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Skyscraper on fire in Dubai - No Pancake Effect

Burning for 8 hours, no pancake effect.

Washington Post: DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Rescue crews in Dubai safely evacuated a 34-story residential tower Sunday after a fire gutted portions of the building, police said.

The blaze charred the outside of the structure and send gray smoke drifting over a major development known as Jumeirah Lakes Towers, a cluster of high-rise apartment buildings and shops on the southern edge of Dubai.

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What is easier?

coming to grips with the fact that your government is criminally negligent, or coming to grips that a member of your family has been blown to bits ether in 9/11 or it's resulting wars, all for the personal profit of those same negligent men?
I'm sorry that you are not brave enough or mature enough to look the actions of Cheney, Rumsfeld, the Bush family and others squarely in the eye and say..."there is much, much more than lizard farts going on here, no mere lizard could STINK this much."



Is that mature enough for you?

9/11 an inside job, Rumsfeld, the Bushes, etc, who gives a fuck. Trying to teach or explain or turn people on to Liberty by explaining all of that will get you the glossy eyed look.

Trying to explain the debt, Indefinate Detention, drone strikes, FDA, sound money are things that people can understand.

In the end we both want the same thing, freedom and the truth from our government.

The way I see it, is that you can try and explain some far fetched theory which may or may not be right via zoomed in pictures, hearsay evidance, etc to get people to understand that their government is lying


you can try and explain things that us simple minded folks can understand like debt, Indefinate Detention, drone strikes, FDA, sound money, etc. Those are far easier to explain and have that person understand as there are figures that even their government puts out, that you can use to explain how they are getting screwed.

In the end they both result in the same thing, more people embracing liberty. We may not ever know the "truth" about 9/11, but the more people that wake up to and embrace liberty as the answer via the simple things that they can wrap their heads around the quicker the change. And maybe we can avoid another 9/11 whomever did it.

Idefinate Detention, drone strikes,

FDA, TSA, NDAA, much of "the debt" all springs from policy made because the events of 9/11 enabled it.
True that many people will gloss over or ignore the Governments failure on 9/11, but if you don't recognise how "liberty" is stolen, how do you stop it from happening again?

laws of physics are only suspended in New York

at least according to the steadfast and purposeful ignoramous masses

Doubtful a Building in Dubai would suffer the Pancake Effect...

...the flapjack effect is much more common for buildings in this geographical area.

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are you 'waffling'?

leggo my conspiracy theory

~ducks and runs~

Hey! No reason to cause a flap,


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Look, I find this interesting. I find the whole WTC collapse analysis interesting and worth investigating.

But what is the relevance of it to promoting Paul's message and the message of liberty?

Even if we take it as a given that the most damning theories about the attacks on 9/11/01 are true, is that not its own subject and its own issue? Investigating 9/11 is about investigating a crime that has already been perpetrated. Even if we could definitively say persons X, Y, and Z were responsible in the top ranks of government, arresting them and prosecuting them does nothing to change policy. In fact, some people would call for more government oversight and more government intervention to prevent future attacks! (WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE THEY DO ALL THE TIME WHEN GOVERNMENT MESSES UP!)

I'm not saying it isn't important. The possibility of finding that the truth was not as it seemed alone makes investigating the events of 9/11 a worthwhile activity. However, I cannot see the relevance of this issue to promoting the policy and philosophy of liberty any more than determining whether O.J. Simpson killed his wife.

Because governments should fear the people.

The rate at which the truth about events is revealed to the people is accelerating.

Kennedy took decades, 9-11 took years, Kony took days, Benghazi took hours.

Finding the truth about 9-11 and other events serves the purpose of showing governments that the truth ultimately can't be hidden.

Maintaining a stranglehold on information is essential for any repressive government simply because credibility in story-telling = credibility in tax-collecting.

If what a government tells you is a lie, then,

Isn't what they tell you you owe them also, maybe, a lie?

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It Would Awaken The Masses

Assuming 9/11 was an "inside job" and it was somehow proven, people couldn't help but "wake up", no? How could they not start questioning everything? And wouldn't that open the door for liberty candidates?

One possible reason

Once you realize that, yes, it is that monstrous, and yes, there are huge cover-ups going on, the idea of Liberty makes much more sense. Where better to learn the truth than on a site that promotes Liberty? That event was the very antithesis of Liberty

Though, you’re probably right, the government continues its machinations, there are plenty of current events to focus on. ;)

Just open the box and see

The architecture in Dubai and

The architecture in Dubai and in most of the Middle East and Eastern world is quite different. It's very rare that heavy duty beams are used like we use them in the west. Concrete and bunches of long, thin steel(iron?) bars shape the buildings and sometimes facades are placed on the outside to make them look a little better. I don't know how that would factor in to either side of this building collapse debate, but I just thought of that.

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Er... are we sure this has happened/is happening in Dubai ?

Er... are we sure this has happened/is happening in Dubai ?

I'm just asking because in the case of WTC7, the MSM was so quick to catch up that ... the event was yet to unfold, in fact ! Pretty cool, uh ?!

Just a bit confusing for one's average brain, though; yeah, I know !

The "breaking* news" (and ESPECIALLY about BIG stuff that vanishes - POOF ! - btw) travel so fast these days, man ! As we've seen recently, yet again ! ...


* and oh so appropriately qualified...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

When did you quit believing in Santa Claus?

That's the Subject line of an email I wrote and sent out to my email list back in 2009. This was inspired by the 44 story Chinese skyscraper fire in February of that year that I described (below) as having "thoroughly burned into a crinkling cinder. However IT DID NOT COLLAPSE." This Dubai skyscraper fire is more proof that fire alone won't take down a skyscraper.

Anyway, I use a stripped down version of this email to answer 9/11 questions on Yahoo Answers (also under Bloatedtoad). The only change here from my original was the addition of the 15 minute Architects & Engineers piece (at the end below). I wanted to share this with you here because this will give you a working knowledge of the basics of the 9/11 story that you can convey easily to others.

Get me in front of a computer with almost anyone and I will flip them from a government 9/11 fairytale believer to a 9/11 truth believer, and that's just using the links below in my Santa Claus email. If time is short (most of the time it is) the most important links are the Kenny Johanemann video (1 minute) and the Larry Silverstein "pull it" video (56 seconds) and your explanation of what these two videos mean. Then if you can get the person to watch the Aaron Russo interview that will tie it all together. The fourth most important link here is the BBC advance report (which proves that a story had already been scripted in the media in advance). Those three or four alone with your guiding insights as they watch is usually enough to cause cognitive dissonance. If you get them to go through all the links I present here it will devastate their world view of what really happened and they will be in a daze for a week or more as they sort out their world view. I know. I've been doing this for three years now. It's time to stop this nonsense that guys with box cutters can shut down the greatest country in the world. This will break it open if it reaches enough people. OK, here's the body of my email. Feel free to copy and share:


As kids we believed in Santa Claus. Our parents were the gatekeepers of information and, though benign, our environment during that formative time was a controlled one. We were taught to believe in Santa Claus. Initially we accepted all the information that we received at face value. However, as time progressed, we gained bits and pieces of information that led to a cognitive dissonance which, in turn, led us to question our image of Santa Claus. These “bits and pieces” led to questions such as “How could Santa Claus fit through my chimney” or “How does Santa Claus leave gifts in millions of homes during a single night”? Armed with all these bits and pieces of information, we began to get a different picture that caused all the previous illogic that we had learned to come crashing down. This finally led to an epiphany that Santa Claus really isn’t anything like what we had first thought!

There are other things in life that we have always taken for granted as “fact” that later prove to be only an illusion as well. It’s only a matter of getting more information. As in the case of the Santa Claus myth, it is only a matter of time as new evidence unfolds that we are forced to rethink our view on what the truth is.

I want to try an experiment here:

Please watch this first video linked here. It’s only one minute. You’ve read this far into my letter so please take just one small minute and watch this first video. You’re going to be impressed. This is a local news video of a witness named Kenny Johannemann testifying to explosions that happened in the basement of one of the WTC towers. While he is testifying you still see both of the twin towers burning behind him in the background. This was live footage and it's only ONE minute long. Go ahead and watch this here:

(YouTube Key Words: Johannemann suicide)

Those explosions were from charges that were set up to weaken the structure preparatory to pulling the tower. You say, “wait, this doesn’t fit anything I know, maybe there is some other explanation for those explosions in the basement.” True. This is just one piece of evidence, but it’s a piece of evidence that raises a lot of questions. You didn’t see this on TV either. Does that prick your interest?

The government has promoted a “theory” that maybe the fuel from the jet trickled down the elevator shafts into the basement and subsequently exploded. Could this be? Let’s continue and look at other evidence. Barry Jennings was another witness that got stuck in Building Seven during 9/11. Remember, Building Seven was NEVER hit by a jet. In Barry's case an explosion blew out a stair well below him leaving him hanging and stranded for hours until the fire department got him out. Both the twin towers went down during the time he was stranded. Building Seven, a tall building in it’s own right (47 stories tall), came down at around 5:20 (later that day). Fortunately, he was saved. Watch his account here:

(YouTube Key Words: Barry Jennings dead age – more hits when “dead age” excluded)

Again, the explosions he talked about were from charges that were set up to weaken the structure preparatory to pulling down this building. You say, “Hold On! Building Seven housed the FBI and the CIA offices, so who would have access to set up explosives in there? There has got to be another explanation.” True. This is just one piece of evidence which raises more questions. Again, you didn't see Barry’s testimony on TV.

William Rodriguez, head janitor at the towers, was meeting with some people in basement level #1 (the highest of several basement levels) when an explosion from below pushed everyone upwards, causing ceiling tiles to fall and walls to crack. Just as William started to express to others what he thought that explosion might be, an airplane hit and shook the building from above. His story begins at 9:31 here:

(Google Video Key Words: William Rodriguez Alex Jones)

Now, let’s look for other different kinds of evidence. Steve Jones, a physicist, obtained WTC dust samples from the collapsed WTC towers from people who lived nearby. He analyzed it and found that the dust contained residues of explosives. Steve Jones first became famous when he became known as the “voice of reason” during the Pons / Fleischman "Cold Fusion" debacle of 1989, if you remember that. For a Nuclear Physicist, like Steve Jones, analyzing dust samples for explosive residues is a relatively simple task. It may be similar to asking a PhD mathematician to do arithmetic. He reported his detailed findings here in Boston:

(Google Video Key Words: Steve Jones Boston)

In this lecture, you recall, he offered other scientists to take parts of his samples in order to analyze the "red chips" that he had recently discovered. That was December 2007. These specks have now, in fact, been confirmed to be unexploded “nanostructured super-thermite” particles. That confirmation is not just a smoking gun IT IS THE GUN. See the article here:


The actual paper in its entirety can be found here in PDF form. Be sure to click the “download” link here:


If you get into the actual paper, you learn that the explosives may actually have been sprayed into position like paint or insulation!

Steve Jones’ findings may not fit the stories that you have heard in the news but it does lend support to what Johannemann, Jennings and Rodriguez testified that they saw. You say, “The news media isn’t going to shoot itself in the foot by making something up.” So how do we rectify all the contradictions that we were told in the news? Could Steve Jones and these witnesses be glory-seeking kooks trying to make a name for themselves?

Then take a look at this:

Here is a BBC report announcing the collapse of the Solomon Building (the official name for Building Seven). There is only one problem. The reporter standing at the scene and announcing this didn't realize that, in fact, you could still see Building Seven still standing off to the right. It actually collapsed within about 20 minutes after that live report. Watch it here:

(YouTube Key Words: BBC Solomon slips – you get more hits by excluding “slips”)

How did the BBC know in advance that Building Seven would collapse? The fact that it was announced in advance is strong support that the flow of information on this tragedy was being controlled (but in a more sinister way than how information about Santa Claus was controlled in your life).

Were the people at the BBC the only people privy to this information? Probably not. Larry Silverstein was the leaseholder of Building Seven. In a 2002 PBS documentary he talked about how he discussed the Building Seven situation with the fire department and how the decision was made by that department to "pull" it. Well, there is one problem with his testimony that you may want to consider. It takes about a week to rig a building with explosives before you pull it. So are buildings constructed with built-in explosives just in case they need to be blown up in a hurry? Building Seven went down that same day. Whoops! Watch Larry's testimony from the PBS documentary here in this short clip:

(YouTube Key words: PBS Silverstein)

Incidentally, luckily for Larry, he insured his property in the nick of time just six months before September 11th! It was a sweet deal. So who orchestrated this terrorist event anyway? They had to get past the FBI and CIA and prepare at least three buildings for demolition as well as direct the activities of men with box cutters (if they even existed). It’s clear from the evidence presented here so far that at least some of the media was in on this. What else could explain the BBC blunder? They had to control the information to those of us who might not like the idea that a few thousand people had to be killed in order to fulfill some kind of agenda. What’s in it for these people that were “in the know?”

Aaron Russo was a famous movie producer who became best friends with one of the Rockefeller family members (Remember “The Rose” and "Trading Places" starring Eddie Murphy?). This is the same Rockefeller family that is a large shareholder of the Federal Reserve Bank -- a private company that loans money to our government and contributes to our huge national debt. You see the name “Federal Reserve” at the top the dollar bill. Yes, we're talking about THAT Bank! Anyway, the upshot of this friendship was that in the year 2000 (11 months before 9/11) Aaron Russo learned from his Rockefeller buddy that there was going to be an "event". He was told that out of this event the U.S. would go into Afghanistan and look for Bin Laden in Caves and then the U.S. would go into Iraq. His fascinating testimony about this "event" starts at 26:45 here in this interview:

(Google Video Key Words: Aaron Russo Reflections Warnings)

One more thing. In February 2009 a 44 story Chinese skyscraper caught fire and thoroughly burned into a crinkling cinder. However IT DID NOT COLLAPSE. By comparison WTC Building Seven had a few small fires and was never hit by a plane. It DID COLLAPSE. See that article here:

(Google Key Words: China 44 fire consumes)

Now see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
(YouTube Key Words: architects engineers 911 truth)

Amazingly, all this evidence is only the tip of the iceberg. Each of these are separate independent pieces of evidence from unconnected sources. When taken together they paint a clear picture. You are a juror in a court of law. What would be your verdict? Remember, the word “conspiracy” is not in the dictionary to describe a fiction.

To forward this as a clean readable e-mail (without the accumulation of all the “>” symbols) just highlight all the text and COPY IT FIRST. Then paste it into your new e-mail before sending it on. It works like a charm!

NOTE: I included key words below each link because it’s common for a video to disappear. Usually multiple versions exist and the key words will assist in finding another copy.


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I love Santa Claus

For quite some time, I was very upset by it. Disturbed that the two people who are tasked with keeping me safe and secure and growing healthy have blatantly lied to me about something. It caused me cognitive dissonance, before I knew the term.

These days, I love the story of Santa Claus because it will teach my children that they need to evaluate evidence to find the reality. Not just parrot anything anyone tells them. If the two people charged with keeping them safe can lie to them, then anyone can lie to them, and they need to see through the lie. Santa Claus is "harmless" in that they are not being deprived of property, resources, or energy (in fact, there are gifts that are a reward).

It is similar to another post I made here recently, that parents help show children consequences before a man with a gavel puts them in a cage with killers and rapists. The "first lie" (I actually had a continuum, "Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, God" but I've since stricken the last one; religion might be a good replacement there, and perhaps government as well) is incredibly important to a growing mind's development. And it should happen in a controlled environment, rather than the dangerous real world.

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BBC reporting the collapse in

BBC reporting the collapse in advance, what more proof people want?

Yes, Youtube is full of skyscrapers burning and none collapsed, only in NY 3 buildings collpsed in the same day, manner and with the same speed.

Let's not forget Flight 93, no photos or videos of the crash site, no airplane, the only eplanation for the events being some Hollywood movie.
How about the Pentagon, conveniently hit in some area under renovation, so no lives or important documents where lost. And of course no videos, dind't know Pentagon had less and lower quality CCTV then a Wallmart store.


Deaths at the pentagon

Yes there were deaths at the pentagon, and many of those who died were looking into the missing $2.3 trillion dollars!

How convenient!

Also, all the camera footage from the surrounding area of the pentagon such as hotels, gas stations, were confiscated just minutes after the explosion.

Why would the government confiscate footage of what hit the pentagon and then keep it secret if it showed an airliner hitting it?
Because it was NOT an airliner that hit the building!

Thes criminals will one day soon, stand before the Almighty God, the all knowing Judge of the universe, guilty in all there wickedness, and He will then pronounce sentence upon them and cast them into the blackness of darkness forever!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

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Agreed 1000%.

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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More evidence of structural failure.

Accounts of Tower Structural Instability and Expected Collapse
Accounts by FDNY and NYPD Aviation units.
With this kind of evidence, you will never get to a grand jury traveling under controlled demolition. You guys want a new investigation? CD is not the route.

Undo what Wilson did

That page is definitely

That page is definitely evidence of a building which has suffered irrecoverable damage and will likely collapse. Of that I have no doubt. It certainly reads like foundation damage, with the whole building swaying.
From that page:

William Rodriguez, who led firefighters partway up the stairwells (from an account of a speech of his): The firemen made it up to the 27th floor but were exhausted from the burden of their equipment. As William had ascended the stairwell he, as well as the firemen, had heard explosions from the 20th through the 30th floor. Chunks of the building were falling down all around them

William Rodriguez tells the story of that event quite clearly. He is the one that said that there was an explosion in the basement BEFORE the plane hit the tower. His tale is quite harrowing and heroic. He speaks of damage that would not have been caused by the planes impact, seen before the events with the firemen in the stairwell (he had the only key, is why he was there). His experience (as he tells it) isn’t consistent with the conclusions of collapse due to plane.
That page shows that the towers were damaged, not how. And, with the non-symmetrical damage seen and heard, a symmetrical collapse? Three times? Three completely different circumstances, in three completely different buildings caused exactly the same result? The twin towers weren’t quite the same, they were at different heights. What did happen to that top part? Why did it vaporize, and not simply fall into the street, as most things that have a building ripped out from under them do? Some would say that it pounded the building down like a pile driver. What then, of the other building, it had no such pile driver. Yet, they both collapsed symmetrically with no little pieces left. Tower 7, so impressed by this, got weak kneed and collapsed in sympathy.

Just open the box and see

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This is NOT evidence.

This is f-u-c-k-i-n-g propaganda....and the worst type.

You have Shyam Sunder....a NIST official that SHOULD BE IN JAIL right now....glossing over the same bull sh*t that fireant, as a government plant, spews forth.

They can continue to try to cover this up...but at some point there will be a breaking point with no return.

You can't stop the truth...as it is like water. Nothing can stand in its way.

And the age of authortarianism is dead. The NWOs will fail because they they think people subscribe to authorities.

Not going to happen.

Sort of like President Obama when he said to the people in the mid-atlantic and NYC in advance of Hurricane Sandy. He said " Make sure you listen to your 'authorities' as to what to do in relation to the hurricane."

I thought....F-U-C-K YOU Mr. President. I don't need you to tell me what to do. I am my own authority. And if I am too STUPID to move to higher ground and I perish, then that is the thinning of the herd that Mother Nature already set forth.

So be it.

Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Why does that matter? The

Why does that matter? The fires were not hot enough, for long enough to lead to structural failure in any of those three buildings on that day.

Nice post!


Wait... BUMP! I mean BUMP!


; )

What would the Founders do?

I think you meant Ba Boom or Boom Boom


You know the diesel tank that exploded in the basement in building 7 : )

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You can do this , America! You CAN handle the truth :)

GREAT headline.

I actually spit out my coffee, laughing.

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The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

Was it hit by a multi 80 ton 300mph steel rocket with wings???

This is not saying 911 is or is not controlled demolition, but just calling unfairness when I see it. Do we know if the building was built like a tube within a tube? Was it hit by a mega ton 350mph screaming missile going the speed of a bullet (the force was stronger than any tank round we have in arsenol. The widest tank round we have is as wide as a football, yet a jumbo jet liner with met fuel is about 30000xs larger and wider than a football, so whether 911 was an inside job or not, this Dubai fire doesn't give any evidence either way to prove or disprove.

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I am pretty sure

a bullet travels at a higher velocity than 350 mph.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

Speed of a typical bullet is

Speed of a typical bullet is 761 mph, according to WolframAlpha.