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Rand Paul will "hijack the pro-Israel GOP"

Say what?

How is it a person can be accused of being anti-Israel simply because they want to cut aid to foreign nations to help fix the desperate economic situation this country is in? What possible merit could these accusations have?

Rand Paul: 'Portraying me as being against Israel...is as nonfactual as it is offensive'

Matt Welch | Reason | Nov. 19, 2012 11:18 am

There's an interesting back-and-forth over at Commentary magazine between Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) and Jonathan S. Tobin over whether the libertarian-minded Tea Party senator will (in the formulation of Tobin's original headline) "hijack the pro-Israel GOP." I think Paul gets the better of what is an important argument; you be the judge.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/19/rand-paul-portraying-me-as...



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DOH!

I broke my own anti-reason-click rule and clicked over there to see the segment only to read: "his absurd rationalizations of rogue regimes, such as Iran, or his belief that American imperialism helped generate anti-American terrorism...." The %*&^)(*& idiot Matt Welch was at it again insulting the one guy who has mobilized more minds to the cause of libertarian values than any other living being on the planet. What has Welch done for the cause except sit in his little comfortable Reason/CATO ivory tower and sing to his own choir about his own warped perceptions of libertarian Utopia. Meanwhile, our hero has been on a non-stop tour promoting the philosphy to people to people of all persuasions. These libertarian purists over at Reason are warmongers and they can stick it.

That wasn't Matt

The words that set you off weren't Matt Welch's. He was summarizing the debate at Commentary magazine and quoting Israel-Firster Jonathan Tobin. Deep breaths.

Rand Paul 2016

that man needs to be our president, not because of Israel but because of everything together.

HELL TO THE NO!!!!!

He's already PROVEN himself a liar: you either support/endorse Constitutional Liberty... or you support/endorse the leftist republican party. To claim BOTH as family, is a LIE. He's also suggesting amnesty (although he will NEVER say "amnesty" (another lie) for millions of criminal illegal aliens who are killing, raping, home-invading, child molesting and hit-n-running over THOUSANDS. ON TOP OF poaching millions of jobs in an around 20% unemployment rate. ON TOP OF wrenching our culture/language... TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR ETHNOCENTRIC DESIRES!!!!!!!!!!

No, as a Constitutional Libertarian, I will NEVER, EVER, EVER support/vote for Rand "playin' the game" Paul.

Just a GROTESQUE sampling of the results of our republican/democrat perpetual amnesty (non-enforcement) = TREASON!:
http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/dave-...

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

you really think there are

you really think there are Millions of criminal immigrants?...maybe millions of immigrants but not millions of criminal immigrants.

The only reasons I see as to why people hate illegal immigrants so bad is they don't pay taxes and "steal" jobs. Hell, they still pay sales tax. They steal, just like we do (taxes), they make gangs, just like we do (repuclicans, democrats), they talk funny, just like us (rednecks). To be American is to be an immigrant. Do they not have the right to come over here and work and get paid for it? It's not their fault we made so many rules against ourselves.

If you're such a Constitutional Libertarian show me where it says all Americans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Good luck. Cause I'm pretty sure it says all men.

Quit hating on the immigrants. And Rand.

If ignorance is bliss, Washington DC must be heaven.

...

Do you ever sleep? Do you just troll the Daily Paul at all hours waiting for Rand comments?

Seriously, spend some of that time on Amazon and order yourself a new keyboard with a working shift key.

And btw I noticed you're speaking English instead of Cherokee. Hypocrite.

Eric Hoffer

HOW TO SPOT LIBERTY MOVEMENT REPUBLICAN CO-OPTERS...

ALINSKY RULES FOR RADICALS #5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

ALINSKY RULES FOR RADICALS #12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.

I've become somewhat of an expert on when, how and why these rules are applied... having defended Ron Paul for close to a year on republican sites. Comments will typically include "momma's basement" or "tinfoil hat" or "troll."

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

somehow i knew i'd find you here

. thanks for keepin up the fight.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

You are spot on Brother

You are spot on Brother Winston. The neocon trolls are attempting to control the content on DP by attacking anyone and everyone that do not support the neocon agenda.

Uh...

Are you claiming your most potent weapon is the shift key?

Your defense is pretty pathetic man, it usually consists of being divisive and annoying with emotional outbursts on any thread involving Rand. With so many of us having been here for 5 years or so, I'm fairly unimpressed by your year of "service" to the cause.

The problem is that it's hard to not call you a troll, as you are in fact trolling. As best as I can tell, deliberately attempting to cause angst to an online community by being obtuse and annoying. Whenever you get called on anything, you immediately refer to Alinsky's rules, or Neocons, or some other sort of thing to distract from what's being said by way of trying to associate your detractor with some sort of enemy.

It's absurd, obvious, and annoying to all involved in the discussion.

Thanks for getting a new keyboard! We all appreciate it! Shift usage approved!

Eric Hoffer

Oh great....

ANOTHER Rand will do this or that article/post... How about we judge him by his actions and in-actions...

Like...

Incessantly bashing democrats... while campaigning for republicans... WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Turning your back on your father and Constitutional Liberty to ENDORSE A LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE, CHICKENHAWKING, CONSTITUTION-SHREDDING JACKHOLE, on the ANTI-Ron Paul, DISGUSTINGLY FAKE-conservative Sean Hannity show?

Suggesting a pathway to citizenship for LAW-BREAKING, ETHNOCENTRIC ILLEGAL ALIEN SQUATTERS (with additional crimes that have given America corpse-piles that block the sun) - all to give the leftist republican party a percentage 2014/2016 bump (THAT WOULD NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPEN ANYWAY)?

Campaigning for the leftist republican party elites, thus LENDING CREDIBILITY TO THEM by FALSELY ATTACHING the Liberty Movement AND the Tea Party to them? And thus FURTHER SHOVING OUT third parties from public consideration?

Brother Winston Smith

The r3VOLution is NOT republiCAN.

The only way...

...Rand Paul could hijack the pro-Israel GOP is if the support-Israel-no-matter-what-they-do-and-we'll-be-blessed Dispensationalists, who make up a very large voting bloc in the GOP, actually decide to pray for discernment and read their Bible instead of the "Left Behind" books.

There's always hope, as I used to be one of them :-)

you can portray me as anti-Israel,

I am anti-anything where the re-integration of church and state causes mass genocide and oppression.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

You

obviously meant Israeli Arabs who are 25%+ of Israeli population and represented in Israeli Congress by their two political Arab parties. Or may be you want to pinpoint the fact that border between Gaza and Egypt is NOT controlled by Israel.

Treating your own citizen as 2nd class is anti-liberty

since your nickname is Liberty first, i thought you may want to know that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odqK6hm8wpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlbZXfzF0hM

2nd class? WTF are you

2nd class? WTF are you talking about? What did Liberty First say to make you think he's treating his fellow American as a 2nd class He made a good point that most people don't know.

What's wrong with that?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

She was pointing out abt Arab Israelis...

I was showing and giving her links that Arab Israelis are considered 2nd class citizen. :-)

Whichever religion is the main religion in Israel

is likely to be the one violating everyone's rights...

arabic is not a religion

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

True

Sharia Law is a great example. Another, many Christian countries that did not allow Jewish busnesses to be open on Sundays.

Yep.

there is Jewish, Christian, and Islamic fascism.. they each say they come from different cloth but to me they all have the same agenda, Power.

When it comes to the Jews I can only pray that the orthodoxy Jews overcome the last 100 years of reform/z10nist Jews trying to turn that religion into a world empire.

Though what I found most Ironic about this whole NWO thing is the Christian fascists are all about support for Israel and the Jewish mafia, but the Jewish mob will go out of its way to mock Christianity... its kind of odd really

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.

You Make Some Good Points

Measured, rather than disproportionate response, is most effective. Especially if peace and understanding is the objective.

RP Supporters

are mostly confused.

Yes, pro-Israel GOP is supported by USA Christian religious "right" and conservative Jewish lobby. On the other hand, those who want USA to be not "pro-Israel" (and make it the very important piece of foreign policy) want destruction of Israel. If they (like RP himself) were arguing about cutting foreign aid to ALL, including European banks, few would object (then Israel would be actually stronger, UK, Spain and France weaker.)

RP himself said that regardless of GOP and DEM, USA foreign policies stay the same. Intellectual midgets confuse $3.5B bribe to Israel (or compenation for not trading with Russia and China) as something that Israel cannot live without.

But hatred to Israel blinds many. They do not understand that USA plays both hands - it allows Israel to defend itself, but never to achieve a long-lasting victory. In 1953 USA forced Israel to withdrew from Suetz canal, allowed only 6 days to fight the war of 1967, then forced to give up Sinai, then "peace for land", then Bush's "road map" shackles, then no fly over Iraq, etc.

But at DP chats, collectivist thumb downs bring warm fuzzy feeling of being right.

A little revisionist...

...history there.

I think you've got it backwards -- it's the Israeli Gov't that runs the U.S., not the other way around.

As another poster said, the hatred is not for the citizens of Israel but for its leaders like Bibi, who before Congress makes a very nice speech about not needing our money and then doing his part to ensure that the only candidate who actually wants to cut off our money to Israel (Ron Paul) doesn't win the nomination.

Not to mention the blowback to U.S. citizens and the unnecessary deaths of American soldiers fighting for a foreign government that refuses to even define its nation's borders like every other nation does.

If the Israeli Gov't would stop taking our money and influencing our elections, I think you'll see the hatred by Americans go away quickly.

However, Kissinger saved

However, Kissinger saved Israel in 1973, so it works both ways.

I'm curious...

Have you ever considered the possibility that the reason why there is so much anti-Israel sentiment is because with the exception of a handful of isolated individuals, most so-called Jewish "right" and "left" lobbists have been extremely obnoxious in dealing with people questioning their methods and practices.

Also, quite whining about getting thumbed down. I've been following your posts for a while and you scarcely ever say anything constructive on any topic that you're in.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Why lie?

If you followed me for long and did not see anything constructive, what to be curious about? You have failed your own "constructive" logic. And thank you for deciding to parrot my line about whining.

If you look at US voting record at UN...

you would see a large change in our country foreign policy pre-cold war and post cold war.

1. Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, our voting records in term of of Israel-Palestine issue has been BIASED and ONE SIDED.

2. Why you asked? It is simply because in America post cold war, the Zionist has hijacked BOTH parties. Previously ppl such as Ari Fleischer,Bill Kristol and his dad were considered LEFTIST communist.

3. Today, Bill Kristol appear time and again on so called "conservative" news channel, Fox News.

4. These people ARE Neocons/Zionist. If both your hands are tied (Dem n Rep), how are you go to fist fight?

Your

populist answer is popular, because it is simple and fits brains of your size. Popular average size.

If you believe that god works in mysterious ways, you can believe that "Zionists" force USA voters to vote in particular ways, prevent non-Jews to become rich and donate to their politicians and that Jews were the only ones who decided to re-elect Obama.

Why do you bring that NWO order tool, UN? When populists argue against NWO, people like you mean also Zionists. But UN is hostile to Zionists.

Now back to answer your 1-4. USA keeps Israel dependable, but an "ally" in order to harvest its technologies. After Jews created nuclear bombs for USA and Russia, Pentagon understand that Jews can be used if kept dependable. USA gov central planners also understand that people of average (popular) brain size, EU Fabians and USA affirmative-action recipients do not invent much.

Zionist did not force Americans to do anything

1. The Jews living in America are LEFTIST/Democrats and have always been that way for a very long time.Yeah majority of Jews overwhelmingly voted Obama although Netanyahu despise Obama. So what?

2. It was only AFTER the fall of Soviet that some of them join ad took over the Republican party as well.

3. When we talk about Zionist influence in US politics, we are talking about the $$$$ poured into the election by them, not votes.

4. When you see Obama or Biden or Romney goes to Tel Aviv, they are not trying to appease the Jewish voters. They are trying to appease the Zionist bankers/donors

5. I am not anti-Jew, I am anti-Zionism and its choke hold on our political and financial life. I think UN is bad for America but I dont think it is NWO. NWO, bill goldberg, vatican, UFO is a diversion created by goons like Alex Jones