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The Bible does not support Zionism (the geopolitical variety anyway)

My liberty friends, you will hear in heightened tones from your "Christian" friends and family that the bible mandates we " christian/ americans" must support the State of Israel. The bible does not endorse any geo-political entity. Please take time to watch and listen to this relatively short documentary and share it with those who are willing to consider that this long held assumption may in fact be a distortion of biblical truth, by those with narrow political and economic interests. This false mantra(meme) exits in many of my generation (50 and up) and is passed down to the next. Please watch> http://vimeo.com/29901084 Political Zionism is racism and "un-christian" because it requires one to show favoritism, which God does not do. **Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism.....
**Acts 10:33-35

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From your comment I can see why

you're so opposed to Zionism. I'm a Zionist, but, I in no way believe that salvation comes to Jews or anybody else for that matter apart from believing on Jesus Christ.

The Bible is a Book of Fables...

not absolute law. If all religions disappeared, would there be as much war, hate, and fighting as we have today?

I have friends

who have been to the deep jungles in south america, and in the south pacific where people have never had a religion, and those people are very brutal.

Just consider places like communist russia, or china, where there has been a real effort to get rid of all religion, and its brutal.

I am not saying all religions are good. Heck I am a baptist and will tell you flatly the most brutal group to my people through out history has been the cathlic church, Frankly I think aithest are more respectful to the Bible than most cathlics. What I a saying is that you have to show a place where no "religion" is where it turned out good.

They have also not had

They have also not had electricity or Cheetos. Why attribute the brutality to lack of religion?

because

after they come to Christ they do.

They do what?

They do what?

they attribute their violence

to not knowing Christ. Heck its not that hard to look up these peoples testimonies. Some are from the southern pacific islands, some are from south america and some are from africa. Heck some of the best documented cases are from david livingstone in africa, Jim and elizebeth eliot in ecuador and james chalmers in new guinea

false religion (or hijacking of religion)

is a dangerous thing--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You might want to study

the USSR, China, and other atheist regimes. I'm NOT saying atheism leads to holocausts, etc. but human nature's tendencies are not limited to those who believe in God.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Anonymous
http://youtu.be/cjkvC9qr0cc

You listed regimes in which

You listed regimes in which men aspired to usurp the role of gods. "Atheist regimes" is probably not the best term for what was going on there.

You obviously don't know anything about

Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, or Maoism. Those atheistic scumbuckets were assuming the role of gods alright because like all good atheists, they believed that man is his own God.

You obviously don't know

You obviously don't know anything about atheism.

First, there I no one thing any atheist believes. Second, every single person I know who rejects the idea of a benevolent God who is active in our lives and cares for us rejects the idea that they are their own god.

Too bad, I actually thought many of your arguments on this thread were very sensible until you started speculating about what I do and do not know.

Atheists are not a group at all, try as you might. Just because it is popular to believe in fairies does not make atheists a group because of something they DON'T believe.

And I'm not so sure that I'm an atheist, though you would doubtless consider me so.

Sorry.

But, I believe people were created to believe. If people don't come to a belief in heir Creactor, they'll replace it with something else, even if it's in themselves and their own abilities and accomplishments.

Maybe you're right, but isn't

Maybe you're right, but isn't it possible that they replace that belief with something like humanism? Some of the most peaceful and benevolent voluntary associations are of non-believers.

I had somebody tell me one time

that if we could just get rid of money that greed, corruption, and poverty would all go away. It's not money or religion that is the cause of everything that's wrong with the world, it's depraved, sinful, fallen mankind.

Probably, because Satan created Religious systems---

If they went away, I'm sure he'd find something else. Men give him plenty of fertile ground.

As Jesus said,

"That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Satan is a rather late

Satan is a rather late creation of those in charge of religion. It's the way Christians can chalk good things up to the works of God and charge bad things to another account without having to reassess their ideas. It's like in Britain with the Royal Mint and the National debt... It's like with privatized gains of major American corporations, yet when they take large risks and fail, their losses are socialized. The idea of Satan is really just a way of avoiding blame and keeping the peasantry afraid, ready to bow to the will of a king, pope, or president.

indeed!!! Jesus didnt die for a "religion"...

...man heaps to himself religious activity and associations to "save" himself....

Based on what Jesus did, and the eyewitness accounts of Him after His resurrection; belief in Him as God in the flesh makes up the "church".....and as He prophesied, "ALL the birds of the air come and make their nests in its branches"; Satan is the prince of the power of the air folks...and the master counterfeiter....

Christians do not make war! Nor do they seek to eliminate other relgious systems; they preach Christ crucified for sinners and we persuade man that the One God that sits on the throne over His creation "so loved the world" and made a way to reconcile all mankind to Himself by having poured out His
wrath upon "His only begotten Son".

You cannot WORK your way to heaven, folks.

Christians make war all the

Christians make war all the time. Not REAL Christians, though.., right?

Incidentally, many more people have given eyewitness accounts of seeing Elvis after he died than gave accounts of seeing Jesus. Why don't we believe them? Or do we?

and human eyesight is a product of....

....random chance over millions or billions of years of evolution....

That is the common

That is the common misunderstanding... that it's random chance. The process is the OPPOSITE of chance. By the way, human eyes are rather pathetic compared to many others in the animal kingdom.

let me guess....

....like the eye of an Octopus, right?

If there was a God who created us, He was a poor designer, right???

There is nothing intelligent

There is nothing intelligent about "Intelligent Design." It's the same old bad ideas in a new package.the theory makes the almighty deity out to be an approximator.

building = a builder...

...painting = a painter, watch = a watchmaker, creation = a Creator .... Just who is lacking the intelligence again?

You don't believe because you cannot see Him?

Well, "the fool hath said in his heart there is no God"; the word for fool is "insane"....the "God did it" explanation works for me....

fuck the Abrahamic cults and their "scripture"

How many innocents must die before you grow up and grow a pair?

"It is finished"

"It is finished"

When Jesus Christ cried out these words upon the cross and then gave up the ghost, the vale of the temple was rent from top to bottom, at that point, God gave up the people of Israel as His people, and the New Covenant was that all who would believe on Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior were His people, the new Israel.

That is why we read in Romans 9 that "not all who are of Israel are Israel."

There is no nation upon the face of the earth that is God's people, or God's nation.

It is they who love, believe, follow, serve, and live for Christ and look for His soon coming, which may be very soon now.

Even so, come Lord Jesus!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

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Amen

brother! :)

If the Bible does not support Zionism, please explain this:

He remembers His covenant forever, The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac, And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel as an everlasting covenant, Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,” Psalm 105:8-11

Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west; I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not keep them back!’ Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth— Isaiah 43:5, 6 

Don't confuse Zionism with Judaism. One has absolutely nothing

to do with God or morality. The other is a beautiful faith, rich with traditions and morals.

GOD promised to give the land to His people in GOD's time. Zionisits didn't care to wait for GOD, since they have little use for God anyway. They merely distorted the message for their own purposes that have nothing to do with God or God's message.

BTW, read history, too. The current Israeli people are not semites and have no blood connection to the semites to which the promise was given.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Two issues

1. I don't believe it's man's job to try to fulfill Biblical prophecy or try to predict when things predicted in the Bible will happen. That's up to God and He'll do it all in His timing.

2. You're right about Jewish Zionists not caring for the most part about their religion. Many of those that do support Zionism, do so because they believe they have to be living in the former Nation of Israel for their Messiah to come back (technically, they've got a point there, it's just that they kind of missed the boat). But, if the Israeli people are not the true descendants of the ancient Israelite people that God made the restoration promise to, then who and where are the Israelite people?