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Cenk Uygur, Host of "The Young Turks" Network speaks out against the outrageous actions of Israel

http://youtu.be/Sgl0JnE4B_4

[I feel like a cross between 1962 Richard Nixon [...you won't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore because, Gentlemen, this is my last press conference) and a crack addict. Just could not stay away when an video this good was not posted on the DAILY PAUL.)



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cenk suks but at least hes right for once

cenk suks but at least hes right for once

STOP THE MURDER

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

The attack on Cenk reveals....

the neocons hiding behind the veil of liberty.

Is it not enough that our MSM is totally pro Zionist? Is it not enough that our govt/congress/senate are all pro-zionist?

do we still need pro-zionist ppl in this forum?this was how the republicans party got hijacked by the leftist neocons.

attack the message not the messenger. get a life will ya

Sorry, but Cenk is a puke, and I'm no Neo-con.

While Liberty_First's pro-Israel nonsense is extremely annoying and largely based on a fictional understanding of history, he is correct that Cenk Uygur is an unapologetic Armenian Genocide denier, which is about on-par with Holocaust Denial. You can look it up if you doubt this.

Yes, Cenk is correct in the sense that Israel is being oppressive in their treatment of the Palestinians and we should not be funneling money into what is essentially a racist semi-theocracy. However, I find all of the Cenk worship going on here disgusting given how many times he has attacked Ron Paul and the rest of the Liberty movement in the past.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Ad Hominem Fallacy

Ad Hominem fallacy

These attacks on Cenk in this particular thread are the classical ad hominem fallacy – confusing the messenger with the message. Yes Cenk is socialist. Yes, Cenk is statist. Yes Cenk is a big government totalitarian but does not realize it. Cenk mistakenly thinks it is just a matter of getting the right people to wield that totalitarian government power and all will be good, rather than the danger of having such power to begin with. Yes Cenk is a hypocrite on many issues. Yes Cenk is wrong on most issues. Yes, Cenk does not understand economics. Yes Cenk has been rude to libertarian guests. Yes, Cenk does not understand the philosophy of liberty. Yes, the consequences of Cenk’s statism are dangerous. But Cenk is not the focus of this original post. None of Cenk’s faults makes the Israeli government’s actions either moral or immoral, productive or destructive.

The focus of this post is the actions of Israeli government (which like Cenk is also a socialist, statist entity, and one of the largest welfare recipients of the US government.) The attacks on Cenk are merely an irrational distraction away from the issue of the government’s actions. No matter how horrible or great the speaker is, that neither makes the government of Israel’s action better or worse. It simply distracts from that issue – hence the Ad hominem fallacy.

We see people fall into the same fallacy on many posts – attacking the speaker rather than focusing on the issue, the message. Even if the message of the particular issue of the post is dead on correct, some folks ignore the message completely and simply knee-jerk launch into an ad hominem diatribe against the speaker completely distracting from the topic of the post itself. Here it is Cenk, but we have recently seen the same ad hominem fallacy applied to Limbaugh, Kucinich, Ingraham, Levin, Rand Paul, etc. even when the particular message on the specific issue of the post is dead on 100% correct. I too have fallen into such a fallacy at times. It is easy to do, but still a logical fallacy.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
Stand up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone.-Sophia Magdalena Scholl

I honestly believe the

I honestly believe the divisiveness is not genuine, whatsoever. Trolls are trolling away as strong as ever, because their overlords beloved power could dwindle away if they aren't paid to post little arbitrary talking points and links over and over again. This is like Cointelpro on steroids under a bigger umbrella. I'm not afraid to be caught with a "socialist" who is also against genocide.

I've committed to boycotting

I've committed to boycotting TYT in any shape or form, so I won't view the vid, but I can imagine Cenk being sincere. My only issue is, from when I did watch TYT, he inflated his ego off of the popularity of videos like this. I won't feed his ego, but I will applaud his position here. I can still call him an 'enemy' of liberty and agree with him on a seldom few issues.

LMFAO

"the right way to do it is through the United Nations. You go and you peacefully ask for the most legitimate thing you could possible ask for which is the dignity of your own state."

wow! this is an eye opener

Israeli Soldiers Breaking The Silence on the Occupation of Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=RYXdoipaqnY

Gaza

is independent, first time in history. It shares the border with Egypt that Israel does NOT control today.

Muslims do not help Gazans to rebuid their daily life. In fact, welfare checks USA, EU & UN send to Gazans are bigger than low salaries in Egypt. Muslim countries use Palestinians as proxy warriors, because they themselves do not want to fight.

Of course Muslims aren't helping rebuild Gaza.

Would you spend money rebuilding infrastructure in a city if you knew the crazy Likud Party would demolish it within 24 hours just to test their latest weapons technology?

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Life is simpler than we imagine.

Inside the Israeli borders there are "Israeli Arabs" who are 25%+ of Israeli population. They have equal rights and do not want to leave Israel. Two Arab parties sit in Israeli congress. How many political parties do Asians, blacks or Hispanics have in USA?

"Palestinians" and their leadership, on the other hand, do not recognize Israel's right to exist. So they eat sh{i}t for so many years.

I hope CIA wont be able to bribe Israelis in order to vote for leftist parties this time. If Israel refuses USA "aid" and rebulds capitalism, the fix will be in. Without welfare, Arabs will leave Israel to join USA army to have a Green card. Awesome. We would love them here building mosques in our backyards.

Oh Boy

Another statist MSM personality being worshipped on here. First Maddow, now Cenk. Who's next? Chris Matthews?

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It's okay, they're left

It's okay, they're left wingers, they're cool. Glenn Beck on the other hand... :@

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Turks are funny

Do you remember how Turks were outraged recently when an errant missile from Syria landed there? What did Turkes do? They started shelling Syrian areas without worrying about civilians.

But clearly, what would normal Americans do if Mexican freedom figters fire rockets towards USA wanting Texas back? Sit in shelters for years as Israel did?

Um....do you get the fact that "Young Turks" is an internet news

service and that the "Turks" you refer to are actually citizens of "Turkey" which is a country?

They are not the same.

I should tell you that in a few days, Americans will be gathering with family for Thanksgiving and EATING "turkey".

The "turkey" they will consume is ALSO different than both the "Young Turks" refered to by the OP AND different than the country "Turkey".

Just don't want it to throw you.

Cenk Uygur has not supported

Cenk Uygur has not supported Turkish aggression. Why is it so hard for some on here to stay on point, and not use fale premises?

You mean

Cenk talked about Turkish genocide against Armenians and Kurds?

Hugo Chavez also condemned the attack

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/11/16/272540/israeli-attacks-...
Is he too now an "ally"?

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Yes he is

He's an ally on this specific issue.

But not for you. For you it is more important to be "right" and to enforce your own personal ideological purity on everyone in the world before you even look at them.

For you, you'd prefer a world at war than to form an alliance on a single, clean, clear specific issue.

This is you: "I can't stand with Cenk or Hugo against war because they are communists, and I am not. I am therefore better than them, because my beliefs are better. I am smarter, and they are dumb. I cannot stand with dumb people, even if I agree with them. Even if doing so will help stop the war. I can only stand with people that I agree with 100% on every single issue."

That is you, but it is not Ron Paul. Ron Paul readily points out areas of agreement with others. That is because Ron Paul is big, and you are small. Ron Paul is big enough, and confident enough to know that people are all different - we're all individuals - and it is impossible to agree with others on every issue, 100% of the time. But it is possible to find areas in common with all people, and to work with those people on those areas of agreement.

You? You're engaging in a form of masturbation. Oh, it feels so good, doesn't it? "Oh, I'm right and Cenk is wrong! I don't care that people are being killed, bombed, and are dying. Cenk hung up on Peter Shiff once. War doesn't matter. Killing doesn't matter! Injustice doesn't matter! Cenk was unjust to Peter Shiff once, a year ago when he hung up on him on his Internet program. So he is wrong forever, on everything, for all eternity, and it is my mission to let the world know! Forget about war. Forget about suffering. None of this matters because Cenk is a socialist!"

Like I said. You're small.

p.s. Edit:

But it is okay to be small. Everyone and everything starts out small. Ron Paul started out small - a baby, just like the rest of us, with unformed ideas.

But with awareness, attention and love, we can all grow. We can all grow into giants.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Good response!

i'm a prime example of how powerful is the message of peace.

My friend was telling me about Ron Paul back in 2008. Sending videos etc,. I wouldn't even look at the videos.

My other friends and I would giggle and shake our heads..."to think our friend had fallen prey to a politician". And then, I saw a video where Ron Paul was talking about peace, harmony and commerce between nations. I couldn't believe my ears. The rest is history.

We have to agree to agree when we agree.
No sense is cutting divides where none exist.

Cenk

is a bumbling idiot most of the time! I never have liked the guy...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Do we no longer call Hugo a tyrant because you agree with him?

Is Hugo Chavez now a hero because he condemned the attack?
All you Cenk worshippers check out what he thinks of Ron Paul (racist, painfully stupid) secession (traitors!) taxes ( more please) socialism (don't denigrate it) capitalism.
Just scroll below

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I've had enough of your divisiveness.

The issue here is this: Israel is bombing the hell out of Gaza, and Cenk spoke up passionately against it.

Instead of looking for areas of agreement, as Ron Paul would, you've gone about attacking the messenger on areas where you disagree with him, or he disagrees with Ron Paul or because he hung up on Peter Schiff a year ago. You're on a one-man strafing campaign against Cenk. And you're at the point where you're disrupting the site, bringing it back to the good old Johnson days of non-stop division. You've posted 4 anti-Cenk threads in the last 24 hours.

Well guess what. This is not the Daily Anti-Cenk. The themes here, in case you haven't noticed, are: PEACE, GOLD, LOVE.

Cenk spoke out against the war. You speak out against Cenk. What good does that do anyone? Why don't you find me a video of your hero Peter Schiff speaking out against this war, or Rand Paul, or Ron for that matter, and it will gladly see the front page, and get a minimum of 65 up votes.

If this is how you want to represent the liberty movement, by attacking people, you can take it somewhere else. Again, look to Ron Paul.

He never attacks people. He focuses on areas of agreement. He works towards a goal.

Now lets look at your behavior: It is completely opposed to Ron Paul's. 1) Attacking people 2) Focusing on Disagreement, 3) Working toward chaos.

Further, what Ron Paul said, when the message of liberty is winning, we'll know because it crosses all partisan & ideological boundaries. But look at you - attacking someone who is in agreement with out principles because he doesn't live up to your ideological purity. Good luck growing the movement that way.

I'll leave the decision to you, but if you choose not to learn from Ron Paul, then you can take it elsewhere. I appreciate your passion, but have no use for your methods.

.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Ron Paul on Gaza in 2009

Michael, did you see this?

http://www.dailypaul.com/263838/ron-paul-in-2009-i-feel-for-...

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

Point taken, your site

I Will, cease and desist

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Ok thanks. I appreciate it

Now, some of the things I said were sharp, and I apologize for the sharpness.

But I encourage you to think about how Ron Paul operates, and how he was able to achieve what he did.

Ron Paul has incredible political skill. He still gets his point across, but he does it in a way that creates unity, and in a way that leaves everyone liking him. How he does this is very simple: He focuses on areas of agreement, not by picking at areas of disagreement. Those, if they are not part of the issue at hand (as in this example with Cenk), he ignores. He may take them up at another time, but not then and there.

Anyway. Thanks again, And again, my apologies for the sharpness of my tone. I can have a sharp tongue when I'm angry.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Michael you have every right to use whatever tone you like

It's your site and you need to do whatever you think necessary to preserve the integrity of the site.
I do understand the concept of forming alliances and that not everyone agrees with everyone all the time.
My point is just know with WHOM you are forming alliances with.
Thanks for maintaining this site

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I am not for or against

I am not for or against Israel. I do not care about any "biblical" claims to the land nor am I a religious person by any means. I do however think it is extremely hypocritical for anyone in the United States to talk badly about Israel protecting the land they conquered. Consider this... Israel conquered the land they inhabit much the same way that the US conquered the native americans who lived here before us. Now ask yourself this question...if the native Americans were to start firing rockets from their reservations onto US soil do you not think that there would be repercussions? Maybe the answer is for the Israelis to allow the Palestinians to build casinos?

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but an irate tireless few keen on setting the brushfire of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams

But

White people never lived in America before they came. Jews had their own state long ago in that area. They just came back. Palestinian state never existed. P sound does not exist in Arabic alphabet.

Bad comparison

'White' is a racial group (more of an umbrella term really)

'Jew' is a religious affiliation.

BTW, most Jews, including the ones in Israel ARE White. I don't know why so many people talk as if the two are mutually exclusive when they obviously aren't.

jussayin'

Also, Whites most certainly did live in North America before the colonization of it...unless you don't count Vikings as White people. Going back to prehistoric times when Asia and NA were connected (Beringia aka Bering land bridge), plenty of 'White' and 'Asian' folk crossed over and settled in NA.

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