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Maine GOP Chair Charlie Webster (Enemy of Liberty): Hundreds of Black People Committed Voter Fraud!

http://youtu.be/wYcko_chvkY

This loser and embarrassment cant step down any faster. Where did all these young Ron Paul people come from? I don't know any young people they must be committing voter fraud LOL and he wonders why minorities don't vote for Republicans even if they do agree with many Republican beliefs because of people like him.

Webster alleged that 200 college students engaged in voter fraud in August 2011, which was later found to be baseless."*(1)

First young Ron Paul people are committing voter fraud because they don't vote the way you want them to, now black and chinese people are committing voter fraud because they happened to get registered and come out to this election and vote against your candidate. Just like Romney he makes me sick. As if all black and hispanic people are part of the 47%. Like they dont own businesses, like there aren't minority millionaires and billionaires in this country. Today I heard a Republican say that hispanics love socialism. You dumbass you think minorities that left their communist and socialist countries to come to America to seek out a another communist and socialist country here or could it just be your language and social intolerance and demeaning of cultures and people that are different then you. Could it be social issues and how Republicans want to imposes their social beliefs on the population at large that prevents them from winning elections. I keep hearing about the quote "handouts" that minorities are getting but that argument is just like the broken glass fallacy. You see a minority with a cheap cell phone with limited minutes and you say there right there thats were the 16 trillion went thats what crashed the economy.

Dont they know:

Food Stamp Use By Race* (as of the 2010 FY)

Whites: 35% participation | 63.7% of US population

African Americans: 22% participation | 12.2% of US population

Hispanic: 10% participation | 16.3% of US population

Asian: 2% participation | 4.7% of US population

American Indian: 4% participation | 0.7% of US population

Unknown race: 19% participation | 0.2% of US population

*Sources: U.S. Department of Agriculture, U.S. Census

LINK: http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Partic...

Its a deception don’t let these people pit you against each other while they are the ones that are really fleecing you with online pay walls, podcast subscriptions, stickers, clothing, etc. Do these fake conservative radio host and politicians talk about the state monopoly on regulated licenses (which is a barrier to entry in the market), do they talk about foreign aid, do the talk about the military industrial complex, do they talk about the internet tax and regulation bills that they are trying their hardest to pass in the dead of night. Do they talk about how they pick winners and losers buy subsidizing market competitors with government contracts which don’t operate under free market regulatory controls e/g/ Microsoft and Ford, do they talk about government protect accreditation licenses to protect government funded institutions from open market competition, do they talk about re- enstating property rights as a means to stop quote "climate change" no but instead they will use there emission caps to handicap competitor grow, etc. I can go on and on stop with this race shit. They get blank that I don’t get. Just about everyone in America benefits whether directly or indirectly by some sort of government handout and it needs to stop ALL of it. Not selectively but all of it.

Like I said in a comment before: "It's not skin color its policy! Does skin color and|or origin contribute to more votes yes but integrity, policy and how you communicate that policy will get you elected. Again please remember Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton both ran for president. Skin color and|or ethnicity does not get you into office. It is FOX News propaganda to rile up low information white voters who are part of the Republican base (Democrats do the same thing with urban blacks and I am black so no one needs to take offence. It sadly is a technique used by both parties in their get out the vote campaigns). They push this garbage about how we need to die for Israel's democracy, how WAR and the use of sanctions means peace, etc."

(1) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/charlie-webster-mai...

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it's amazing to see a sociopath like him in action and see the depths he'll plumb.

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"They is miscegenationists"

Who are miscegenationist?

Who are miscegenationist?

Nonsense

Karl Rove could have written this piece. If anyone here thinks going to talk to the local Somalian community about the benefits of the free market will earn new 'Ron Paulish voters' are insane.

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You say "Somalian community

You say "Somalian community about the benefits of the free market will earn new 'Ron Paulish voters' are insane."

The same thing could be said for women, youth, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims, atheist, progressives, etc who came out in support of Ron Paul. What about the Blacks who took time out of their day to go online and post video that came out and defended Ron Paul against white media commentators that called Ron Paul a racist.

Come on don't let these political hacks and fake conservative shock jocks fool you by blaming others, minorities or people that live a different social life style then you for their own personal delusions and failures. Now look Rush Limbaugh is talking about "Liberty". Do your own research don't let your own prejudices rule you. Stay away from TV and these demagoguers because they will only re-enforce past and present social biases and fallacies and it will lead you into failing arguments like this one.

Oh and have you even gone to a Somalian community? and if you did did you atleast try to hear them out and try to find a middle ground where you could both find a private sector solution to what private and social issues they may have without trying to force you own ideology down there throats.

Its took Ron Paul 23+ years to get many of us here. It's just food for thought. If your in NJ let me know we can go to a Somalian community together if you want.

Okay, Karl Rove...

Yes, the same thing should be said about women, youth, Blacks, and so on. This notion that one should take time out of their life to go ask these people to stop stealing from them is absurd. You'll be laughed at--have you tried? Please, college girl, stop stealing from me to pay for your birth control. Please, women on WIC at the check out line, stop stealing from me.

You cannot be serious--you are projecting some sort of religious doctrine.

The votes to be had are with white males making under $50,000 per year--the folks that have to feel the pressure from immigration and the refugee scam.

The Somalian community is here because of Clinton's war in Somalia and the refugee scam that is a modern day slave trade--so just which part of imperialism are you claiming to be against? And you say you were for Ron Paul...please.

The Somalian community, by their right, butcher their baby girls when they are born. That is their business, but Americans don't want that in their community. I don't want them to assimilate, I want them to keep their own traditions in their land, and then, I would wish them well.

That is the essence of anti-imperialism--do you not get that?

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I’m anti imperialist. I don’t

I’m anti imperialist. I don’t think we should be giving foreign aid or getting into another countries affairs if they want freedom then they have to fight there own tyrants in their own county no petition American to fight their battles because they would prefer Americans die for their freedom then them dieing for their own.

This notion that one should take time out of their life to go ask these people to stop stealing from them is absurd. You'll be laughed at--have you tried?

Again how do you think Ron Paul, the Libertarians, Austrian economist, grassroots activist got us to this point. They were laughed at and ridiculed but they stayed true to their beliefs and worked hard for decades to change hearts and minds to show that there is a more peaceful way to live in this society. I hope you believe his efforts weren't for nothing.

The votes to be had are with white males making under $50,000 per year--the folks that have to feel the pressure from immigration and the refugee scam.

You act as if all white males that make under $50,000 are fiscal conservatives. Many are conservative, liberals, communist, fascist, imperialist, democrat, republican, libertarian, green, etc. Just like all Blacks and Hispanics can be put in a box you can put all white males that make under $50,000.

“I don't want them to assimilate, I want them to keep their own traditions in their land, and then, I would wish them well.”

You act as if Americans don’t have the same beliefs as if those tradition will remain in Somali so long as we keep Somalians out of this county. There are Black, White, Chinese, Hispanic people that do voodoo. There are Black, White, Chinese, Hispanic people that think they are real life vampires. Culture and ideas spread you can control that just like no man can control the message of Liberty. Gangnam Style is taking over American pop culture so what now we must remove this music from the stores block web links we must preserve quote ”traditional American values” LOL
I employee a blue eyed blond haired young white male that is Muslim. He never went to prison never dated a Muslim it's just his chose he said he was on the wrong path read some literature now the guys a Muslim. He was a Muslim before he came to work for me so IDK but what now are fundamentalist traditional values Americans gonna kick him out because he has a son that he teaches the Qur’an. Many Americans have tattoos are we to tell Egyptians how died millenniums ago “to keep their own traditions in their land, and then, I would wish them well.”

“Ideas are very important to the shaping of society. In fact, they are more powerful than bombings or armies or guns. And this is because ideas are capable of spreading without limit. They are behind all the choices we make. They can transform the world in a way that governments and armies cannot. Fighting for liberty with ideas makes more sense to me than fighting with guns or politics or political power. With ideas, we can make real change that lasts.” - Ron Paul

Why do you keep refering to me by "Karl Rove" lol

Karl Rove, again

I read the voting data--white working class (making under $50K) stayed home this past election. I never said or suggested they were "fiscal conservatives" whatever that means--only that is where the votes are.

You joined with Karl Rove in suggesting a political strategy of reaching out to various groups and classes that have zero historical identity with liberty, "free markets", Anglo-Saxon traditions of property rights and so forth. The difference is Karl wants to offer hand-outs while you talk about "liberty" and free markets"--who do you think is going to win that battle? Has anything in your life led you to conclude that the masses really want "liberty"?

I have no idea what your point is about voodoo and cliterdecotomy-- as I am not an imperialist they are welcome to keep practicing their customs in their own land, free from the corruption of American culture. That they are ripped from their homelands by scheming religious institutions paid for with tax dollars is an abomination, a modern day slave trade.

Ron Paul came up in a far better organized, institutionally speaking, era where he met many powerful and influential people. He did not hesitate to use populism against the NYC financial elite who first did away with Congressional district and then funded a Democrat turncoat in Phil Gramm to run against him for Senate.

Now, if you want to evangelize libertarianism, then bless you, but if that is your political strategy, I fail to see how it is different then Karl Rove/Romney pandering strategy.

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”The difference is Karl wants

”The difference is Karl wants to offer hand-outs while you talk about "liberty" and free markets"--who do you think is going to win that battle? Has anything in your life led you to conclude that the masses really want "liberty"?”

Why do you have such a defeatist attitude. Why do you put people of different socioeconomic backgrounds in boxes when you don’t even know them? Your a young women so you must be a slut wanting a WIC check! Would you let someone say that about your mother, your sister, your grandmother, your little nieces without even knowing them? How did Ron Paul know if so many people would be receptive to his message? How does a kid know if he works hard everyday that he'll get a full scholarship to go to college for free? You don’t know that know one knows until you try. Again the same thing could be said for Ron Paul. Your a loser, a kook, a racist, your to old, what the hell is Austrian economics, no one will vote for you but he stayed the course because he believed that his message and his policies would be best no just for his constituents be fore all people.

“Now, if you want to evangelize libertarianism, then bless you, but if that is your political strategy, I fail to see how it is different then Karl Rove/Romney pandering strategy. “

I’m pandering because I don’t care who I talk to? I don’t care what you look like or what there socioeconomic background is. Is Ron Paul pandering when he went to a Muslim meeting, was he pandering when he went to a Jewish event, when he went a NAACP event, when he goes to colleges and universities NO. The message stays the same and has stayed the same with me when I go to different events. I understand if your saying i'm pulling a Romney and changing my stance to favor what ever interest group is in front me or Ron Paul but that’s not the case. The freedom message stays. Will everyone in the group be receptive no but will many people in the room be yes. I've been yelled at while speaking at a retirement home but I've also been cheered at the same time for the same stance. Just like white males making under $50,000 isn’t a voting block, old people aren’t a voting block, black people are a voting block, no one is a voting block. Sure each group may have certain similar concerns unique to them when it comes to certain issues but to say they all believe, talk, walk, act and vote the same is showing a poor understanding in how different we really are.

I don’t understand why you are so judgmental because someone doesn’t care if your black, white, Somalian, making under or over $50,000 dollars a year. It doesn’t matter what so called group you belong to or are affiliated with. I go to all events I talk to all people your religious and social habits don’t matter to me as long a we as individual are free to interact in the market. There are businesses in my municipality that now accept Gold and Bit-coin which I also accept for my companies services just by going in and having an intellectual conversation with them.

No one should have the right to conscript their fellow man, no one has a right to someone else production without their consent. If you want to opt out you should be able to without question. So I don't know why you feel that i'm evangelizing libertarianism or pandering. I go to were the masses are. I've spoken at union events, churches, gang meetings, parties, fraternal orders, community meetings, rec-centers, etc. and the message has stayed the same. Build coalitions why do you think the reVOLUTION is so diverse was Ron Paul pandering again NO but he took the time and had the courage to step outside of his comfort zone and immediate social group.

Part time Imperialism

Ummm, Ron Paul lost, he recall that?

If you are really going into these neighborhoods and telling them that Affirmative Action is wrong (and racist), that government jobs, hate crimes legisislation, subsidized credit--all wrong, Welfare all wrong and theft, great.

Paul, sadly, followed the Rove advice and did not speak out, for example on the crime of Affirmative Action nearly enough. He did not articulate the leading, living Austrian School/von Mises intellectual, Hans Herman Hoppe on immigration (trespassing) and how it is used as a weapon against the natives.

Those were demonstrable tactical failures, and you are suggesting, like Karl Rove, to keep reaching out to "minorities" who vote on race.

Rather, it sounds like you are just doing business, networking, and building a community--which as I said is noble work.

But is has nothing to do with winning elections and tactical analysis.

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"Those were demonstrable

"Those were demonstrable tactical failures, and you are suggesting, like Karl Rove, to keep reaching out to "minorities" who vote on race."

You keep saying i'm reaching out to minority groups lol I talk to EVERYONE I reach out to EVERYONE. Ron Paul talks to EVERYONE and reaches out to EVERYONE. I don't care what group you belong to. Where ever your at i'll be there I don’t care what you look like how you talk what you eat how tall you are who you love I don't care it's all about coalition building between like minded people.

"Rather, it sounds like you are just doing business, networking, and building a community--which as I said is noble work."

No i'm trying to change how people look at society and you say Ron Paul's tactics are a failure yet he's the one that brought you this far. Its funny to me when you have people that are here for the ride questioning those that are carrying the water. I had my own criticisms but they were irreverent unless I myself got involved. 325+ registrations in 2 1/2 months, ran and won my election, I run the young republican party in my county, I have 11 local businesses accepting Bit-coin and Gold.

"If you are really going into these neighborhoods and telling them that Affirmative Action is wrong (and racist), that government jobs, hate crimes legislation, subsidized credit--all wrong, Welfare all wrong and theft, great."

Its so sad is that your only focus talking shit to people how its you that are the cause for this issues its your fault your causing these problems. Why do you keep focusing on minority groups as if they passed the legislation. White people make up 70% of the population you cant past legislation with only 30% of the population. This whats wrong with this country people make arguments based off what they FEEL and what they perceive to SEE instead of what is. People always want to blame others for their PERSONAL failures instead of looking to themselves and saying how can I as an individual change society, how can I as an individual provide alternative solutions so that individuals whether white black Hispanic Asian mulatto, etc. don’t go to government to attempt to conscript me an extract my wealth. Ron Paul is getting involved and is providing solutions I myself am now involved and am providing solutions people need to ask themselves what am I doing and if your not doing anything productive then shut up. If your not running for or in office shut up, if your not getting involved in you community they shut up. All of this name calling and blaming who did what who has sex with how who covered up what what he did to me what she did to her cry me a river step up provide free market solutions get involved politically then what you have to say to me will hold weight because instead of just wining, pointing fingers and blaming others I see that your actually doing something about it in your own community.

I understand what you have to say and we can agree to disagree but i'm about getting politically involved, solutions and coalition building. Words, name calling, blaming, judging others, misrepresent ion, demeaning others is pointless and a wast of time that’s for political pundits, radio hacks, politicians currying favors for their constituents and online couch commentators.

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The subject is winning elections with parts of the libertarian program that will be of interest to voting blocks...at least that is what I thought. I appreciate you got the prostitute vote, but please, how relevant do you believe that to be? I am pointing out that the libertarian program is probably not in interest to the majority of so-called minorities of the racial sort, and old people who are content to kick the can.

If you disagree because you took over a local Republican party meeting in your city, that is fine, but it's a bit of a stretch.

Setting up alternative systems is important. For what it's worth, go look at Golden Dawn in Greece and the heap of scorn put on that political action--as it's Greece, I don't care, but that is the mix of elections and real social action; it's observable that it's a combustible mixture. Ready for that?

You might want to google, Keith Preston attackthesystem who does a lot of the theoretical work on his site describing this sort of thing from a libertarian perspective.

You, to the extent what you describe is true, are fighting for your people in your unique settings--which is noble.

That is not the same thing as running national elections. You have, somewhat brazenly, described your political base in the words of Hunter Thompson, the freak vote (I hope you know who Hunter Thompson is, but if not, he ran for mayor in a Colorado town with the political tactics of getting, his words, the freak vote.)

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Still putting people in boxes

Still putting people in boxes and applying demeaning labels to them I see. Again I don’t care who you are what your social preferences are i'm not targeting any group and am not in the business of judging people. So some of the local police who voted for me are the freak vote, the teachers, the guys who play basketball at the park, the business owners in the community, churchgoers, some of the residence at the local retirement home, local woman’s group, local urban farmers, some of the very WIC recipients you were disrespecting who voted for me, the property owners, members of the fraternal orders, the gang members and yes a few prostitutes their all freaks and should be labels as such. I'm targeting those fringe people or could I just have provided a productive solution for all people in the community. I preached the same message as Ron Paul and endorsed him. No Republican has been elected in my community for over 50-70+ years. They don’t even bother because their defeatist and have a mentality similar to yours. They put people in boxes and pass judgment. Now they want to call me and ask me how did I do it Ron Paul and Libertarian values in a predominantly black municipality.

You can continue to pass judgment on "so-called minorities of the racial sort" and "old people who are content to kick the can" all you want but this conversation is done. We have to agree to disagree. You say "probably not in interest to the majority of so-called minorities of the racial sort" yet me and everyone in my family are Libertarians and yes im black and got elected in a black democratic stronghold as a Libertarian on the Republican ticket. Its just sad to me that someone on DP has your attitude. Instead of us trying to be productive, grow and encouraging each other to get more involved to become more productive so that we can better spread the Liberty message you on here ... IDK bro? I now what your saying but i'm not a hermit i'm bout PRODUCTION solely PRODUCTION I don’t want to say this conversation has been a waste of my time because it hasn’t every conversation is growth is a change to broaden my perspective but there is more prospective things that I can do in the market and in my community.

Nothing but respect but I got to go forward >

Mr. Hypocrite

Charlie, if there is one person who should not be accusing other people of voter fraud, it is you.

A good reporter would

A good reporter would immediately question hum about what he did during the caucuses and have him explain why that is not considered voter fraud. Charlie, I think you used your last get out of jail free card.

Honestly, I don't know the

Honestly, I don't know the demographics in the state of Maine, but if you were to see a busload of blacks voting in VT you'd have to assume its fraud. Parts of New England are very white, and to see that many black people at the polls would be a legitimate cause for suspicion simply based on the demographics of the area.

Blessings )o(

Again "now black and chinese

Again "now black and chinese people are committing voter fraud because they happened to get registered and come out to this election and vote against your candidate."

Vermont
75.6% White registered
55.4% White voted
(B) Black
(B) Asian
(B) Hispanic

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/publications/p...

Minorities rarely vote let alone register to vote which is why whites especially Republicans have always been able to run all over them with there social policies and when it cam to the political direction of the county whether they where Black, Asian or Hispanic but since of Obama first ran for office the increase in minority registration has sky rocked. They is why you see so many minorities at the polls. Its not because there is voter fraud is because they are not only actually registering to vote but they are voting in mass. The historical voting block in America is now up in arms because they cant run over the majority of the population anymore.

Imagine if 18-24 voted 42.7 of them are registered yet 19.7 voted. Why would republicans like Romney and Webster be saying then this is voter fraud because we cant run all over you with social issues like we did before.

Oh yeah we heard that already about young Ron Paul voters in this election:

Webster alleged that 200 college students engaged in voter fraud in August 2011, which was later found to be baseless."*

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/charlie-webster-mai...

Just because they NEVER voted historically but now do doesn't mean its voter fraud it means a politician has politically activated them and has given them a reason to vote and please lets not say its only because he is black. Please remember Herman Cain, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton all ran for president and didn't get near the minority vote Obama can.

And lets not forget 40% of America still doesn't vote so what then when they do and the political map change what will people be saying then. What about the Libertarian vote in this election many of whom didn't come out to the polls for Romney. What does he have to say about them they wanted a "GIFT" of individual freedom to do with their personal lives what they wish and that's why they didn't vote for me. Come on don't let these political hacks and fake conservative shock jocks fool you by blaming minorities for their own personal delusions and failures. Now look Rush Limbaugh is talking about "Liberty". Do your own research don't let your own prejudices rule you. Stay away from TV it will only re-enforce present social biases.

It's true

Old white people voted for Obama to keep stealing from the young. They don't care about us, liberty, republican virtue, their eternal souls.

Should we go ask Old White people to stop stealing from us? Explain the benefits of the Free Market?

This is your political strategy? Do you work for Karl Rove?

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I’m a Libertarian and I ran

I’m a Libertarian and I ran on the Republican ticket in my municipality at the last second to get on the ballet and won in an urban black city which is a democratic stronghold. I'm 24 so I completely understand what your saying but again there are many quote old white people" that belive in the freemarket you just have to have a discussion with them and build coalitions. Ron Paul is a old white man you have one vote right there. What i'm saying is you might not get the majority of "old white people" but if you build coalitions you can bring people from all walks of life and socioeconomic backgrounds together and run for office yourself. I'm black born a ruff ghetto gang member seen it all people killed shot stabbed everyday never took a handout got an athletic scholarship went to WV broadened my horizons came back started a small business. I own multiple properties and do quite well for myself. Now would you think my demographic would be a major voting block for Ron Paul likely NOT but that would be letting our your own personal prejudices and social biases rule us.

Oh and this is the first time I got politically involved didn't vote in 08 first time I registered to vote and its the first time I voted and I voted for Gary Johnson since Ron Paul wasn’t on the ballet. So it would be like i'm one of those black people that came out of no where to the polls that registered and voted for the first time like many minorities that alot fake conservative shock jocks and sour Republican who don’t want to take responsibility for their own failures would be saying was engaged in voter fraud because i'm black 24 and this the first time I ever registered came to the polls and voted. And they wonder why Republicans don’t get minority votes. It the narrow minded thinking that fucks us not anyone else. We have to engage others whether we think they are going to vote for our cause or not. You never know what you might find out about a person. I got prostitutes registered Libertarian that voted for Gary Johnson. If it wasn’t for Ron Paul I may have never got politically involved would have never became a Libertarian, be running the young Republican party in my county, got 325+ mostly minorities resisted Libertarian or no affiliation within 2 ½ months and would have never voted for Gary Johnson.

Strange world isn’t