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I Am Very Upset With Ron Paul

I am upset because he took his eyes off of the Obamacare ball during the campaign.

All the other candidates gave their lip service to Obamacare, but none of them made the healthcare insurance mandate their primary focus.

Neither did Ron Paul. He had a lot of opportunities to talk about the devastating consequences to America's economy from Obamacare, but he never really went after the issue.

It wasn't his main message. He never hammered home the simple points. Sure, he said it was bad and wasn't for it, but he never raised hell over the mandate like he should have.

WHY didn't he make his central campaign focus all about Obamacare?

WHY didn't he go after the thick red meat, and talk about the healthcare mandate and how it is really an ECONOMIC issue - NOT a health issue?

Ron Paul's strong suit is economics...and Obamacare will have an absolutely HUGE influence on the way America's economy functions.

So why didn't Ron state the obvious, and repeat those points over and over again, with every opportunity he had? Why didn't he marry his economic plan with the consequences of Obamacare?

Ron Paul gave many great speeches over the duration of the campaign to huge crowds, thousands of people....and now I'm even more upset because I can NOT recall a single moment in which Ron Paul seriously attacked the Obamacare health insurance mandate in those speeches.

The 2012 election was supposed to be all about the economy, and Obamacare gave Ron Paul the PERFECT opportunity to talk economics and how the healthcare mandate is 100% incompatible with economics 101. He never really did that.

Businesses are already firing employees just to get ahead of the healthcare mandate curve ball we've all been thrown.

The healthcare mandate is quite simple...if you own a business and employ more than 50 people, you will be forced to pay for every employee's healthcare costs. Business owners do the math, and make logical decisions to fire employees in order to stay in business.

McDonald's, Jack In The Box, and numerous other corporations are EXEMPT from the new healthcare law. They do NOT have to pay for their employees health insurance.

Yes, that is called a, "double standard." But there was not a single mention of this double standard by ANY candidate.

There exists a DOUBLE STANDARD in the new healthcare law, which gives big corporations like Taco Bell and McDonald's an uneven, unfair playing field to compete against small family owned businesses that will be required to pay for their employees health insurance while their competitors get a free pass.

Simple points, never repeated...as they should have been, over and over again.

Why? These are basic, simple things that American people can relate with, and find easy to understand.

I remember before the Iowa caucus how I thought Obamacare would be the number one issue during the 2012 campaign.

Boy was I wrong. The MANDATE which forces people and businesses to purchase a crappy, expensive insurance product barely registered on the political radar maps, even though the ECONOMY was the biggest issue according to voters!

Ron Paul FAILED to link the economy with Obamacare.

Obamacare is directly related to the future health of the American economy, and Ron Paul did not stress that point enough.

If anyone can link a recent youtube video of Ron Paul tearing Obamacare a new one, please respond.

Thank you.

This was Ron Paul's chance to talk about Obamacare and how it relates to the American economy in front of millions of people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mTDep2raTw

Very upset. It's the one issue that could have won Ron Paul the nomination, and the election.




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sorry, don't get it.

Dr Paul has talked, lectured, warned, about BIG Government, and BarryCare is BIG government....What part don't you get?

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You're choosing the wrong battle.

Ron Paul has linked our poor economy with all of the undeclared wars and the corrupt Federal Reserve. That is sufficient enough. Obamacare hasn't even started yet, and it's way lower on the list of priorities, IMO. The others wanted to continue and expand these wars. Only Ron Paul wanted to end them all.

He Put It In Its Proper Context

when he pointed out that Medicare is also a mandate.

Once government-goodies entrench themselves, it seems that Republicans soon no longer oppose them. Soon they even want to "strengthen and protect" them. How long did it take the Republicans to go from "repeal Obamacare" to "repeal and replace"?

It all gets back, as it always does, to Dr. Paul's question "What's the proper role of government?"

Does government exist to provide stewardship of the economy? To fight for the middle class? To shield its citizens from the ravages of time? Dr. Paul would say no, no, and no.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

You obviously think Obamacare

You obviously think Obamacare is the number one problem with our country but if you pay a little more attention to what Ron Paul DID say over the last 30 or so years, you would notice a recurring theme of attacking the Federal Reserve System. In fact, he has argued, and I agree, that nothing is more important to the health of our country and economy than returning to sound money. That means that the Fed trumps Obamacare and gay marriage and whatever else sideline issues you may think are important. Ron Paul was right on point as always. If you fix the monetary system, all of the other problems disappear overnight. Ron Paul does not care if the majority of tv watchers don't get it because they never will and that is not his target audience. He knew he didnt have a snowball's chance in hell but he chose to use the platform to try to spread the message one more time and he succeeded beyond anyone's expectations. And now after its all over, you have the bright idea that could've changed everything? Hmmmm

Telling the American people

Telling the American people how Obamacare will devastate the American economy is not my bright idea, it's common freaking sense - and that strategy was never used.

Ron Paul could talk about the Federal Reserve for the next 1,000 years and the American people still wouldn't get it.

Making the Fed his primary campaign objective didn't end up well.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

What is the point of this

What is the point of this thread? Nobody can change what he did or didn't talk about. He could've spent the entire campaign talking about obamacare and it wouldn't have changed anything. Or maybe it would've made the diference but we will never know, right? So let it go. Obamacare is a symptom of the problem and Ron Paul doesn't treat symptoms, he looks for the root cause and attacks that. Can't you see that Obamacare is just another manifestation of the private money cartel? Can't you see that Ron Paul's plan is working? Can't you see that the PTB would never let him be president regardless of what he says or does not say? Do you think this was all about winning over the zombies and being elected president? Do you think Ron Paul could have accomplished his goals if he had been elected president? This country is not ready for a Ron Paul presidency yet but he has accomplished more than any president in the last 100 years by simply reawakening the ideas of liberty and personal responsibility in a whole new generation of Americans who are now starting to think for themselves. Bravo Ron Paul.

"but he never really went after the issue."

I really hope you are not serious about that statement fellow patriot. All things considered this man focused on the ROOT of the problems in this country.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

The Federal Reserve,

The Federal Reserve, yes....he did focus on the root of our problems, but he failed to realise how that issue literally flew right over the heads of the average dumbed down voter.

And he didn't go after Obamacare. Show me one single youtube video from 2012 with Ron Paul sinking his teeth into Obamacare tearing it apart like a blood thirsty vampire.

I can't find one.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I honestly dont think he really had to

since every other contending GOP candidate attacked Mitt Romney for being the Blueprint of Obamacare. You don't really think Republicans agreed with everything Mitt Romney stood for do you? His record as Governor should show that.

the problem isn't Ron Paul, its your average dumb down voter that needs to wake up!

http://memegenerator.net/instance/29041629

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

The 'average dumbed down

The 'average dumbed down voter' is not Ron Paul's target audience and never has been. His strategy is to plant seeds into the minds of those people that will grow into fruitful trees one day. Look around at what he has started and how it is unfolding. This is unprecedented and you are stuck worrying about imaginary spilled milk.

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Well, I wish you the best

working out your emotional issues

political issues, not

political issues, not emotional issues bub.

The healthcare mandate was a very big deal, and we all let if fly over our heads because, "our guy," didn't even bother to mention it in an economic context.

Yes, I'm having very serious political issues right now...especially with Ron Paul. His non-confrontation with Obamacare, and his insistence on pulling American forces out from every geostrategic place in the world is starting to make me think twice.

I used to trust Ron Paul, but now I don't. I used to trust Alex Jones too, but now I don't. I'm a very skeptical individual.

I don't know who to believe in, or who to trust in other than myself right now. Call it selfish, but it is what it is.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Calm down a minute and please read:

Our military doesn't gave any business occupying ANY part of the globe that is not owned by us. That's called imperialism. It's what we fought against in the American Revolution. Placing military forces in "geostrategic" places is only useful if you're planning on being an EMPIRE. We're supposed to be a republic. You should read some Mark Twain, William Graham Sumner, E.L. Godkin, and Richard Weaver, and Robert Nisbet.

On the healthcare issue, I too was disappointed in Ron Paul's lack of tackling the issue. While he didn't usually go after the ACA at rallies, he did make havoc of it in a few of his Texas Straight Talk episodes and most notably, on his Facebook page right after the Supreme Court ruling. However, he tended to tackle government involvement in healthcare in more general terms. He understands that rejection of this bill will not solve the problem because our legislators would just come up with something more "moderate" in the way of healthcare legislation until they could sell the public on a mandate. Getting people to be against the ACA, but, still support single-payer Medicare only gives us a temporary postponement of government involvement in every aspect of the healthcare and insurance industry.

Damn! You're right....

We should call Jesse and.....

Oh...the debates were like over a year ago. Nice timing.

Maybe Dr. Paul didn't want to sound like all the Neocon idiots like Romney who wanted to, in the most dictatorial/unconstitutional concept imagineable, "repeal" Obamacare on the first day in office. Yeah - that's the way our government is supposed to work.

He said more than once that Obamacare would never be repealed. Even if the Rethuglicans took over they would make some sort of compromise. Apparently you have never actually listened to him speak.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

What is more important to the

What is more important to the National Security of the United States of America than the economy itself?

A strong, vibrant economy is good for America's National Security interests.

A weak, dependent economy is not good for the future of America's National Security interests.

Obamacare is like a giant spear being struck into the heart of America's economy, which will cause serious harm, perhaps death to our future National Security interests.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I thought it was your job.

I thought Ron Pauol was the inspration.. a campaign built to last past the election, to eatablish new liberty members like you?

Why not you? Why does it have to be Ron Paul, who9 really had a battle on his hands Obamacare or not.

It was not my job to

It was not my job to articulate a very simple, but incredibly important message.

Obamacare is going to destroy the United States economy.

I own a business and recently had the displeasure of meeting another business owner who owns 7 bowling alleys and employs over 70 people.

According to the new healthcare mandate, he will now be forced to pay for all 70 plus of his employees health care costs. He did the math, and it didn't work out very well because AFTER paying for all 70 of his employees healthcare costs, he'd be in a deep red hole and without a paycheck.

"I have to get rid of at least 21 employees, or cut my entire staff to part time, I have no idea what I'm going to do, I can't operate my lanes without at least 10 people each."

So I said, "you have to close a few lanes, get under fifty employees, or make your entire staff part time and try to hire enough people to fill in the gaps."

"Nobody wants to work part-time, and I can't have a bunch of teenagers running my business for minimum wage, I can't pay that, the work sucks, which is why I pay my employees well, $14 an hour, most of them are full time and half of my staff gets tips."

----- This is only ONE business owner. Imagine what the rest of the country is going through right now.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

"I have no idea what I'm going to do"

I know what you can do:

Have you really listened to Ron? Have you opened the Constitution yourself?

Maybe get with the other business owners (power in numbers) and utilize nullification. I am sure that they would be willing. Working toward this with others may even bring others aboard the r3VOLution. As I stated in my post below, Ron would be proud :-)

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His priority is reducing warfare spending,

next important is reducing welfare spending so Obamacare wouldn't really be his main focus.

It would be nice to be

It would be nice to be Switzerland....but we're not.

If America pulls out now, who will move in? Russia and China...duh.

Do you want that to happen? Yes, or no? Because that's what will happen if we pack it all up and go home.

Geostrategically speaking...with a few billion bazillion dollars worth of energy reserves and the future of the world at stake....

Is reducing our military presence around the world really a smart thing to do?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Are you for real?

Seriously, did you take over someone elses account or something? I mean, it says you have been here for 4 years, but your writing suggests you are a Romney voter who just joined in.

This is not a good site for a Neoconservative (aka. Trotskyite Communism).

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

You think you're smart.

You think you're smart. Trotskyite communism and the neocons is something I learned about almost a decade ago.

But are you smart enough to admit you might be wrong?

I think I may have been wrong, and I'm smart enough to admit it.

People change over 4 years, and I did.

I'm starting to question Ron Paul, my own freaking idol for the past four years.

Is that okay? Or should I remain the same exact person as I was four years ago for the rest of my life without question?

I question things, and I am not sorry.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

ZOO

You should always questions things. Just don't lose sight. If you are where I am at, you may possibly need a break as well.

Sleep on it, even if it takes a couple of weeks. I would hate to see you take a path that may not be greener on the other side.

I understand how you are feeling. But there is an old saying:

When you hit a piece of glass with a hammer, it shatters. When you hit a piece of steel with a hammer, it becomes stronger.

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Yes, I am smart

You "learned" about Neocons, but you espouse what they think anyway. So, you are a Neocon. That was easy....

You are welcome to question, no problem with that, and you should not be sorry. I didn't ask you to be sorry. And, you are fine questioning Dr. Paul - I am not a cultist and I don't agree with him on everything, so that is fine as well.

But, questioning his philosphy is different that questioning a tacticial decision. You can focus on Obamacare, that is fine. Others are going to focus on more important stuff.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

"You can focus on Obamacare,

"You can focus on Obamacare, that is fine. Others are going to focus on more important stuff."

There is nothing more important than Obamacare right now, for it has the power to devastate and cripple the American economy quicker than our foreign policy.

In order to destroy America, she must be taken down from within, not from abroud....and that is exactly what Obamacare is going to do.

Our eyes are off the ball....focusing on Benghazi, Petraeus, and external matters.

What's happening HERE?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I hope

I am not the only one to disagree with this statement,

"There is nothing more important than Obamacare right now, for it has the power to devastate and cripple the American economy quicker than our foreign policy."

on the grounds that putting a stop to killing millions of innocent people is more important than our economy right now. What has happened to humanity? Why is your money more important than somebody else's right to LIVE? You act as if murder is secondary to money. I have so much more love for my fellow man than that. Let our economy tank, just stop killing. I'd rather struggle financially to feed my family than think of those innocent mothers/fathers/sons/daughters who are burying their family members because of our greed driven foreign policy.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I understand your disappointment, however,

I believe that Ron has provided everybody with enough to chew on for decades to come. It is up to individuals to put the pieces of the puzzle together, or they will never get it.

Sorry, zoo, I had to vote this down. Ron did what he did, and we owe him our sincerest thanks.

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I'm not talking about what

I'm not talking about what Ron Paul did. I'm talking about the obvious thing Ron Paul - or any other candidate - did not do.

Obamacare should have been made into and economic issue, and it wasn't.

And I find that to be very interesting the more I think about it...

No candidate even tried to sink their teeth into Obamacare. Not even Ron Paul...who should have done so if the economy was his true concern.

Ron Paul stressed, "Liberty and Freedom," which in political terms is quite vague. There was nothing concrete about his message, especially when Obamacare was standing in the concrete, getting ready to make a permanent mark on the face of the American economy. We're getting the boot in our faces, forcing us to purchase a lousy expensive product that will ruin our country.

"Obamacare will destroy the American economy."

Why didn't Ron Paul say that and elaborate on it during the debates? You must ask yourselves!

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

zoo

I know what you are saying, I may even somewhat agree. But even though Ron didn't press the issue, I heard it loud and clear. Ron touted individual Liberty, Constitution, fiscal responsibility, among other things. As I listened, I thought to myself that obamacare would not even be an issue, if only the Consitution were adhered to.

Don't fret too much about Ron not winning presidency. IMO, if he had, and this nation didn't repair itself rather quickly, he and we would have been blamed by the voting populace and all of our efforts would have gone in vane.

We will have another chance in 2016 to put another Liberty candidate in. We also have local/state to be concerened about. However long it takes to restore our Republic, Ron's name, and his message, will be remembered for generations to come.

It is something to consider, and hold to our hearts :-)

PS - You can work toward nullification in your state. Ron would be proud :-)

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