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Thanksgiving for the (actual) "crazy Ron Paul people"

I frequently read comments on the Daily Paul regarding the apparent infiltration of the Liberty Movement and DP by various fringe elements, the so-called "new age" folks. Being an honest and informed citizen, I know how it feels to be part of the fringe, so please read no implied judgment in the use of the word "fringe."

Most readers need no further explanation to conjure up the image of the fringe people under consideration. They are the folks who believe in planet Niburu (with respect to Mr. Nystrom's rules, I will not check the spelling of the planet's name). Some of them believe that lizard people walk among us (I have to admit that when I see Ed Schultz on MSNBC or Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, I find myself considering the plausibility of their theory; have you ever really looked good and hard into the eyes of those guys?).

Other members of that fringe have ideas about “bigger picture” changes afoot, or they spend time trying to connect the dots asking “what does it all mean?” like caricatures of stoners. Some of them will probably comment that certain mind-altering substances help human beings to perceive the world in a way that our mind typically does not permit (by the way, I would agree, since that is what it means to take a “mind-altering” substance). They also populate the ranks of the former and current hippies, the anarchists and the everyday libertarians who believe that people must and will change for the better. Admittedly, I align myself philosophically with this fringe in the sense that I believe any chance of the Liberty Movement succeeding requires a sea change in the attitudes and behavior of people: humanity needs a moral compass, and this is not a change that can be effected through the political process.

So why are there so many of these "new agers" attaching themselves to the Liberty Movement? Why are there so many folks who wake up to liberty and eventually move to the new age fringe? Like many of you, I ended up here because I naturally pursue truth. I try to embrace truth when it challenges my previous beliefs, even beliefs long held. I try to seek truth in the shadows when those with the spotlight would divert my eyes to falsehoods. I don’t accept authority that is founded on anything other than truth. I rebelled against teachers when I thought they were wrong, nuns when I thought they misunderstood the true message of their religion and occasionally peer pressure when I thought my peers wrong.

For anyone else out there like me whose journey has taken them here, we have seen the manner in which institutional structures have pulled the proverbial wool over our eyes for a lifetime. Worse, we see the desperation with which many of our friends try to avoid removing the wool from their eyes (perhaps because deep in the core of their subconscious they fear the changes that come from accepting the truth).

In an apparent paradox for someone like me who believes in the pursuit of objective truth whenever possible, I have come to the conclusion that virtually anything is possible. Throughout history, daring to go out on a limb for the truth has been a perilous endeavor. The non-fringe did not take kindly to the fringe that thought that the world was round, that all humans are endowed with rights, that doctors should wash their hands between medical procedures, that sleep was something other than the process of returning blood from the feet to the brain (these last two are actually true, believe it or not; perhaps we should start a thread of incredibly irrational ideas that institutions and societies clung to at the peril of those who challenged the ideas).

After discovering that the foundation of my American experience is a steaming pile of lies and deceit, how can I accept that anything is outside the realm of possibility just because it is not a widely accepted theory? Planet X colliding with earth? I hope not. Lizard people among us? Probably not ready to accept it, but that is different than ruling it out. Age of Aquarius ringing in a change for the better in all of humanity? I could live with that (and I could use some of what you’re smoking, provided that there are no agents of former admitted drug using presidents watching!).

So, from one man to all of the fringe types, thank you for your thoughts and your involvement. You have enriched my life over the past year. Many call you crazy. Some of you probably are crazy, but so are most geniuses who live with the unfortunate burden of being ahead of their time.

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As long as the pursuit is truth,

being open to other ideas is good until we find an idea is false. Once that has occurred, we should seek to convince others in a rational way of the truth and move on, not believe in whacked-out theories just because someone else in the Liberty movement may. My view is that those with us are usually thinkers and principled.

Remember, "It is not necessary that we all agree: it is necessary that we agree we should all be free."

Ill bring this up with my phone-a-psychic

tomorrow and update y'all

And Happy Paid day off of

And Happy Paid day off of work for those of us who don't celebrate holidays!

Happy GMO day

is more like it.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?

Happy Turkey Day!

To all the crazies, not so crazies, and to the totally batshit bonkers -- Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving from Canada!

Thanks to the DP and all its members for creating a great environment for Liberty Lovers of the World!

"As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them."— John F. Kennedy

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Happy Thanksgiving!

"Listen here Mean Gene. It's goin' down in Turkey Town!"
-Jesse Ventura


"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."


There is no duration defined in the Oath


Remember Survivor Series? Talk about bringing me back to Thanksgiving as a kid.

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Randy Moss vs Cowboys Thanksgiving '98

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Watching the Vikings on an old VHS tape, Thanksgiving tradition.

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."


There is no duration defined in the Oath

Happy Thanksgiving from Thoreau

"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived."

"If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away."

I am part of the Liberty Movement and DEFINITELY fringical.

I believe in God - but not the traditional God of the Bible.

Mine is based much more on quantum mechanics and is somewhat similar (kinda sorta) to some forms of Buddhism. I believe in a Collective Consciousness and that prayer/deep meditation can allow us to reach higher levels

The Liberty movement does seem to attract some whacky people and some very intelligent people.

I have an extremely high IQ as measured by the CTMM (its NOT an internet test), but I am sure there are plenty of people here who are brighter than I am. Maybe not a lot of people more whacky than I am however.

This is why I love the new age crazies here

If you believe in the tenets of the Liberty Movement, competition of ideas for your mind is a major benefit. I think it's important, personally, to give every idea the benefit if serious consideration. Heck, I think even communism might work well for some very small groups of people if our social structures were entirely de-centralized. In some places, it already does work, though I say that with extreme caution because I, personally, can't imagine living free without a means to keep the fruits of my labor. I suppose families were set up to be run in a communist way.

Anyway, even the antithesis of the manner in which I want to interact with other humans could have some merit in certain circumstances. Why not be open to ideas and allow a forum for all ideas to reach as broad an audience as possible?

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

I wouldn't be so sure friend :)

There are more people like you "out there", such as myself, who resonate strongly with your spiritual awareness than you may realize. But you can feel it within as it grows. I believe we are approaching a time when Quantum Science bridges the "gaps" to Spiritual growth. Meditation (many different forms of it) has been a key to my exploration and expansion of Consciousness.

"We Are All _ _ _."


"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

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Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Long live the rEVOLution!

I'm not crazy. Everyone else

I'm not crazy. Everyone else is. I prefer to think of it from that standpoint.

Is a creative mind a blessing or a curse? The surety of the conspiratorial thought can only be exceeded by non-conspiratorial puritanical naivete.

My guess is that it is somewhere in between, our government exists in a wide berth of conspiracy, greed, and sheer ineptitude. There is no doubt that factions of all parties drive decisions in the never ending dance of power brokers. The only question is who is the winner.

While lizard people seem a bit far fetched to most, perhaps that is the only feasible explanation, hiding in plain sight. It seems more plausible than most of the other incredible explanations I have heard coming from Washington.

Happy Thanksgiving all. Take care of your own for no one else will.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I am so thankful for the people here! It was a rough couple days, but my son called late last night and apologized, so we are having a "prodigal son" Thanksgiving. May each and every one of you get as joyous a little miracle to bless your holiday!

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Great news!

Hearing that really made my day. I hope you and your family have the best Thanksgiving holiday of your lives.

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You Forgot

Hillary Clinton cackling madly about wanting to take out Iran. Snake in the grass. No, I wouldn't insult reptiles by associating them with the likes of her. Demon maybe? They look like lizards supposedly.


That one never gets old

Hopefully, that video is a Thanksgiving tradition in her house.

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I think the Crazy Fringe is PETA for protesting the Presidential Turkey Pardoning -- which is an absolute waste of time in itself. How did that tradition start anyway?

If you want to pardon something, pardon us all from ridiculous taxes and government control over our lives!

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Good essay, many people won't get it

First of all, this is an exquisitely written essay. I love reading complex, varied, well-formed sentences with textbook-correct grammar and usage, so I compliment you for that.

In any case, the worldview you seem to have established is very Bayesian. That is, you see the world probabilistically. Nothing is impossible, nothing is certain. You simply establish what you believe about the world, take in new knowledge, and adjust your beliefs accordingly, in a never-ending cycle. I consider this a superior paradigm.

And your comment about sleep being merely a process to return blood to the brain is *highly* intriguing to me. I have experimented with polyphasic sleep in the recent past, and have a deep interest in the mechanics involved. I would love to read the same sources as you to add this information to my knowledge bank.

"In any case, the worldview

"In any case, the worldview you seem to have established is very Bayesian. That is, you see the world probabilistically. Nothing is impossible, nothing is certain. "

I totally recognize myself in this, I know that I do this too*, but, even though I've been familiar with Bayesian material for a long time, somehow I never realized that I could describe my own approach to viewing the world as being Bayesian.

Thank you for that insight!

Labels are not everything, but I can finally ehm.. classify (excuse the pun ;)) my own approach to the world. :D

* Although I also use multiple world models (I think equal to what you call your knowledge bank) at the same time, next to each other.

Shortly put I have the 'generally accepted model' and the 'fringe model'.

Both receive the input (e.g. space news/events) and interpret the actions and consequences as seen through the eyes of that model.

The general accepted model places it into the Big Bang/NASA world. The fringe model places it in an Electric Universe/Plasma-cosmology model

Depending on who I'm talking too I can stay entirely within the standard accepted world view... or we can dive into the deep end towards the most 'fringe-y' topics you can find.

Both models have their own 'correctness' level depending on subject, but on overall correctness it's certainly not a given that the generally accepted model is the winner..

I really enjoy talking with or listening to people who have the same probabilistic approach. (E.g. I consider Henrik of Red Ice Radio such a person: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/nonsubscriber.php )

Happy Thanksgiving everyone

and yes I mean everyone! even any of the Romney folks who might still be hanging around wondering what happened. :-) And the crazy fringe? That goes without saying.

"Freedom brings people together"

The Worst President

So true.

At a Ron Paul Rally, I met a supporter was adamant that Abraham Lincoln was the worst president in history. Maybe he was, but telling that to the average American does nothing toward getting them on your side.

I think that's why Ron Paul was always reluctant to talk about 9/11 truthers etc. It just becomes a distraction from the real issues and weakens our credibility.

As for my fringe beliefs, I am convinced the Loch Ness monster exists -- for real.

how far down the rabbit hole would you like to go?

Tonight on Infowars Nightly News Charlotte Iserbyt describes in detail reading directly from source material how the US education system was directed to facilitate the orderly merging of the USA and the USSR ... this was in 1910. Everything you were taught in school is a lie.


Some other good sources on

Some other good sources on this are John Taylor Gatto - Underground History of American Schooling and other books (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/), Leipzig Connection by Paolo Lionni (you can read it here: http://www.sntp.net/education/leipzig_connection.htm) and the Peace Revolution podcast (http://peacerevolution.podomatic.com/), particularly the series The Ultimate History Lesson episodes 41 through 45.

I personally don't think it was all about USA/USSR joining so much as making people easily manipulable and the original Prussian idea to remove imagination and make mindless soldiers. It was also implemented in Japan and originated in the German area (Prussia). Your title is a good question - it's fun to make connections and learn the interesting history we have inherited.

She must have read...

Leipzig Connection by Paolo Lioni or something similar. Haven't fact-checked it, but the book provided a unique history of education in the age of behavioral psychology and Rockefeller philanthropy. I would bet that this is going to be her focus.

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The Fringe

Are Individuals... like everyone else.
In fact the largest group on earth is made up of individuals. Ron Paul fights for the individual, so it is no wonder that they are drawn to him... as a group... of individuals. We are all different no matter what group we may or may not choose to embrace and name ourselves after.
For me I am a member of all groups and none, I belong to the IFL group.. The Individual For Liberty. If you also belong the that group, I think that's great...
I frankly don't care what other groups you may be part of; Lizard Peeps or Niburu, Aztec Calender,Anti FED, NORML, Gay, Black, Female, Male, any race, any color, any sexual orientation, chem trails watcher, 911,GMO Exposer, Prepper, Bit Coin, Patriots, Rebels, Gold and Silver freaks,Agenda 21 folk, HARRP Heads, TSA Haters, Occupiers, Radicals, Hippies, Gun Folk, Raw Food Folk, Property Rights Groups, Anti Tax Groups, Tea Parties,Pro- Life Groups, Small Business, libertarians, librarians, anarchists, anarco-capitalists, Little ole tea totin grandmas, Miltary, Handicapped, Mucisians, Poets, Cops, Writers, conservatives, liberals, Paleo's, White.
It just doesn't matter to me.
Do you love freedom? Do you abhor and abstain from the use of force to achieve your goals? Do you support my rights as highly as your own?
If you do I can understand your attraction to Dr. Paul. We all have a stake in Liberty. We all have something to offer. All. Period.
The only unity we have is for individuals to see that supporting everyone's rights is the only way to support our own.
Bravo to all who support the Liberty of the Individual... the only member of every group.

What good is Freedom of the press, if the Press will not Press For Freedom? - UR


Ask not what your government can do for the people, ask what can the people do for the people. - UR

... one more ...

I just wanted to say... permaculture! Us permaculture wackos like to be part of the fringe party. We are all in good company anyhow.