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"Retailers Have Basically Ruined Every Holiday"

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — Say goodbye to Thanksgiving — and Black Friday while you’re at it. Retailers are wrecking holiday time for shoppers and shop workers alike.

This year will see an unprecedented move by the big boys of retail to open their stores earlier than ever on Thanksgiving Day, putting pressure on the traditions — from indulging in an oversize dinner to loafing around watching football — that many families hold sacred.

They do it for the simple reason that, well, they can. It follows that adage from “Field of Dreams” that if you build it, they will come. If you open the store earlier, they will shop.

We’ve seen the creep into Thanksgiving Day grow more aggressive each year but never getting this close to family time. Bold steps have been taken over the last three to five years as retailers first encroached on the day with online teasers for midnight Black Friday sales at the bricks-and-mortar stores to online sales during Thanksgiving Day to just opening the stores while many are still just getting to the turkey.

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The whole concept of Black Friday is a fine example of the free market at work. People want to shop that day and stores want to sell a lot of merchandise and will offer all kinds of incentives to get consumers out to shop at their place. No government intervention needed. No subsidies are needed to get the customer to come out, just whatever each store is willing to do to get people to their place instead of the competition. Black Friday is a free market supporter's dream come true. Proof of free markets at work.

Stay home if you like. Personally, I like getting my Christmas shopping and other major purchases done in one night and we save more money than we would at any other time of the year. Best of all, if I'm going to stand outside a store for a few hours, I wear my Ron Paul hoodie and then I've usually got a captive audience to talk about free markets, libertarian ideals, etc. for a few hours.



The free market will win every time.

who is to blame more, the druggie or the dealer???

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The retailers are fighting

The retailers are fighting for survival. We can pretty much expect them to do whatever they can for every single last penny. If they don't then another will come along that will.

It's up to us to change our ways. We cannot expect them to change their retail ways, at least not until they have no choice.


I've always seen that as a way to get the people to

break away from all spiriutal relevence of every holy day they hold.

Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving, being the predominent ones that come to mind. Easter bunny and egg hunts, instead of focusing on the Ressurection of the Christ; Santa Claus and lots of expensive presents, instead of the miracle of Christ's birth; and gathering around the tv watching football, instead of sitting around the table giving thanks to the Almighty for every blessing in our lives.

Just my take on it for many, many years of watching the progression away from faith and towards commerce and new priorities.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Uh, don't go shopping.

Never went out on the notorious Black Friday and certainly won't go out on Thanksgiving Day. There is no "sale" worth that materialistic nightmare.

Sales will continue before and after those days...what in the world is the big deal? Just stay home.

I feel sorry for the people who have to work...

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Maybe it is not all voluntary

The problem is that this may be not all voluntary. I have no problem if store want to be open on a major holiday. The problem is when the workers who want and need time home with loved ones are forced to work. It is different if the businesses offered overtime etc for the folks who would prefer to work.


It's Retail

they always work holidays. don't like it get a different job

That's what Scrooge would

That's what Scrooge would say.


people are fully aware of the conditions of employment

when they start. If you work retail you have to expect to work holidays. People make choices then want to cry about them after the fact. Wah Wah, grow up and make better choices that you will like!

And Scrooge would be correct.

Are you saying you have no control

on whether you keep your traditions or not. I really don't care what the rest of the country does on holidays. If they want to go shopping with large numbers of people to save a few dollars that is their business. I choose to do what I've always done with family and friends. Why does the actions of others that have no effect on you bother you? Are you a closet totalitarian? Do you have a "my way is the only way" mentallity and wish to berate others into compliance?

Businesses do not have a

Businesses do not have a responsibility to maintain national traditions. You and I have that responsibility, and we have bumbled it up spectacularily.

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Specific cuts; defense spending:

keep your "WE" to yourself

I still follow my traditions

Good for you

but then wouldn't that mean that Dr. No wasn't referring to you, only the 'we' that participates?

'We' doesn't mean 'everyone'.

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I mean the collective "we" as

I mean the collective "we" as a society. How much every individual bears for that burden is for that individual to decide and suffer the consequences of.

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Specific cuts; defense spending:

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Does anyone even participate?

I agree with a lot of the posters that it's the consumer demand that drives it, not some crime by the stores. If nobody shows than there is no event.

I know they'll show the crowds on TV, but I don't know anybody who really participates in this garbage. And I'm guessing if you are half smart and at least a little discriminating towards who you hang out with, you probably don't know many people either.

We probably don't really need four 24-7 MSM news networks going ballistic over this stuff... but we have them.

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football


is a mental disorder.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Or psychological manipulation of peoples unconscious minds...

The introduction says it all.

But it's pretty long really good documentary and series though...

Right on!

I work in advertising so I know all about that.

I confess I don't have time to watch that video right now but I have read a lot of material on it and have myself undergone a deep awakening from the self/ego. It was kinda scary at first but shedding fear all together is a great place to arrive to.

Amazing that mental conditioning is something that comes up in conversation more and more these days as people become more aware of themselves.

Thanks for the link!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

National holidays

If a concept can be ruined by people offering goods for sale at bargain prices, then maybe it was not that great a concept.

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Merry Thanksgivoween!

Most of those who think so actually don't and most people who think sew actually rip.

Let them open their doors whenever they want

and all the Black Friday shoppers can trample each other to death for all I care.

It's black and white, celebrate a day of thanks and then immediately go on a spending spree and physical rampage buying crap. So uncivilized.

No thanks. I'd rather spend that Friday enjoying more family time and the previous day's leftovers!


I dont know...

I see it more as the retailers fulfilling a demand by consumers. If no-one wanted to be at the store at 3 a.m., then the store would open its doors at 3...look around and see nobody, and then say "well, we will not do that again." end of story. Instead, they see a sea of people ready to rip each other's heads off to get a $100 laptop.Honestly, the way the hordes of people mob these places, I wonder why Retailers dont just stay open from the previous Thursday through the following Saturday.

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It's not the fault of "consumerism" or any other ism, it's people.

I don't celebrate holidays.

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maybe we ruin it by buying

maybe we ruin it by buying into their bullshit.

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Agreed. They are just

responding to demand.

It's a testament to the decay of family tradition in this country.