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Skyscraper on fire in Dubai - No Pancake Effect

Burning for 8 hours, no pancake effect.

Washington Post: DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Rescue crews in Dubai safely evacuated a 34-story residential tower Sunday after a fire gutted portions of the building, police said.

The blaze charred the outside of the structure and send gray smoke drifting over a major development known as Jumeirah Lakes Towers, a cluster of high-rise apartment buildings and shops on the southern edge of Dubai.

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sharkhearted's picture

TRUE.

My mind is certainly made up on the controlled demolition hypothesis. Why?

Because it is true.

Because the evidence is so SELF-EVIDENT even a child can figure it out.

Because there is enough evidence to try and win this case in a fair court of law with thousands of expert witnesses (scientists, engineers, physicists, demolitions experts) ready to swear under oath of the veracity of their research and claims that the towers could have ONLY been completely destroyed by controlled demolition.

However, I would say that there is certainly NO abundance of evidence of controlled demolition...

....to someone who has his head in the sand like an ostrich.

Not to worry, Mr. Ostrich, the evidence is overwhelming and obvious and incontrovertible and it speaks for itself, no matter how much you want to ignore it.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Good find

and so quickly to boot! It was a 707 not a 747 (slaps back of own head.) It seems to me that the guy felt he designed a pretty sturdy building which only the act of demolition could bring them down...

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

True but look at the difference in size between a 747 and a 707

Plus 200 more MPH...

http://www.everythingpanam.com/images/707%20&%20747%20side%2...

I think the certain people in the CIA would do that what with Operation Northwoods, but don't think they evidence points to that. I wonder if the 9/11 culprits say this video and wondered what a 747 would do...

Ok, Let's turn this around

Why not ask those very same questions about all three buildings on 911. You will end up with many more questions.

buddy

fireant's picture

Quite the contrary.

Answers to those questions help explain their failure.

Undo what Wilson did

OK, Fireant

How much do you get paid to troll this site and plant disinformation. Come on fess up!

-Bloatedtoad

Go Ahead!!

Explain it.

buddy

Do you have some kind of warning system

where bells and whistles go off in your moms basement whenever a 911 post is added or commented on the DP? Fucking unbelievable is what you are!

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

sharkhearted's picture

LOL.

Hilarious!

I think this individual is a bit of a masochist of sorts. Every time he opens his uninformed, naive mouth and spews out some sort of unscientific or illogical nonsense (which is virtually every single one of his posts)...he gets duly punished. He seems to enjoy it, I dunno.

Not me. If I were him I would keep my mouth shut and actually learn from my errors and learn from the many people on here smarter than me.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

fireant's picture

TTR

Typical Truther Response. Avoid the issues and smear the messenger. Sad.

Undo what Wilson did

As head of 9-11 Dept of

As head of 9-11 Dept of Official Denier here for the DP, isn't that YOUR M.O.?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

sharkhearted's picture

POT....CALLING....KETTLE...BLACK

Also, I find it amusing that people like you use the term "Truther" as derogatory.

Everybody should strive to be a Truther...as finding the TRUTH is kind of important....especially in the case where there are about 3,000 unsolved murders.

So...if you are not a Truther, what does that make you, a "Lieser"??

Do you, like NIST and FEMA and the 9-11 Commission, and the Government care more about lies and cover-ups...or do you care about the TRUTH?

Truther and DAMN proud of it!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

TZD

Typical Zombie Denial

Ignore all evidence and deny clearly demonstrated empirical science, verified facts, and thousands of reliable testimonies of all kinds ... due to emotional and psychological mechanisms that give them a thick impenetrable skull.

Fireant, here is one of my

Fireant, here is one of my favorite WTC7 collapse videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

Assuming you are approaching this with an open mind and are not a paid government shill, this should at least start you on your journey of discovery.

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt

fireant's picture

That's the best you got?

Here, deal with facts. Building 7 twisted counter clockwise prior to starting down. That can only mean lower support folded, or buckled. If lower support were cut out with charges, the first movement would be straight down. Go to 1:35 here and put a mark on your screen at the northeast corner, then advance the tape. You can clearly see it moving to the east prior to dropping. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo&lc=UXcz699AQasQBQ...
Now ask yourself, why doesn't AE point this out? They are architects and engineers, no?

Undo what Wilson did

You make the simplest thing

You make the simplest thing seem complicated, like a lawyer with a guilty client. If you really want to convince me, it's simple: show me EVEN ONE other building that collapsed straight down at free fall speed without a controlled demolition.

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt

fireant's picture

Do you realize what that argument implies?

It means there is never a "first" for anything. Not to mention it is false to begin with. It was only the outer shell which fell so fast; the interior had already collapsed. It did not fall "straight down". It twisted, and broke apart, the west portion falling to the southeast, and the east portion falling to the northwest.
And, there are plenty of examples of steel framed structures collapsing due only to fire. Heat causes expansion, which causes welds to pop and causes steel girders to warp.

Undo what Wilson did

THREE BUILDINGS FELL EXACTLY THE SAME BASIC WAY

In ONE DAY.

Where are the examples of buildings that symmetrically fell into their own footprint from fire (AND impact for that matter)?

Bring them. Link to credible historical, scientific, and preferably visual or video records.

You are intelligent enough to form well formed sentences.

Apparently you can also read at a fairly high level.

And I assume you are not so ADD that you can't finish documentaries all the way through.

Yet you are still apparently an idiot.

Straight up man ... understanding people like you is a case study all of it's own.

I really find it fascinating to try and understand what mechanisms are going on in your head that, make you and people like you still unable to see what's obviously right in front of your face.

sharkhearted's picture

No effing kidding

Defies logic and reason.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

fireant's picture

None of the collapses were symmetrical.

If you are going to ask for such comparisons, find three buildings of similar design struck by 500 mph airliners and falling slabs of multi-ton steel. There aren't any.
But again, if you claim CD, show us where the charges were placed to make the buildings fall as they did, and back it up with structural evidence. The burden of proof is yours.

Undo what Wilson did

sharkhearted's picture

Bullsh*t again.

These were about as symmetrical collapses as any explosives ordnance expert could ever orchestrate.

And, as usual, and unforgivably so, you are talking out of your ass...and its not pretty.

(Gross).

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

If it fell it would be one thing

But melted steel, pulverized concrete and free fall collapse? I mean, I'm open-minded to ideas and I'm certainly not an architect and/or engineer but that just doesn't seem right.

fireant's picture

If you think in terms of traditional box frame steel structures,

no, it would not make sense. None of the three towers were of such design. They were all what is termed "large span". The Twin Towers esp were essentially hollow tubes, and the floors below impact were pre-weakened, offering very little resistance to the mountains of churning steel pouring down.
Pulverized concrete is no mystery. It was 4 inches of lightweight spec concrete per floor, spanning 60 feet in two directions and 30 feet in the other two directions. They broke and got ground up with the churning steel. Spandrel connections all confirm floor trusses were torn from the walls and core in a downward motion. Floor trusses were turned into spaghetti. Floors were weakened ahead of the collapse line due to shock and splaying of the core columns.
No temperature measurements I'm aware of were hot enough to melt steel. Steel will, of course, lose strength, buckle, and warp at much lower temps than what is required to melt it.

Undo what Wilson did

sharkhearted's picture

"mountains of churning steel pouring down"

To quote fire ant: "offering very little resistance to the mountains of churning steel pouring down."

HUH??

WHA???

Do you really think this would stand against the REAL experts (unlike you you fucking FAKE)?

No, it wouldnt. You would crash and burn. And justifiably so.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

TCR

Typical Collectivist Response. Stereotype and smear. Sad

As I told you in another thread, there was a time when I thought you were sincere, but you show otherwise with these kind of collectivist jabs here that simply aim to marginalize "truthers".

SBB

Stupid Basement Boy. Forever unwilling to look at what the eyes and ears tell him. Ignorant.

*this site is loaded with videos where you can see demolition charges going off,hear the explosive charges and eyewitnesses stating they heard explosions.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

fireant's picture

I'm willing to bet I've done far more research than you ever

thought of. What I found is AETruth is full of lies, misrepresentations, and false comparisons. We will never get a new investigation based on CD. In fact, CD will prevent us from ever getting one. Bones don't lie, and all structural evidence clearly confirms structural failure.

Undo what Wilson did

Yeah bones don't lie

especially the fragments found a decade later hundreds of feet away on rooftops from the "pancaked buildings".

http://ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/596-wtc-bo...

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

fireant's picture

Why don't you explain it?

Are you suggesting explosions account for it? Ok, show us where the bombs were placed, then show us the structural evidence to support it. If you are making the CD claim, the burden of proof is yours.

Undo what Wilson did

So tell us ....

OK - AETruth is all "lies misrepresentations and false comparisons". In the absense of you saying why you think this, then your statement is simple abuse.

But let's ignore that. Your explanation please of how all three buildings fell - break-neck speed, into their own footprints, the only 3 steel built buildings in history to do so (without demolition charges). I would be interested - or, more aptly, I could do with a good belly laugh.