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Skyscraper on fire in Dubai - No Pancake Effect

Burning for 8 hours, no pancake effect.

Washington Post: DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Rescue crews in Dubai safely evacuated a 34-story residential tower Sunday after a fire gutted portions of the building, police said.

The blaze charred the outside of the structure and send gray smoke drifting over a major development known as Jumeirah Lakes Towers, a cluster of high-rise apartment buildings and shops on the southern edge of Dubai.

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Yes, It was B-25 bomber

Here's the full story http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92987873

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Apples and Oranges again?

The plane that hit the empire state building had a maximum overload weight of 41,000 pounds and a maximum fuel capacity of 974 Gallons.

A 747 has a maximum overload weight of 735,000 pounds and a maximum fuel capacity of 48,000 gallons.

I thought you "truthers" looked for and researched the TRUTH

or is it conjecture? I never can tell with you guys.

The plane that hit

The plane that hit WTC7....

oh that's right...no plane hit building 7, but it MYSTERIOUSLY suffered the fate as the other 2 buildings.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Nor did a plane hit the Pentagon according to this eyewitness

that was inside the building right at the impact site.

Pentagon Employee Says Plane Did Not Crash into Building - 911 Inside Job 4:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXC1aTZhxhM

This woman boldly speaks the truth.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Amazing that in 4 alleged

Amazing that in 4 alleged plane crashes, there is an amazingly absent amount of plane debris.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

And the towers were also much

And the towers were also much larger and much more high-tech - designed for impact by jet liners.

Also, WTC north tower had a

Also, WTC north tower had a huge fire in 1975 which burned six floors in 3 hours. 65% of the 11th floor was burned and they were higher temperatures than 911 - above 700F. The flames burst out windows, etc.

This took place at a location which had a much higher structural loading. The beams did not bend and buckle and cause a collapse. No metal was replaced. Even if you want to argue that added damage from impact was the straw that broke the camel's back, you still have to answer why no steel members needed replaced since everyone claims that these temperatures were above 911 where it is claimed the fires weakened and bent the steel>

These towers were designed to withstand fires AND airline impacts. These types of structures are built with high safety factors - i.e., 3 or 4... meaning they can support around 3 to 4 times the loads which are calculated. Even if the steel lost 50% of its strength (which is practically impossible due to the rapid conduction of heat throughout the structure), they would still be capable of handling twice the loading.

If the max temperatures were 600 F, no significant volume of steel would ever get close to that. Only the portion directly under the influence of a flame would even approach it and would still likely be a couple hundred degrees shy. With conduction, steel just 5 or 10 feet away would be much less than that - these are very thick beams and columns.

Where do you get your figures

Where do you get your figures for temps? They seem a little low. There is always the possibility of naturally formed thermite from the steel, aluminium, heat and pressure. OR the possibility of hydrogen gas being created from the aluminium and water.

But fuck it, lets just keep calling each other mofos and gobble up the government did it bullshit WITHOUT any discussion about possible ways that these building could have come down by jetliners.

jack off

theres always the possibility of . . . uhhhhh, ummmm
naturally formed cement

It would re-constititute itself and NOT collapse.
or
naturally formed BULLSHIT!!!

or a naturally formed hydrogen bomb right jack!!??

ahahahahahahahahah

something vaporized those enormous buildings HOURS after a plane hit them. but keep your fingers in your ears jack singing - i cant hear you! i cant hear you! lalalalalalalalala!!

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
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EXCELLENT RESPONSE

"Naturally formed cement." Hahaha.

Effing hysterical.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

go fuckyourself, you bring

go fuckyourself, you bring nothing to this discussion.

Nice language Jack

the problem is you bring nothing to this discussion with your hysterically funny "naturally formed thermite" theory you pulled out of your butt.

Thanks for the bumps though.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Go fuckyourself, you bring

Go fuckyourself, you bring nothing to this discussion.

*

You get an F for extra deranged effort.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

naturally formed thermite?

naturally formed thermite? From some office fires?

LMAO

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

John see, Google thermite,

John see, Google thermite, see what it is made of. See how hydrogen gas can be created. There are options out there, but first take off the blinders or at least research it.

Naturally Formed Thermite? You are kidding right? NOT POSSIBLE

Hit the road Jack.

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/653-de...

Accidental Thermite Reactions?

PM also cites Richard Fruehan, professor of metallurgical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University:

The thermite reaction could have occurred with aluminum metal and any oxide that happens to be near it. Or oxygen could react with aluminum as well. There was a lot of aluminum in the building itself—the windows, etc., plus the airplane’s aluminum. That could have caused a thermite reaction and produced a small amount of molten iron. (pg. 57)

First, for molten iron to be produced, aluminum would have to interact with iron oxide, not just with “any oxide that happens to be near it,” as Fruehan suggests. Regardless, his entire premise is not just unlikely, but impossible. First, Fruehan’s theory would require that random chaotic events—the impact of the planes, the ensuing fires, and the collapses—were able to create not just thermite, but a highly advanced, weaponized version of it, in order to account for the high-tech nano-thermite composite material that was discovered in WTC dust samples. It would be quite interesting if any defender of the official 9/11 story were able to show that a chaotic event like the WTC disaster could create highly engineered, multilayered, nanothermite-composite materials. Secondly, any accidental thermite reactions would not have happened at a large scale and at all relevant points. Mechanical engineer Gordon Ross notes:

[I]f I leave margarine, flour, sugar and fruit in a cupboard, when I next open the cupboard I will not find a fruit crumble. Some mechanism is required to convert the ingredients. Similarly, if I take these same ingredients, set them alight and throw them out the window, I still will not get my fruit crumble. The mechanism must have some order… What we are being asked to swallow in place of our absent fruit crumble, is that the tonnes of aluminum aircraft parts were powderised upon impact, thoroughly mixed with tonnes of rust from the towers’ steel superstructure in exactly the required proportion to form tonnes of thermite, which then hung around for about an hour before distributing itself to key structural points throughout the tower, then igniting in a complex sequence to cause the towers’ collapse. It is granted that a good imagination is a requirement for a good scientist, but this just abuses the privilege. Perhaps the name for this natural thermite should instead be intelligent thermite, or intelligent malevolent thermite.[iv]

Similarly, as noted by Jim Hoffman:

The pyrotechnics, found in nearly all dust samples studied to date… [are] nano-engineered material with thermitic constituents. Such materials are not spontaneously manufactured by melting airplanes or any other such event – they are the product of high-tech manufacturing likely extant only since the 1990s.[v]

Thirdly, until some type of experiment is presented to show that natural thermite reactions were at all likely at the WTC site, the assumption of natural thermite reactions at the WTC is simply not valid. In fact, experiments have addressed the possibility of accidental thermite reactions under conditions that mirror both airplane impacts into steel buildings and fires in steel buildings. These experiments, performed in 2002, indicate that accidental thermite reactions could not have taken place.[vi]

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

highly engineered,

highly engineered, multilayered, nanothermite-composite materials

just a bunch of extra words, when just plain thermite would have done. Thermite isn't some secret weapon. If you have ever seen the show about the folks from Louisiana on tv where they make guns then at the end of the show they test them and usually something blows up. That is thermite. You used to be able to buy it in gun stores.

Nothing new. You will get no evidence of anything once thermite burns it, let alone be able to tell that THIS thermite was some super special "highly engineered, multilayered, nanothermite-composite materials" AFTER it itself is what burned.

Weird shit can happen when you mix extreme physics and chemistry, planes hitting buildings is a plausible conclusion for what happened.

Tannerite is not Thermite Jack

Stop it already you are too confused and upset to be posting it appears.
Take a break,we'll be here tomorrow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

No, I'm not confused, you

No, I'm not confused, you just got to read back a ways.

Jack, Go watch PBS's

Jack,

Go watch PBS's 'Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth' and you'll find over 1800 experts that disagree with you.

Just because you can search Google doesn't mean s&^%. You have no idea what the f%$# you're talking about.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I bet you I could amass the

I bet you I could amass the same number of Engineers and Architects that might disagree with "truthers" and the gooberment. Just because you got the title doesn't mean jack squat.

go find them then and quit

go find them then and quit talking about it!

Go find some architects, engineers, physicists, and scientists that agree with your goofy a$$ theory.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

What figures seem low? We

What figures seem low?

We have been addressing why airlines could not have done this for over 10 years now. It is the "the planes and fires did it" bullshit that has been accepted and repeated WITHOUT any discussion about POSSIBLE ways these buildings could have come down based on the evidence rather than a completely unproven and justified official story.

The temperature of the fires,

The temperature of the fires, like I asked in my first sentence of my post to you.

The steel temperatures that

The steel temperatures that NIST took were about 250 C - that is data from the actual steel. In their computer models they made the steel reach above 1000C although the evidence didn't suggest the temps were that high. Most of the jet fuel was ignited during the fire-ball.

NIST said: "limited exposure if any above 250 ºC."

I thought you didn't believe

I thought you didn't believe the gooberment's report, yet you use it to back up your claims.

This is a silly comment. NIST

This is a silly comment. NIST collected data and reported it... The data collected can't explain the collapse - so they fudged data until the scenario they were told to come up with worked in their models. So, there are two parts to the report 1) the actual evidence and 2) the fudged models and experiments. Its easy to see that their report suffers from multiple personality disorder. They admit in the report that "Oh, this didn't happen, but its obvious that it did so, it happened."

They are more or less trying to tell you "Hey, we are totally making this shit up in order to fit a story, but if you look at our footnotes you can see that its made up." "We aren't lying, we are just jumping to false conclusions that isn't supported by our own data."

I actually am friends with a guy who works with one of the engineers who did the official modeling for the impact but I haven't yet got to read that full report and get some questions asked.

I don't know what world you

I don't know what world you live in, but here on earth...no type of plane crash will ever create thermite or molten metal. There are no volcanoes in New York.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Wow, well I guess you haven't

Wow, well I guess you haven't researched everything now have you.

What would you "truther's say, Google it!

Then reply back to me.

Here, google this. Steel, Aluminium, Fire, hyrdogen. all at the same time. Those keywords should bring you to the information for which you do not know.