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Skyscraper on fire in Dubai - No Pancake Effect

Burning for 8 hours, no pancake effect.

Washington Post: DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Rescue crews in Dubai safely evacuated a 34-story residential tower Sunday after a fire gutted portions of the building, police said.

The blaze charred the outside of the structure and send gray smoke drifting over a major development known as Jumeirah Lakes Towers, a cluster of high-rise apartment buildings and shops on the southern edge of Dubai.

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But thermite requires a

But thermite requires a certain mixture and particle size. You can't just throw that stuff together and a building comes down. Its interesting but extremely unlikely.

Unlikely, that is an

Unlikely, that is an interesting choice of words. Doesn't mean it is or isn't possible.

Also thermite is easy as hell to make and it isn't an exact science to get a mixture to work, albeit maybe not as potent as it could be, but enough to heat up some steel and make it weak.

Jack seems to know everything

Jack seems to know everything about Thermite and explosives. I hope the Dept. of Homeland Insecurity/FEMA is logging his IP address and placing him on either their Red or Blue list.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I said "extremely unlikely".

I said "extremely unlikely". There is also a possibility that you can walk through a brick wall, but extremely unlikely.

What about the formation of

What about the formation/explosion of hydrogen gas?

I could care less about you

I could care less about you and your lame a$$ google searches.

Independent labs have found NANO thermite in the dust. This means the nano thermite is built from the atom up. Nano means a measurement of one billionth. It is absolutely impossible for natural reactions to have formed this or caused that kind of reaction.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Lame ass google searches...

Lame ass google searches... Go fuck yourself John See.

Another closed minded "truther". My friend, we may agree about Dr. Paul, but not about science. Nano is just another word tossed in there to make it sound special or scientific. Every fucking element of everything you use is and is constructed of smaller than nano sized particles. There is even something smaller, it's called an atom, and even smaller yet there are quarks and even smaller yet...

I'm sure you're the expert on

I'm sure you're the expert on small things.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul



November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Apples and oranges there.

Apples and oranges there.

The closed mindedness of some

The closed mindedness of some "truthers" reminds me of neocons, ultra leftist and bible thumpers who focus on one thing only. There is no room for discussion amongs some of you. Your right and i'm wrong and i'm gonna show you by having you view a bunch of conjecture and opinion on a YouTube video. You guys are so sure that the building was brought down by demolition because some guy said pull it? OR they planted super secret, super duper explosives. There are accidents that happen all of time that you could try and probably could, connect dots to make it look like it was caused by something other than what it was.

Get real. Was gooberment responsible yes, but not directly. These ass clowns in Washington can't get anything straight yet they planned and executed this operation without any hickups, whistle blowers or witnesses. Naw, they just ignored their "intelligence". That's all.

I think most of your alls time would be better used by learning more history and trying to understand it. Then you could be explaining to people how this was caused by blowback than to keep pushing a flawed THEORY that the majority of people WILL NEVER, EVER believe.

If anyone want to discuss this I'm open, IF you just want to downvote then go cover your ears, close your eyes, and keep drinking YOUR koolaid.

I share your frustration

People tend to want to look at it individually. "This" one event could have happened, just as they say. "That" one event also could have happened, just as they say.
This assumes each happened in a vacuum.
I believe that coincidence is possible, and a very dangerous thing. Sometimes coincidence just seems to stack against people. (been there, done that).
However, that day, every American should have bought a lottery ticket, cuz that was one wild ride.

Whatever did happen to the 4.3 trillion Rumsfeld lost? Whatever did happen in that Enron fiasco? Oh, wait; the records of both those events were destroyed that day, in two separate places, by the same event. The pentagon situation was separated by almost an hour from the towers, but, that makes it more interesting, and still very much connected.

The Pentagon is arguably the most secure, defended building in the world, or at least, this country. How did they miss a slow moving jumbo jet? Presumably, they have missile defense of that building. It can see missiles, but not planes? Only two frames from a crappy camera exist on that? Some argue that people wouldn’t believe that even if there were pictures and video. But, where are those pictures and videos? The pentagon is literally bristling with cameras. Am I the only one that thinks that’s odd?
As a whole, the situation is Swiss cheese, whatever may have happened to the buildings.

Don't forget the evidence of the Israelis, who were seen filming the plane impacts and cheering, both of them. According to the story by the police, they described themselves as Israeli.
Also, there was a van packed with explosives on the George Washington Bridge, in NYC.
I surmise these Israelis were probably mossad.(just speculation)

The evidence of Nano-thermite in the dust is pretty incontrovertible, IMO. The evidence is there, for anyone to refute, but, all I see is personal attacks on Professor Steven Jones. Just because it has never been publicly accepted by the media, doesn’t mean Nano-thermite doesn’t exist. I have seen Nano-machines smaller than a pin head, with moving gears and everything. It’s not possible that someone invented Nano-thermite?

The Stealth Bomber was flying for a decade, and “didn’t exist”.

When the connections between the CIA, Al Quada, the Muslim Brotherhood, et al., is examined, the entire story falls apart.
The official narrative is impossible for me to accept at face value. I had to suspend less disbelief for the latest Hollywood blockbuster.
It boils down to "do you believe the government or not?"
Since I KNOW they lie, I do not. ;)

Just open the box and see


It's funny you brought up Enron. Maybe I haven't studied 9/11 truth enough but I hadn't heard of any Enron connection to it. However, this morning I was reading a book that discussed Enron (and how Jeff Skilling resigned in August 2001) and it got me thinking about that. Who knows. It certainly doesn't sound far-fetched to me that it's somehow related.


The records of the Enron fiasco were being stored and investigated in the FBI headquarters, in Tower 7.
Here is a short summary of the Official Story I like to watch from time to time. I know its been linked here before, but its short and fun.


I can find little fault with it, except I beleive the pink haired stripper part is pure conjecture. ;)

Just open the box and see

I had seen that video before but watched it again

I just noticed a comment in there that was interesting (see below). Don't get me wrong, I definitely want a new investigation and, to me, the whole thing seems extremely fishy. However, I'm also not an architect/engineer so I don't know what to think about the whole thing. But in particular the question below seems like a legitimately good one (and one I hadn't thought of).

"if it really was a controlled demolition, and is blatantly obvious and the evidence is there, why did the insurance companies not use this against silverstein's claim and pay out to him without EVER mentioning this, even in passing? it cost them $BILLIONS."

Good Point

I haven’t read the comments there in a while.

I also read recently that Silverstein is now suing the airline company for "lack of security", to a several billion dollar price tag.
I would tend to agree, why aren’t the insurance companies driving the truther bandwagon for a new investigation? They stand to lose more than anyone from these secrets.

Just open the box and see

Who knows if the missing $2.3 trillion is related to this

I thought of that one after posting. Though of course it still might not be correct

It may only be related in

It may only be related in that, a passenger liner hit that spot in the pentagon where the records were being searched, looking for that money. Now, its just gone.
Just another of that vast myriad of coincidences, many of which seem to deal with money. Although, since the 9-11 commission says that money is of no practical significance, it must be nothing. ;)

Just open the box and see

Don't forget

all the cameras in the surrounding area, such as gas stations, hotels etc. that were confiscated just minutes after the pentagon was hit by the missle...er....plane.

Why did the goverment criminals confiscate all those cameras?
Why have they not shown what was on all that footage?

Yes, the pentagon is the most protected piece of real estate on planet earth, with the most sophisticated surface to air defence systems know to man, and it got hit.

There is even testimony of one rep ( I believe from Hawaii ) who testified before congress that Cheney was told that an unidentified object was coming in from 40 miles out, then 30, then 20 and he asked if the orders still stand! Cheney snapped around and said " have you heard otherwise" ( I can't remember the actual quote but this is close ).

Cheney was letting that missle come in an hit the people who were working on the missing $2.3 trillion.

What happened to NORAD that day?
Well, guess who was in charge of NORAD that day?
Yep, Cheney!

It is very evident and speaks for itself, what these heartless, dispicable murderers have done.

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~


The NORAD issue is a whole seemingly separate issue that is fully entwined with that day.

It can be difficult to think about it in its full context. The mechanism of how the buildings actually fell is just one aspect of the entire gestalt.

Just open the box and see

The Transportation

The Transportation Secretary...


and why were dozens of local, state, and federal laws and protocols broken to get all of the debris on boats to China before it could be studied. This is what criminals do.

I guess the deniers really believe Bin Laden was killed and dumped into the ocean...since we're to the point of believing whatever without proof...and we know there is noooooooo history of our government ever lying to us.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Truth deniers will not see

Truth deniers will not see the truth if Jesus Christ showed them who did it. We have actual police audio discussing finding Israelis with trucks packed with explosives, and people will still not be able to see anything to this. Watch War by Deception by Ryan Dawson.

"These ass clowns in

"These ass clowns in Washington can't get anything straight yet they planned and executed this operation without any hickups, whistle blowers or witnesses."

There are plentiful hickups in official version of 9/11. There are many whistle blowers and eyewitnesses. "These ass clowns in Washington" did very poor job indeed... only close minded persons can buy their explanation. It is you who push flawed official theory. Two hour long you tube video that explain why there are so many people that "do not believe" can be watched in below link:


No I push for discourse

No I push for discourse without using conjecture to try and string things together. I don't push "for their flawed theory", I push for the truth without bullshit. Maybe your "proof" is better than the last dozen people who had "proof", but I dought it.

It is the same pixelated, one camera angle, unsubstantiated, heresay, taken out of context "evidence", "smoking gun" as the others.

If Jesus presented me the evidence then I would have to change my mind on three things: 9/11 was an inside job, Jesus existed, and zombies are real.

Talk at ya'll later, I'm going to go eat some chicken fried steak.


just had to log in to reply to this , close minded huh ?



"without any hickups," there were plenty hiccups , FLIGHT 93 was meant to hit WTC7, it came down anyway thought did'nt it. fancy that.

think about this , how can one fit a conventional explosive that causes destruction on the scale of tonnage into the back of a truck or car ?

seems like you are the closeminded one bro


this is all kind of like romney releasing an official statement on the ambassador's death 2 minutues after hilary announced the attack and first death to the world.(foreknowledge is a bitch)

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Don't call me a mofo. Where

Don't call me a mofo. Where is the tolerance? Yah, closed minded or would you prefer ignorant.

Hey Jack

Just watch the videos on:


I used to be in your boat and would actually make fun of "9/11 truthers", until i bothered to sit down about 6 months ago and actually look at the evidence behind their argument. All I ask is you do the same.

I have read and watched

I have read and watched countless videos and articles about thermite, missing money, etc and most if not all pure conjecture. Since we will NEVER, EVER, EVER know whatever the "truth" is why don't we move on to tangible things to advance the liberty cause that CAN be proven.

Have you thought that mayby,

because 9/11 was pivotal to having liberty stolen, the the base of the liberty movement must start with a proper, independent, fully funded inquiry into the Event, and that those responsible for the total break down in Americas defenses, resulting in the deaths of 1000s, be held accountable? The gaping, festering wound of 9/11 is not "who", but "why".
Dr Paul may not have fallen on the side of the Truthers, but he would have had proper investigation if We the People called for it.

I agree Dr. Paul or any

I agree Dr. Paul or any gooberment official that had a morals would want the same thing. Did they horribly handle the investigation and it's explanation to us, absolutely! Would it have shown that secret explosive, lizard people or zionist secretly planned and executed it, no. It would have found and probably did that the US's "intelligence" agencies are woefully ineffective at best and criminally negligent at worst. But how do you think people would have handled that nugget of truth?

Maybe many people that think that 9/11 was pivotal are wrong and they are not really helping out the cause as they are akin to build the fence, pro/con abortion fanatics etc, who feel that all of our problems can be solved by people just getting THIS.

Maybe many people that think that 9/11 was pivotal are right, but many of them approach others if they have been born again and just trying to spread the good word. Just look at these videos, look at what he said, you see that highly pixelated puff of something, must be lizard people fart that brought the building down. If they want to "expose" the 9/11 truth then why not just push for the truth without all these really poorly concocted theories that make most truthers look like a bunch of damn fools, again using conjecture to try and prove their theory. Just push for the release of the investigation for starters, unredacted. Then go from there.

As far as "9/11 being pivotal to having liberty stolen", is naive. They have been eroding our liberties for a century now, 9/11 is barely a blip on the screen.