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When Will We All Get It?

Petitioning, writing to congress, appealing to legislatures, voting, trying to take over parties, whining on message boards (I know I know)backing Rand Paul, running for local office, etc etc... is not going to change anything. The agenda just marches forward despite all efforts.

I am not trying to dissuade anyone from what they are doing just trying to face reality. The problem is we have an ignorant majority in society. They have accepted society as it is support it and will even fight to maintain it! It will continue until that changes and we will get more if the same.

I agree we need to continue to educate people but what happens when we finally reach a majority? Will the corruption cease? Will we be able to vote in honest people? Not when the vote is as rigged as it is today.

Who knows how long it will take and how much worse the police state will get while we try to educate the majority. The bottom line as I see it is once we reach that critical mass it will most likely take violence to unseat the entrenched corruption.

I hate to say it and it and it is not something I want or promote but take these increasing swat style raids by police etc. How much worse will they get while we wait for the people to wake up? Will they just stop when we get a majority to wake up or will we have to stop them with force?

Anyway I do not have any answers this is just me thinking out loud...

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In every movement...

there is a defining moment where people will chose a side:


I hope that it will not be a moment like above.. but an intellectual one. There is good reason and wisdom behind Dr. Pauls strategy. Imagine fighting for the same principles for almost 80 years. What segment would you get behind?

Do not lose faith. Stay the course. Educate yourself and share your beliefs and convictions. This Titanic may not go off course but we are going to need you when it hits an iceberg. Remain positive.

At the end of the day, as long as you know what is true and hold your principles you cannot lose. Those who wish to plummet like lemmings do so by their own choice. It will be those that pumped the brakes that will lead us to a shining city on the hill, instead of over a cliff.


'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

I agree with what your

I agree with what your saying, I just don't think that violence is the answer or inevitable.

I truly believe that the real solution is education and peaceful/non-violent civil disobedience.

If enough people "wake up" and just peacefully disobey/ignore our lawmakers we will live in a real free society.

I'm convinced that once the dollar crashes and the federal government goes completely bankrupt, we will naturally evolve into what I just described... I feel like it's going to happen.

I think if we can get 20-25% of the population to see reality...

we can take advantage of the ensuing financial collapse.

In the long term, socialist forms of government will always fail (for one) because they rely on the omniscience of the ruling oligarchy. Just like monarchies, oligarchies have better rulers at certain times than others. Some may even be likeable, but they can only slow the inevitable collapse. Further, Socialist Man will never be fully realized (IMO). Recently, I was watching a documentary on Netflix named Khodorkovsky where one of the former leaders of the Russian company Yukos openly said that one of the major reasons the nation fell was because - no one gave damn while they were at work (paraphrasing).

Going further, even if political change were achieved, it would only be temporary. Eventually, the power-mongers would once again infiltrate simply due to their unquenchable lust to control other people. Jefferson realized this - hence his statement that essentially said that revolution would be occasionally necessary to preserve liberty.

Up to this point in time, humanity has been guided by various philosophies (which all leave wide openings for tyranny). I would be curious to see the world after a philosophical revolution based on the non-aggression principle. Governments and traditions are the only impediments, but we're closer now than ever.

I think we all agree

things are not going to change and in light things will get much worse. But we are the solution and should never back down on Enlightening and Fighting for Liberty. Soon we will make history.


His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

I understand how you feel...

...but as long as they have so much opposition, the longer it takes them to get their way. Never giving up and preserving what we can for as long as we can can only be good. Had none of us done any of these things, we would have been deeper in communism long ago. It's hard, I know. Sometimes you feel like giving up, but don't! That is what they want us to do...it would be easier for them. At least let's make it tough!

Your right.....

But I'm not alone when I say I'm pissed off and I'm not going to take it anymore. We are more motivated than the majority. Let's get to work.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Its time!

Speak out for Liberty!!

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated, and Scorned. When his cause succeeds however,the timid join him, For then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.” ~Mark Twain

Carl Miller

silverngold posted some videos below of Carl Miller and how to use the constitution this appears to be a PDF transcript of those videos. I have been involved in this type thing (securing and defending your rights) for many many years and this guy really has my attention like no one has for years...


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This link looks like it's a good one too.

Thanks for the Carl Miller text hawkiye

Makes it lots easier to see the spelling of some of these case laws. Get copies of the Constitution everybody(and include some pertinent case laws), and pass it out like candy.

Get groups together and watch/discuss this topic

post on facebook, craigslist, twitter, anywhere and everywhere. Tell your friends, family, neighbors, the guy in line behind you at the store, anyone who would listen. Stop feeling helpless and start empowering ourselves with knowledge. The answers are there.

we here at the DP

are awake. Probably about 5 % or so of the general population are awake. The other 95% will only wake up when they are in the FEMA camps.


Run for Sheriff!!!

We just had a guy run for

We just had a guy run for Sheriff in our county who subscribes to Sheriff Macks philosophy and he ran a hell of a campaign with lots of support from the people and still lost.

Bottom line the majority of people are ignorant and relatively comfortable and still buying the 5 minute sound bytes they get from media about the state of things...

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this is great but is one

this is great but is one incident in the face of hundreds of negative ones. We win a battle here and there but we are losing the war big time as the thugs get ever more aggressive against us.

So this guy won what about this guy in Montana facing 80 years for legally growing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZCWHxmph80

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the guy in Montana does NOT know the CONSTITUTION!

If we know the Constitution, we can beat the system. This is what Dr. Paul and others have been trying to beat into our ignorant heads. We've got brains. We've got the tools to be free Men. USE them!!!!

Here's part of the answer. Dr. Paul told us all this time...

This guy, CM, is BRILLIANT. Watch part 2 first to see what's possible. Part 1 are important case laws. This stuff needs to be spread around like wild fire. This is how we free ourselves fr. slavery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q35DoJroTYY&feature=relmfu Know Your Constitution - Carl Miller Part 2 of 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-zHrNPfkQ&feature=relmfu Know Your Constitution - Carl Miller Part 1 of 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9fdSirNinQ&feature=relmfu Know Your Constitution - Carl Miller Part 3 of 3


This deserves a thread of its own. Please make it so (you deserve the credit)!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Take the time to listen to

Take the time to listen to these they are well worth your time. I downloaded them too in case youtube dumps them

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"You damn well better listen."

"You damn well better listen" at about 00:40:00, lol.

I am halfway through Part 1. This guy is TOPS!


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


Wow I have listened to about 30 minutes of part 2 so far and this guy is awesome! I have been involved in this kind of thing for many years off an on and this guy has my attention and no one else has for the last 3 years...

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Maybe it's part of our

Maybe it's part of our normalcy bias? If we face facts we either have to do something about it or bow down and lick the boots of our masters? So instead we try to ignore it and do busy work act like were making progress and call it fighting for freedom. Maybe that's why the liberty movement scatters it energies to the winds and can't come together as one on anything?

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It will be a very long time before we reach a majority.

There are so many indoctrinated generations now, the majority openly want socialism, and see no harm. And many so called "Constitutional Conservatives" like socialism, but won't admit it. I don't like sounding pessimistic, but it looks to me the pendulum has a long way to swing before it ever starts back. Those of us who do not go along with the program will be marginalized, then who knows. All totalitarian societies have resorted to "eliminating" those who resist. Americans just do not seem to care we are so close to losing our liberty. As long as Massa treats us ok, it's not a problem. Massa will increase his demands though, and force us to compromise our beliefs and convictions.
I would say steel ourselves for what lies ahead. The seeds of totalitarianism from DC have been planted.

Undo what Wilson did

:forget "all" - how about "enough of us?"

There are so many layers to "get" - and so many people peel back one layer and think that NOW they have all the answers and stop digging....
I don't know either. I know it makes me sad that Ralph Smead did not live to see his nation restored, and sadder to think I probably won't either. Still, what can you do? No putting this genie back in the bottle.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.