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I Am Very Upset With Ron Paul

I am upset because he took his eyes off of the Obamacare ball during the campaign.

All the other candidates gave their lip service to Obamacare, but none of them made the healthcare insurance mandate their primary focus.

Neither did Ron Paul. He had a lot of opportunities to talk about the devastating consequences to America's economy from Obamacare, but he never really went after the issue.

It wasn't his main message. He never hammered home the simple points. Sure, he said it was bad and wasn't for it, but he never raised hell over the mandate like he should have.

WHY didn't he make his central campaign focus all about Obamacare?

WHY didn't he go after the thick red meat, and talk about the healthcare mandate and how it is really an ECONOMIC issue - NOT a health issue?

Ron Paul's strong suit is economics...and Obamacare will have an absolutely HUGE influence on the way America's economy functions.

So why didn't Ron state the obvious, and repeat those points over and over again, with every opportunity he had? Why didn't he marry his economic plan with the consequences of Obamacare?

Ron Paul gave many great speeches over the duration of the campaign to huge crowds, thousands of people....and now I'm even more upset because I can NOT recall a single moment in which Ron Paul seriously attacked the Obamacare health insurance mandate in those speeches.

The 2012 election was supposed to be all about the economy, and Obamacare gave Ron Paul the PERFECT opportunity to talk economics and how the healthcare mandate is 100% incompatible with economics 101. He never really did that.

Businesses are already firing employees just to get ahead of the healthcare mandate curve ball we've all been thrown.

The healthcare mandate is quite simple...if you own a business and employ more than 50 people, you will be forced to pay for every employee's healthcare costs. Business owners do the math, and make logical decisions to fire employees in order to stay in business.

McDonald's, Jack In The Box, and numerous other corporations are EXEMPT from the new healthcare law. They do NOT have to pay for their employees health insurance.

Yes, that is called a, "double standard." But there was not a single mention of this double standard by ANY candidate.

There exists a DOUBLE STANDARD in the new healthcare law, which gives big corporations like Taco Bell and McDonald's an uneven, unfair playing field to compete against small family owned businesses that will be required to pay for their employees health insurance while their competitors get a free pass.

Simple points, never repeated...as they should have been, over and over again.

Why? These are basic, simple things that American people can relate with, and find easy to understand.

I remember before the Iowa caucus how I thought Obamacare would be the number one issue during the 2012 campaign.

Boy was I wrong. The MANDATE which forces people and businesses to purchase a crappy, expensive insurance product barely registered on the political radar maps, even though the ECONOMY was the biggest issue according to voters!

Ron Paul FAILED to link the economy with Obamacare.

Obamacare is directly related to the future health of the American economy, and Ron Paul did not stress that point enough.

If anyone can link a recent youtube video of Ron Paul tearing Obamacare a new one, please respond.

Thank you.

This was Ron Paul's chance to talk about Obamacare and how it relates to the American economy in front of millions of people:


Very upset. It's the one issue that could have won Ron Paul the nomination, and the election.

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Bachman made Obamacare the central issue in her campaign...

Did you see how it worked out for her? She dropped out before the primaries even began!

I'm guessing he assumed you'd

I'm guessing he assumed you'd be smart enough to get the connection on your own.

Blessings )o(

I got so tired of hearing "we

I got so tired of hearing "we have to repeal obamacare", "we have to beat Obama", "anyone but Obama" etcetcetcetc...maybe paul wanted to offer more than silly republican talking points. Maybe he felt like a sheep? I remember when he tried to attack Obama like a mainstream republican would and my intuition was like yeah thats a rehearsed line...haha. Its like cheering for a football team when you could give a damn about football. I don't think he cared roo much about regurgitating republican talking points.

One world, under government, with power and money for the elite

I'll match your question

with why aren't you equally upset that none of the Republicans questioned the foreign policy that continues to entangle us in bloody occupations and interventions in the the Middle East?

Obamacare is an oncoming threat, yes. But the stupid wars we are fighting NOW are killing people on both sides every freakin' day! As a doctor, Ron Paul practices political triage, by dealing with the most immediate and life threatening issues that are affecting us as of NOW. Like our warfare policy and Federal reserve that is happening NOW, not Obamacare that will happen LATER. Get it?

Conscience does not exist if not exercised

"No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up!
---Lily Tomlin

Well he did tinker around the topic some

This legislation is so convuoluted and has so many pieces that most people don't know about or pieces that aren't even through final regulations and unless he lived and breathed the law it is really hard to dig in too far. Also, it was mutually agreed upon by the candidates that it was a bad law. The GOP primary season was to look at the differences between the candidates not all fawn over the same issue. So they gave some lip service to it and then moved to other issues looking for differences. And of course everyone would blast Romney for romneycare.

Your point does have some merit though. Where the eff have you been the last 6 months? Could have used this sort of feedback months ago. Nothng like indignant hindsight on the anonymous Internet.

Ron Paul stressed the less obvious....

What gets me is how so many say Obamacare will destroy the economy, but know nothing about all the money sucked out of it by the wars and money printing and inflation.

I mean, where does the money come from for the wars - is it free? But as long as businesses aren't paying directly, they don't complain, which is why Ron Paul emphasized the scam.

Not to mention the moral problem of millions killed by our foreign policy, and thousands maimed for life.

I would say our wars are the biggest tragedy of our era, all made possible by money printing, which effect is not understood by the masses.

Obamacare, on the other hand, will be opposed because it is paid for directly, so Ron Paul probably figured it would be dealt with.


my pleasure

How Many Businesses Have

How Many Businesses Have Announced Closings or Layoffs Since Obama Won A Second Term?


This is absolutely STUNNING.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Our business closed not because of Obamacare

because we banked with a TARP bank ironic isn't it 51 years in business and now it is no more.
Same situation in the 80's with a string bank and they worked with us and not against as we went through with this bank.

"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "

He gives commentary about it

He gives commentary about it on the news stations all the time.

Ron Paul hardly ever

discusses specific issues because if it's unconstitutional, that makes it null and void.

Why discuss the benefits/downfalls of a bill if it's not legal in the first place?

Why discuss a bill if it's

Why discuss a bill if it's unconstitional? Why even bother, right?

So you're saying that it was not even necessary to discuss the Patriot Act, NDAA, Libya, Obamacare, etc. because they're not legal.

Why discuss an issue if it's unconstitutional?

Because it's unconstitutional.

The LACK of discussion and focus pertaining to Obamacare is what made it become the, "law of the land."

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

You don't understand my sentiment.

I'm not saying that the issues shouldn't be talked about based on the validity, but we're shooting ourselves in the feet by skipping the constitution check and going straight to whether the bill will help us economically and socially.

4 years and counting...

and still you drink kool-aid and, for a short while longer, eat Twinkies.

Since when did Ron Paul center on one issue...a symptom...and not the whole disease and its causes? Disappointed? Eyes roll...

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

The flaw in your argument is

The flaw in your argument is the assertion that the other candidates didn't address Obamacare. They did, ad nauseum. The way to stand out from the pack is not by echoing the chorus.

Ventura 2012

Did you ever hear Herman Cain

Did you ever hear Herman Cain say anything about Obamacare? Did he ever saying a damn thing about how Obamacare will destroy the American economy?

Did Michelle Bachmann go so far as to say, "Obamacare will destory the American economy?" Did she convey the economic consequences to the American people?

Did Newt Gingrich tell the American people about the "hypocrisy," of Obamacare by giving select corporations waivers?

Did Rick Santorum preach about the dangers of Obamacare and how it is directly linked to the heart of the American economy?

Was ANY republican candidate bold enough to mention how companies with over 50 employees will be hurt the most?

The talking points that never were....

"Obamacare will destroy the American economy"

"Small businesses with over 50 employees will suffer greatly."

"Why is McDonald's exempt from Obamacare? Why the double standard?"

"Obamacare is the biggest job killer the American economy has ever been faced with."

"The States should have the right to vote on Obamacare."


......did you hear any of those words spoken in the republican candidates echo chamber?

I didn't...and that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever because over 60% of the country was against Obamacare.

After the Supreme Court shoved Obamacare down the throat of America, not a single candidate said there should be a Constitutional Amendment to end it.

That really ticks me off!

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I did actually, did you not

I did actually, did you not follow the campaigns?

Ventura 2012

I did actually, did you not

I did actually, did you not follow the campaigns?

Ventura 2012

The flaw in your argument is

The flaw in your argument is the assertion that the other candidates didn't address Obamacare. They did, ad nauseum. The way to stand out from the pack is not by echoing the chorus.

Ventura 2012

I agree to some extent

too much talk about war and not enough about welfare. But that may have been strategic to avoid being cast as an uncaring republican like the rest of them.



RON PAUL only spends time talking about how to CURE the DISEASE.

The fiat economy and loss of liberty are the number one and number two issues of our time, followed by an imploding overseas empire and corporatism at home.

"obamacare" will be lucky to have made it in the top 5 list of our problems.

ron paul has played his cards and spoken perfectly on all occasions.
to say any differently is serious disinformation.

On their most imaginative day, 99.9% could not fathom the pure rotten evil- this man goes up against, AND WINS MOST OF THE TIME!
To poke a stick at how he rolls and what he speaks of- is inappropriate.

and guess what?

thats right!
He has a son! I KNOW the bullies didnt see Rand coming!
Rand will be Rons never ending legacy nag on the old authoritarian guard.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Be patient, my friend for

A new day is coming.


Let me see if I have this right...

Media Blackout.
89 seconds in debates.
Underhanded caucuses.
Ignoring caucus/primary rules.
Last minute "rule" changes.
Never having his name mentioned on Network News/Print without the obligatory kook/quixotic/racist/extremist/isolationist/Israel-Hating/goldbug/Equal-Right-Hating/lunatic label.

None of the above come into play. Nope, it was the fact that he didn't rail on ObamaCare the way you decided he should have that lost him the election.

Well, one good thing to come out of your revelation is now you have the *guaranteed* path to victory of your Presidential run in 2016.

Because he's a long-game, 4th dimensional chess player

and we're all playing a 2-dimensional game of checkers down here on the earth plane.

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That actually is not bad as a theory

He does (seem) to have a long term perspective that transcends the typical view of things. I believe part of the key is the sound principles he holds to. To say that we are placing a 2-dimensional game of checkers did set you up for the down votes though.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Hold on a minute friend...

Fox and the Republican stooge candidates had Obamacare as their pet issue. They tried to make it seem as if there had been a free market in medicine, and only now socialism is creeping in with Obamacare; which is entirely absurd, and a dangerous misrepresentation of reality which leads people to blame the current FUBAR situation in medicine on the free market. I think RP was wise to NOT make Obamacare a key issue in his campaign, both for purely political reasons (differentiating himself from stooge candidates) and to avoid that incorrect implication that Obamacare (as opposed to various laws over the last half-century) is/will-be the cause of the decline of medicine in the United States. And, anyway, there are more important issues than medicine, like the central bank and foreign affairs, which RP focused on.

By the way, just for $hits and giggles, let me say I'm sick to death of this naming system whereby new fascist economic interventions get the lollipops and unicorns cutsie [insert douchebag's name]-care label. If we must use that formula, let's call it Stalincare, or Hitlercare, or Maocare, or Marxcare. Or we could call it what it really is: cartel-support* for the politically connected firms in the medical industry + bread-and-circuses.

*Cartels don't work when demand becomes elastic. Eventually, all cartels require demand subsidies to keep demand inelastic. The professional licensing laws, FDA, and medical regulations, etc create the cartels, medicare/medicaid/Obamacare are demand subsidies because otherwise demand would be elastic.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

That was not Ron Paul! He has never even said the word Obamacare

all those interviews are not Ron Paul. They are CGI on a bluescreen done by Obamas super secret political assassination team "The Black Pajamas".
I just revealed it and it is a fact and it's provable by the fact that Obama never mentions Ron Paul.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

He Did Say "Obamacare" In Primary Season

In answering a question from a prospective voter at an event (I believe in New Hampshire), he said something like "Don't think you won't have long lines with Obamacare."

He doesn't mention it often, but he does mention it.

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Read it again... Enjoy it...

PollMan's comment is hilarious!

Oh, and nice try, and I'm speculating here, but I don't imagine PollMan believes in "New Hampshire" either. It's probably just a conspiracy of cartographers. :D