining what "true" liberty would look like in a real free society as well as "transition strategies" that would need to take place. These are not avenues everyone wants to pursue.

Perhaps if this thread had taken a different slat beyond a Con Con
would be disastrous it might have gone to what would "good people for liberty" be pursuing? What would they hope to bring about which might well lead to "other ways" to bring those goals about. Perhaps like Ron Paul says, amendments do not necessarily lead to a Con Con.
Perhaps some of the areas that have been misinterpreted could be stated clearly by amendment. Perhaps such an approach could lead to a more clear path to state rights and local rights. Perhaps there are more than one way to skin a cat. So often ideas are kicked out without examining the reason behind them. How many have envisioned a truly free society? Hope I am more clear.

Perhaps it is just me, but I like to envision what "heaven" would be like in order to better know what I should be working on here. Likewise, I see wisdom and purpose in envisioning what a free society would look like in order to project possible ways of getting there. Part of my reason is that I would like to be able to "lay my hands...LOL" on all of the books I have and those I would like to read and absorb their contents. I cannot; however, there are those who used to visit the DP who have much more knowledge and a great deal more visionary thoughts than I.

As I said my comment was not appropriate on this thread. There may be a place in the "and other" forum where like-minded people could "sign up" and gather away from the main thrust (which I do consider important) of the front page DP. Perhaps the OPoster could even moderate his or her own thread with it being understood that the dialogue should remain on the topic originally posted. Perhaps I will explore that when I return.

Peace and Happy Thanksgiving!

fonta

Ron Paul and His Like-Minded Friends

...have most likely had years of discussion about what a free society would look like. How far we are from it. What holds us back. The whole body of Mises material is full of indications that there have been a small group of extremely independent thinkers who have done just that. In fact, the Founders were just such a group.

That tells me that there should be allowed a small corner on the DP for people to explore..envision a better future...toss ideas around rather than just "lament" today as it is. Such debate and sharing can not take place in a climate of negativity and attack.

The DP used to be fortunate enough to have many visionaries visit and share their thoughts. Has anyone else wondered why they no longer visit? I have and I miss them.

There have been many visionary threads by people who have read and studied and discussed and, then, in some cases written books and held seminars and offered their best thoughts in an enthusiastic climate of dialogue.

Any such thread is now down-voted or attacked creating something less than a place for discussion and "safe" sharing. What is wrong with educating ourselves in the same way that a younger Ron Paul did in order to be able to share his vision. Does one first have to solidify their concepts to a level that ruffles no feathers and is easily digestible and accepted by everyone.

I could mention some of the threads that have died before the best thoughts were allowed to surface. However, I have come to the conclusion that the DP is no longer a place for dialogue to take place with those who are not interested simply gravitating to what they are interested in and showing respect for others. Those who stop at a title and attack are disruptive. Those who do not read comments already made have no interest in entering into a discussion.

The DP is either a big tent with room for diversity in background and interests or it is very small one. I do not think a very small tent serves any constructive purpose. It will remain a very small tent where the loudest voices prevail and the "next" best President is discussed.

As I pack to leave for Thanksgiving with family, I wish you all a very Happy Thanksgiving.

fonta

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(Worth reposting again - A Con Con would be a nightmare)

Sure - I bet the corporations, lobbyists, and special interests are drooling like ravenous zombies over a Constitutional Convention happening and probably already lined up at the doors.

There's no way we should go anywhere near having a Con Con in this day and age of bought off politicians, dirt bag lawyers, special interest groups, lobbyists, religious zealots of all flavors, corporations and cronyism. Add to that the mix of insane and socialistic beliefs of a population of our size today, and it would be a disaster that would absolutely not end in liberty's, or the people's favor.

Not to mention, once it's done and it is horrible, good luck getting another one together to attempt to fix it, because once they get their way, they'll change the rules to make it impossible to have another one. Just like the RNC did at the convention, and just like the Democrats and Republicans have done to the political system to stifle 3rd parties and make it almost impossible for them to get on ballots and into debates.

Do you really think they would follow the rules for the Con Con honestly and properly, or refrain from favoring the special interests and lobbyists, after what we've seen this year?

~If it isn't broken, don't fix it.

In a society that has become obsessed with entitlements, power hunger, and greed, a Con Con is the worst thing you could ever open up to it. You would be opening Pandora's Box.

(Re-posted from an earlier Con Con thread)

Ron Paul On Constitutional Convention He Says No!

http://targetfreedom.com/bills-in-congress/ron-paul-on-const...

Dear Friend:

Thank you for expressing your concern that attempting to roll back the dangerous expansion of government power through constitutional amendment will bring about a constitutional convention. You are indeed correct that a modern constitutional convention, given today's political climate, would be dangerous to liberty by leaving us open to sudden, sweeping change in our government.

I must point out, however, that initiating or passing an amendment is not calling for a constitutional convention, is not an invitation to do so, and is not nearly as dangerous. During the amendment process, we are not any more open to the dangers of a convention than at any other time. We have seen twenty-seven amendments to the Constitution without a convention being called. Amendments are the constitutional and safe way to change our form of government because the particular and limited issue addressed by an amendment requires a long, involved process to change the Constitution for very limited and specific ends. With each proposed amendment there is ample time to point out any apparent threats to liberty and warn our fellow citizens.

Contrast this to the current situation where almost anything can become law if a mere, momentary majority in Congress and the current president agrees. The amendment process is the proper, constitutional way to change our government's power, rather than by arbitrary lawmaking or regulatory rulemaking. Thank you again for your vigilance and dedication to liberty.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul

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"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

When?

When are you people going to realize that the answer does not lie with government?

There is no reform that will prevent the state from doing that which is in it's nature.

You can create a million more constitutions, the outcome won't change.

Creating an institution that deprives you of your rights to life, liberty, and property, in order to protect those rights, is absolute lunacy.

BTW, petitioning the government to ask them if you can have a constitutional convention is laughable.

Do we ask murderers and thieves for permission to defend ourselves from them?

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I agree

And once society mutates into a majority of takers, the only way to win elections is to promise more. Constitution be damned, the "people" have spoken!

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good."
Thomas Paine

you are an idiot!

the delegates would be chosen by congress... they would easily push through pro-tyranny ideals, and the state governments want the largess and yes they would endorse tyranny, meanwhile riots would tear through the cities... good idea moron

DUDE you are so wrong

first of all delegates are not chosen by anybody, if you would have participated in this primary that just passed you would have an understanding that delegates are elected. You run for a delegate position the same way you run for everything else, it is just a lot more localized in most cases. Second off, you just made an argument AGAINST the tenth amendment in the latter half of your response there, in your defense I'm not exactly sure if that is a true statement I just made, I do not understand what "largess" could possibly be referring to???

You just got PAULED!

no

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"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

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NO convention, States nullify all federal laws and regulations

except the constitution.
Make it a class A felony for an elected or government worker who violates LAW guaranteed by the US constitution.

I am sure

That there are plenty of laws constraining the government, in fact there are 10 amendments to the constitution that are thrashed daily, without a second look, why would some felony help anything, this is what I am talking about, you people have this emotional reaction to government, instead of looking at the whole picture and trying to find ways to curtail the growth all you want to do is focus on the factoids, omg the gov is so corrupt, lets make a new law, what we need is a new constitution, the one our founders made was flawed, we can see those flaws now, and we can fix them and make a better union.

You just got PAULED!

deacon's picture

this is backwards

you do not ask the employee,you tell them
the master owns the slaves
but here is the kicker,during the restructuring
after the civil war all states were rolled under the
corporation banner of the fed gov,this is why all money flows to the fed,and dribbled back to the states,this is why the fed runs everything
it is all owned by the feds,this is why we pay taxes on everything
we do not own a thing,we rent from the owners
now if we could do away with the fed res,the money flowing to buy elections,and reps would stop
the fed res is not an american institution,it is a foreign ran and owned corporation,washington borrowed,lincoln borrowed from the same ones who own the fed res
this is why the fed gov has no need to answer anything they do
they are all owned and paid by foreigners,paid to do their bidding
and they do it well
doesn't it surprise anyone that we were bankrupt,at the same time we
were still using gold/silver coins for exchange?
the fed gov is a foreign corp,this corp is england,and owned by the likes of the Rothschilds,and a few others,on paper they own it all
and they run it the way they want it ran,and it all goes back to the fed res
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

nice rant

So what is your idea, and before you go off again why don't you "startpage" what a constitutional convention is, I don't even understand your post's relativity, I am honestly disappointed with DP today, you sit here and have these emotional reactions to the problems we face but don't educate yourselves on real solutions, we have about 3 choices to chose from. Either each state withdraws from the union one by one or we hold a constitutional convention or the UN takes over this country, I really don't see any other way. Tom Woods has a great idea of nullification, but that would be a preface to a constitutional convention, I just don't understand how this community can be so blind to what is facing us and so unwilling to stand up and fight in ways that actually matter, this petition can do some great things, raise awareness and show the strength of the people, I really hope the following comments will be a little more uplifting to me, please educate yourself people, the liberty movement is the best chance we have left, if we fail, this country fails.

You just got PAULED!

deacon's picture

talk to me like that!!

then ask me to go to start page??
i will go nowhere nor will i answer you from here on out
i already stated why we are in the shape we are in
and this applies to all nations that have a central bank,then
you ask me what my idea is,by asking this i can see you will
not look any further than you already have,and this is why
we are in the shape we are in(as you think the only answers,you already have)
maybe you should read up about what my first was about
instead of accusing me and others for doing nothing

"I just don't understand how this community can be so blind to what is facing us and so unwilling to stand up and fight in ways that actually matter"....here is an answer for you people are blind
now i could have taken another route,had you talked to me as a person
but you chose not to
have a nice day
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

oh for sure

Do you even know what you are trying to say? You keep making abstract meaningless points like, "I told you why we are here", and that I think I already have all the answers, I mean really come on. I asked you to go to startpage and search constitutional convention because you obviously don't know what I am talking about, since you avoid the topic with everything you say, I am proposing something new, a fresh way to look at this fight, it could be a good idea, it could be bad, your belligerence on the topic couldn't convince a fool either way though, just get lost.

You just got PAULED!

deacon's picture

one last time

my belligerence on this topic,as you say isn't just that
and i guess you are right about not convincing an idiot
you just don't get it,nor do you want to either
this idea is not better than TRAP,soon changed to RAP
you are either the problem or act to fix the problem
the CON CON is not a new or fresh idea,it is a trap
that you are trying to set,so you are the problem
you either know truth and act to help,or do as you do
and hinder
you can't even answer peoples questions here without
contradicting yourself
we here along with some of my other friends picked apart
TRAP and the first con-con,as it did not apply to us,nor was
it even about US,nor for us
the same ones who own the fed gov and run it,are the same
ones who elect the state legislatures,but you refuse to even acknowledge this fact,i have to ask why? but i believe i already know the answer(bush said it best"you are either for us,or against us"
I along with a few others here tried to explain why this will not work
the ones who write the checks,write the laws
i honestly do not believe we have the time to even have a con-con
if it did work
you mentioned the UN running or taking over america(they already have) this can easily proved with the wars we have had,and the lack of congressional say so over when we do go to war
and the fact the UN suggested we give the blackhills back to the indians,or the fact the U is run by the most repressive regimes on this planet(and are here on our soil)oops i said our soil(its not ours)
the things i put to print i can back up and have done so,all you can say is i heard this on coast to coast a few months back,then again on the AJ show,so you have been studying this for a few months
and i have been involved for a few years(being part of 2 of them)
why do you think the states pass laws that are contrary to the will of the people?
why do these same states uphold the color of law,which violate
our rights,and at the same time violate their oaths they swore to uphold?
when in court one mentions i want my const rights,the judge will respond"say that again and i will hold you in contempt?what,we have no const rights in court?and yet,these also swear an oath to uphold our rights
the answer is you and I are an owned people,some do not see it,some see,but do not want to believe,others know but hide these facts
here a true story from our rep here concerning the bailouts
"i have had more phone calls,the most in history,with the greatest majority telling me NO on them bailouts(he voted yes anyways)
is this true representation?oh and somehow,with the biggest majority
screaming in his ear,he gets voted back in time and time again
why do you suppose this happens? could it be we do not elect our reps? or are they in fact selected?
what about the expatriation act,the NDAA,the patriot act,these all violated the const,but still were voted in,did they commit treason?
it was mentioned by another about the seat belt laws,and helmet laws
are these types the ones we want to represent us with a con-con?
this is also true of of the city councils as well,all crap runs down to the states unto the lowest forms of gov,and for the same affect
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

So this is the next wave of attacks

sucker the Liberty movement into helping those that would destroy what Liberty we might have left by giving them supreme power to rewrite the Constitution in any way they deem fit.

I can see a Bohner move all over again. The "Ayes" have it! You're all fucked!!

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A Constitutional Convention

Requires that the states ratify anything that comes out of one. It requires 3/4 of the states to put any amendment proposed into action.
Are you telling me you believe 38 states would ratify an amendment destroying what imagined liberty you believe you still have? This when the states would not ratify the Equal Rights Amendment? Any total rewrite of the Constitution would require 100% of the states desiring to belong to this new Union to ratify it. If it has a provision like the current Constitution only a subset has to ratify in order for it to go into effect. However, any state that did not ratify at that point would become independent. Say the Con-Con produces your worst nightmare and all of the states needed to activate it ratify. Any remaining states become free. When the U.S. constitution was ratified by 11 states (9 were needed) the last two holdouts - Rhode Island and North Carolina were independent republics for about a year.
If you hold so low an opinion of the legislatures of 38 states, or all 50 states, to think some power grab monstrosity will just sail through them, I think you need to take a closer look. If Washington D.C. wants to pass a power grab amendment and it would pass 38 state legislatures with no problem why have they not done so? A Constitutional Convention is the only way to get amendments that will take power away from Washington D.C. put before the states for consideration for the very reason Washington D.C. does not want power taken away from it.
If you believe in the Constitution, as you imply, then support a Constitutional Convention. The provision to amend the Constitution in this manner is in there. It was put in the Constitution to give the states the ability to change the Constitution in ways that Washington D.C. would not even consider.
Washington D.C. does not want a Con-Con and those that worship its power use the fear that it will get even more power through a Con-Con to paralyze those that want to see power decentralized.

[F]orce can only settle questions of power, not of right. - Clyde N. Wilson

"Are you telling me you believe 38 states would ratify an

amendment destroying what imagined liberty you believe you still have?"

Somebody hasn't been awake during class.^^^

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You're asking impostor president Obama to get on board

with state legislators to open up the Constitution for a rewrite? Oh yeah, I'm sure that would turn out real well. What is wrong with you?

Are you serious???

This is a very good idea, if you were a delegate, like I was, you would understand how hard it is to get something passed when there are a lot of people there to argue with you. We still have this image, democrats and republicans both, that we live under the rules of the constitution, unconstitutional amendments would not be passed, the fact that you think something crazy could be passed at a constitutional convention really shows your ignorance on the topic at hand, please do some research, the founding fathers would be screaming for us to have a constitutional convention, that is how they gained their freedom, that is exactly how we take back ours.

You just got PAULED!