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I got robbed this morning

Well I got robbed today, only for $2, I had $200 but they only wanted $2. They told me they are going to give it to advertisement firms to help bring more people to this area. A noble cause I guess, probably not where I would have spent the money.

If you haven't guessed by now, I paid my taxes for the 3 days my brand new business was open for last month. Still, lets think about this for a minute. I own the property my business is on and I purchased the starting equipment all with my own money, and all of the product I sell, all without a loan from anyone. I have put about $65,000 into starting this business without anyones help. Somehow they still feel they have a right to take money from me on a monthly basis. Their claim is that I am collecting the taxes from others for them. I however, advertise that all my items have no tax and everything ends on the dollar. So if something says $3 that's exactly what it is.

Still if I don't pay they will argue that I am actually charging $2.89 before tax and if that didn't work they would still hold the gun to my head.

Sigh, tonight I will be robbed of another $18. This extortion needs to be stopped. You would think after starting my own business I would feel great paying taxes because it kinda shows I am legit and recognized, but it didn't. It felt like a punch in the stomach. Being forced to do something I didn't want to do.

I did have an idea though, how would everyone feel about elective taxes. Tax rates are 0 but you can donate as much as you want, or 0 if you want, to different areas of government that need funds. Government can sign up with businesses to offer bonuses and promotions in exchange for donations. This should also open up the need for government to have active advertisement of businesses and advertisement for donations, bringing most likely more revenue in than a failing economy with standard taxes. Any thoughts?




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Oh, I thought they were using extortion to fund free abortions.

Oh wait, they are collecting the tax for that too.

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I believe that AK, NH, DE,

I believe that AK, NH, DE, MT, OR have no state sales tax. What kind of business are you in?

Alaska in fact has a very

Alaska in fact has a very high tax. They just take it from property owners and oil companies. More than 25% of all income generated in Alaska goes straight to the Alaskan state government and local government.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

work under the table..

go underground. Disobey with whatever works.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
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Who built the roads that your customers drive on to get to your

business? You? Did you build those, too? The sidewalks? Did you pave them? How about the streetlights that light their way at night? How about the fire department, which will come in the even there is a fire, or one of your customers has a heart attack on your premises?

Robbed? Hardly.

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Government sure didn't.

Government sure didn't. They may have hired private companies and contractors to build them.
And they did it with money taken from the private sector and private workers.
So private sector businesses and workers both built them and paid for them.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.-Ron Paul
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You are a Statist Sycophant...

and an unabashed socialist.

Offense definitely intended.

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shouldn't the question be

who gave up their land so we could travel freely on them?
roads and the upkeep of them,is paid from the tax on gas
and diesel
and the same thing can be said about the fire dpt,cops
street lights are part of the fund paid to the county.city
also from taxes
so yes anything beyond that is theft,no matter which way it is sliced
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

He built them

as did I.

If taxfeeders offered a

If taxfeeders offered a useful service or product then they wouldn't have to force you under threat of violence, up to death, to pay for it.

Tell them...

you'll pay them taxes when you're able to fire them for poor job performance...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Maybe charge them for doing their job

Why are you working for the government for free? If they want to hire you to be a tax collector then send them a bill for your time.

This was my first thought as

This was my first thought as i have heard of others doing it haha but it turns out, they actually do pay 2% of collected upto $1000 back for collecting for them. However I believe they need to do their own dirty work. I feel if they want taxes they need to do it right, knock on every citizens door and collect it via threats of being arrested like in the olden days lol

I actually told them I will

I actually told them I will not "collect taxes" for them, I would however pay the taxes just the same, but they are robbing just me and not the public. I want to be a public official myself so I'm trying to learn everything I can right now and stay on the side of light through this fight.

You do not want to hear this

You do not want to hear this but from experience I have found that being an entrepreneur and running a business is HELL right now. ESPECIALLY if you take any credit cards at all. I am actually believing that this administration wants all small businesses closed, period. Look even what happened to Gibson..and legal Pot distributors and health food stores. They are after you, I swear.

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you are right

they want all jobs gone or in the hands of the few
and by few i mean(the chosen),that way they own it all
and control it all
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

I am actually doing pretty

I am actually doing pretty well, and my taxes are 10% after state, city, county. I'm really looking for solutions to taxation though, something I can pitch to the city or state. I designed this shop to be able to survive even a dollar crash, which is another reason I bought the building. Provided they don't annex my shop for government use I can always find some business to run out of it.

Also that 10% could be wages or expansion, saved up even another business, which is why I'm against taxation, it's literally removing jobs that could otherwise be there. Donations should come from private citizens not from the business sector.

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"You didn't build that"

comes to mind. You are working for a pack of parasites. They multiply like rabbits

Haha that's just my point, I

Haha that's just my point, I did build that. I want Obama to watch "I, Pencil" and apply it to the government. That way i can remind him, "he didn't build that"

So you built the roads? You

So you built the roads? You built the police force that defends your property? You built the legal system that protects what you own and prevents your shop from getting looted? Etc. etc.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

You don't need government for

You don't need government for either. A private developer can subcontract a road construction crew to build roads throughout the sections of land that he is developing. He can recoup that cost when he goes to sell the land to individual owners and investors who turn the individual parcels into commercial, industrial, and residential structures and communities. The road out in front of my house wasn't put there by the government, it was put there by a home builder who thought that his homes might sell for more if he put in a way for people to get cars to their houses.

As far as police...sorry, but they are entirely unnecessary. Seriously! Entirely unnecessary! People can carry guns and then if they encounter someone breaking into their property, they can shoot them dead. If they aren't there and someone breaks into their property, they ought to have insurance or at least be comfortable with the risk of not having insurance in such a case. Alarm companies often have guards that respond to their clients' alarms. Now, as a business owner, he would then have a choice of which alarm company he wants, whether it be one that does armed response, or if he lives close enough to his business, he might just want the alarm forwarded to his cell phone so he can respond and shoot the bastard.

The free market will always create solutions.

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the homebuilder goes away

yes, they put the road in to your house, but then they leave and who maintains the road? You don't need THE government but you need something. Your neighbors can all pitch in for instance, but that is just smaller government. And what happens when that road becomes a thoroughfare between towns and the place grows up? Then how many neighbors can you get to pitch in for the increased maintenance? Or perhaps you will turn it into a toll road which will reduce traffic to your business.

The tragedy of the commons comes to mind now. Have fun!

"You don't need government

"You don't need government for either."

That isn't the point. The idea is that government put those things there, and you are taking advantage of it. The example of your house nonwithstanding, businesses definitely use many public entities, and those things should not be free.

"People can carry guns and then if they encounter someone breaking into their property, they can shoot them dead."

What if a mob attacks your house?

"If they aren't there and someone breaks into their property, they ought to have insurance or at least be comfortable with the risk of not having insurance in such a case."

What if you get insurance, and then they refuse to pay? There is no government court to go to. What if you take them to a private court, and because of their power they simply outspend you and you lose?

"The free market will always create solutions."

Whenver I hear this, I always wonder...do these people ever think that maybe government IS the free-market solution to this problem? That the market decided, after years of living in anarchy, that the best way to have prosperity is to force everyone to obey a certain set of laws? The concept of natural rights, property rights, federalism, etc.?

And that maybe, MAYBE, what has happened to this country in the past 100 (or 30, depend on your view), is simply the free market again? It is simply the smartest, best, strongest in the Darwinian sense people figuring out that they can use the tool of "government" to further their own power?

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

People created government

People created government here in the US for the following reasons:

in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

Anything else is an over-reach of the government. You are asserting that he is paying for existing roads, then fine. In that case, transfer the debt to a debt servicing company and he can pay them until the road is paid for. Ongoing maintenance can be contracted out.

As far as a mob attack, the answer is more bullets, a voluntary block watch, etc. I'm sure you can come up with a better reason for needing a police force than that. Mobs can overwhelm police as well, if you don't believe me, watch some Spain protests on YouTube.

Insurance refusing to pay? Well, I suspect that he won't keep that company and will find a more reputable company to do business with. Still not a valid reason for requiring a police force.

Bottom line, there is few things that the government can provide that the free market can't. Even justice can to some extent be codified into social justice laws. Imagine how civil we would be towards each other if it was coded into law that you are allowed to punch someone for being a nuisance, groping your wife or even saying something derogatory towards you? When dueling was outlawed, a good portion of civility went with it.

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"in order to form a more

"in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity"

What about the rest of the Constitution? Hell, if even just the preamble applies, doesn't "general welfare" and "domestic tranquility" apply broadly? I guess you are OK with the constitutionality of the Patriot Act! It is being done in the interests of all those things!

Also, what about his state government, and his state's constitution?

"Insurance refusing to pay? Well, I suspect that he won't keep that company and will find a more reputable company to do business with."

But he still loses the money he invested in the first place.

See, you say "if the insurance company frauds him, he will just find another place". That is how man works in your opinion. I think that as this happens on a larger scale, people will gravitate to a government, which can then use "force" to make these companies pay.

"Bottom line, there is few things that the government can provide that the free market can't."

The free market can provide anything and everything. "Government" is just a production of the free market.

"Even justice can to some extent be codified into social justice laws"

And laws are somehow not part of government?

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Haha you caught my "i did build that"

Technically your right, but in both ways Obama is in the wrong, if we look at it as we cant start up without government assistance then obama is wrong, and if our actions are due to the butterfly effect of millions then both me and Obama are wrong, either way Obama has no idea wth he is talking about.

Consider though that without my willingness to create there would be no icecream in this town. Hence, no matter how much work others did to the roads or writing laws, taxation and implementation, farmers milking cows and making cream or the butter, no mark would have been made without my willingness and resources to purchase the byproduct of others production value to distribute the end result.

That's not to say others can't do what I did, I hope they do, competition is healthy are required in a free market, competition creates productivity. Those competing must always strive to be better than the other. End result is lower prices, higher quality, cleaner atmosphere. In a healthy society you shouldnt need regulations, regulations = businesses doing the very least to comply, competition = businesses do the very best to survive.

"Consider though that without

"Consider though that without my willingness to create there would be no icecream in this town. Hence, no matter how much work others did to the roads or writing laws, taxation and implementation, farmers milking cows and making cream or the butter, no mark would have been made without my willingness and resources to purchase the byproduct of others production value to distribute the end result."

Consider it from the other side. Without the work others did to make roads or write laws, defend your property, tax and implement a civil society, without farmers milking cows and making cream, all the willingness to create ice cream would not help.

"That's not to say others can't do what I did, I hope they do, competition is healthy are required in a free market, competition creates productivity."

Competition creates wealth, I'd say.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

I would disagree on all your

I would disagree on all your points, icecream is a product that can be made by one person or family and is often done so, even without the use of conventional appliances. People still travelled without roads, and it's easy enough to defend my property myself while doing my job. My current store was chosen for this exact reason, I can still supply icecream to a broken town, even if the dollar fails, obviously not in as large of quantity.

I up voted because I enjoy a good debate haha but I still think my job requires no intervention from any outside source to run. While currency is created by the same society that upholds the written laws, a batter system is just as sufficient.

Shout out to God also for

Shout out to God also for making this possible, sorry I forgot to mention it, really appreciate it. :)